(CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 41: Will the Rebers Continue their B&B for Child Predators After the Trial?

[QuiverFullOfCondoms]

26 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

The problem is in JB thinking it’s all his money. The kids worked, many of them all their lives, for that money. In the CO years they did 99.9% of the work. In modern day America, even in the TV world, neither kids nor young ADULTS work so that their parents can take and lord over the profits. There absolutely need to be laws that protect the assets and educational/working hours of kids participating in reality TV.

Ding ding ding 🛎 THIS! 
The older Duggars basically grew up being filmed for reality tv and received nothing in return. Each should have a well funded trust or bank account for their hard work.

Instead, they ought to be grateful for a place to sleep and food in the TTH. And an ultra low budget wedding and barely habitable shack when that time comes.

[SongRed7]

I always assumed Jed was testifying for the defense, however, i wonder if the prosecution may be calling him to corroborate that Josh was alone on the car lot during the times in question.  Records already show that there were no other employees working on the lot at the time and it's been alleged that Jed sometimes helped out. We know he doesn't have an alibi defense, but since Jed has knowledge of the car lot, maybe they are calling him to verify some other evidence. 

If that's the case, at best I think he's a reluctant witness for the prosecution. 

[Jinderella]

3 minutes ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

Ding ding ding 🛎 THIS! 
The older Duggars basically grew up being filmed for reality tv and received nothing in return. Each should have a well funded trust or bank account for their hard work.

Instead, they ought to be grateful for a place to sleep and food in the TTH. And an ultra low budget wedding and barely habitable shack when that time comes.

I agree! Problem is, I think JB loves his money almost as much as his poition of power and at least as much as his children. I don't see him investing a hugh amount in supporting Anna and the M's... 

I'm looking for the resentment that will bring Anna to reevaluate her position in live. Will it be the lack of support in the court room or a year in the TTH on "goodwill"? 

[MayMay1123]

Knowing what we know now, does anyone believe Danica was telling the truth years ago? I don't remember exactly what Josh's alibi was, someone saying he was somewhere else... but was the alibi something that was airtight? Or could it have been someone was paid to lie? I always believed her. 

[Lovebug]

23 minutes ago, Jinderella said:

Jed may be testifying for the defense, and if that's the case, I hope he doesn't get any support at all. But fingers crossed I'm judging him wrong. 

Parents that don't support their daughter when she is testifying about her abuse are no parents. A financial disagreement shouldn't matter. 

I believe Jed is on the Prosecution’s witness list. If I remember correctly, the defense has only 4 witnesses and no family testimony. This could be wrong, but I believe that is what I’ve read.

[Mama Mia]

10 minutes ago, lilwriter85 said:

I was wondering about this last week in the event Josh is convicted. She has 7 kids and IIRC, the only time she ever worked was the periods when she said was taking care of the books for the car lot. JB and Michelle may not want to be on the hook for having to completely support 8 other people for several years. 

I wonder if Anna would seek help from non-profits that aid spouses and children of inmates even if Josh is convicted or would she be too proud or embarrassed to get help from the organizations. Or, maybe she would move to Florida to be be near or with her parents.

Another thing I wonder about is if JB would financially support Josh via commissary deposits if ends in prison. I can picture Joshy calling or writing JB to buy him a TV for his cell or one of those JPay tablets which are allowed in some federal and state prisons. I can picture cheapskate Jim Bob immediately bitching about the prices prison commissary charge for TV, tablets, music players, snacks, extra clothes etc. 

Everyone should be bitching about the prices of prison commissary and communications. It’s a horribly over-priced system that absolutely leads to just further abuse and power due to $$$. JB is wealthy, and Josh’s crimes are awful, but he’ll be able make all the calls he likes and fill up on all the honey buns and ramen he wants. And if his family cuts off his supply he’ll wrangle some deluded groupie into keeping him stocked up, 

[Hera]

7 minutes ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

Ding ding ding 🛎 THIS! 
The older Duggars basically grew up being filmed for reality tv and received nothing in return. Each should have a well funded trust or bank account for their hard work.

Instead, they ought to be grateful for a place to sleep and food in the TTH. And an ultra low budget wedding and barely habitable shack when that time comes.

We can add financial abuse to the litany of abuses these godly parents have floated on their kids. Jim Bob and Michelle will support Anna. She may have to be the de facto housekeeper or something, but she and the kids will have a place to live, clothes to wear and food to eat.  They’re all about PR and control, and money is how the Duggars control their theoretically could leave anytime adult offspring and their spouses. Hence why asking for your fair share is worse than being a pedophile to them. 

[Antimony]

10 minutes ago, Lovebug said:

I believe Jed is on the Prosecution’s witness list. If I remember correctly, the defense has only 4 witnesses and no family testimony. This could be wrong, but I believe that is what I’ve read.

McCandless reported that the defense has four, one of which "has knowledge of the car lot" but it's unclear to me if that's Caleb or Jed(!). I think the Defense called Caleb but nobodys 100% sure - that's just my lean. 

[3KidsAndStopped]

Apologies if this has already been posted over the weekend. Some details about the cellmate of Josh have been revealed. Daily Mail for source if anyone wants to read about him. 

[FleeJanaFree]

Jed doesn’t necessary have to be pro-either side regardless of whether the defense or prosecution have called on him.They may just be asking can you confirm x person was here that day, did employees know this password,  etc. he may not have an ax to grind. I’m thinking of Bailey in greys anatomy during Sofia’s custody battle. She put both parents in good light to the judge. 
 

I think Jill’s testimony will be much more interesting to watch.
 

we’ll know soon. 🤞🏼

[FiveAcres]

33 minutes ago, lilwriter85 said:

Another thing I wonder about is if JB would financially support Josh via commissary deposits if ends in prison. I can picture Joshy calling or writing JB to buy him a TV for his cell or one of those JPay tablets which are allowed in some federal and state prisons. I can picture cheapskate Jim Bob immediately bitching about the prices prison commissary charge for TV, tablets, music players, snacks, extra clothes etc. 

From the little I know about, prison commissary charges are predatory with an insane markup. Even with my distaste for creepy Jim Bob and Josh, I don't like it. Years of boredom with no control over your life is punishment enough, without having a few creature comforts from your family.  

[Alisamer]

2 hours ago, Jinderella said:

I don't see him handing over his money very easy at all. 

 

56 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

The problem is in JB thinking it’s all his money. 

Totally agree. When they were living on Jim Bob's money, they were in a tiny rental house, buying literally everything used, and getting help from others because they were barely getting by.

The TLC money? That's the kids' money. They did nearly all of the "work" to earn it, and are the ones who grew up on film without any chance to consent. Jim Bob and Michelle should have only gotten a fraction of it, and the rest should have gone into trust for the children. As soon as they were old enough, TLC should have made individual contracts with each kidult. 

It's a little ironic that they deplore porn and sex workers, when the majority of Jim Bob's contribution to the TLC series amounted to knocking up Michelle. 

[Mama Mia]

2 hours ago, Jinderella said:

JB didn't want to pay for Samuel's birth, despite knowing Derick would love to spill all the beans. I don't see him doing more for Anna than offer her and the M's a (shared) bed in the TTH and use of the pantry. Anna could take up laundry duty, the in house cleaning lady. I don't see JB doing free money, especially after the negative press and loss of TLC Josh put him through. 

I always wonder how the supporting of JB's offspring works after the gift of a house at marriage, I don't see him handing over his money very easy at all. Do the married kids have to ask every month? Do they need to provide evidence of not making it on their own? Does JB judge how much they spent? Does he invent jobs to let them earn the money? 

I think they will keep Anna and the kids at the guest house. Their own kids at home are all pre-teens/ teens/young adults. Anna’s are newborns to 12. And there are 7 of them. Mostly very little. I would bet that JB and Michelle will be happy to have the little kids close enough to be around all the time - but also far enough for it to not be ALL the time. 
Although by everything we’ve seen so far, it’s entirely possible Anna will default more and more to letting the grandparents take over while she visits the ogre. 
 

It’s hard to tell how much support Josh even has right now. On the one hand the family has been throwing parties and -mostly- not publicly trashing him. On the other, I haven’t heard any of them proclaim his innocence. Even JB hasn’t come outright and said that. He minimized. He’s throwing a ton of $$ at this. He’s justifying his parenting. He’s blaming cancel culture for blaming his family. But he’s never said “there’s no way Josh did this. He’s innocent. “ nothing even close.

And it was very interesting that even the try-hardest of try-hards — Momma Spivey— talked about being there to support and help Anna. Not Josh. Not Josh and Anna. Just Anna. 

[Alisamer]

Just now, FiveAcres said:

From the little I know about, prison commissary charges are predatory with an insane markup. Even with my distaste for creepy Jim Bob and Josh, I don't like it. Years of boredom with no control over your life is punishment enough, without having a few creature comforts from your family.  

Forget creature comforts, how about just everyday things others take for granted?

I remember at one point there being some issue (might have been jail, not prison) where my co-worker's son didn't have underwear and they were trying to send him some, and it was like a week long ordeal. Like, prison is supposed to be punishment, but milking inmate's families for money is deplorable.

2 minutes ago, Mama Mia said:

I think they will keep Anna and the kids at the guest house. Their own kids at home are all pre-teens/ teens/young adults. Anna’s are newborns to 12. And there are 7 of them. Mostly very little. I would bet that JB and Michelle will be happy to have the little kids close enough to be around all the time - but also far enough for it to not be ALL the time. 

I don't know about JB, but Michelle would probably happily take each baby. Until it's six months or so, then she'll hand it off to whoever. 

Michelle is all about the babies. I think kids were just a necessary inconvenience to her, a consequence of having babies. Once they were old enough to start getting mobile, she's ready for another newborn. 

I still think JB should have just bought her a reborn doll and got a vasectomy. But that might only get a short TLC special, not a series.

[imokit]

The trial should be happening now right?  There haven't been the normal going to court photos yet.

[OrchidBlossom]

17 minutes ago, 3KidsAndStopped said:

Apologies if this has already been posted over the weekend. Some details about the cellmate of Josh have been revealed. Daily Mail for source if anyone wants to read about him. 

Source? I can't find it

[Idlewild]

JB believes his own hype that it’s his ministry and influence that drew the TV viewers. Their USP was a load of kids- the demographic of their viewers were people who liked seeing babies, families and later weddings. The rest was just filler. 

[QuiverFullOfCondoms]

2 minutes ago, imokit said:

The trial should be happening now right?  There haven't been the normal going to court photos yet.

The shit show is supposed to start right now.

[Emma]

Prisoners are given photocopies of letters that are written to them because some people soak the paper in drugs as a way of getting drugs to people in prison. Some of the ridiculous rules are to prevent illegal stuff from being smuggled in. That is why you can’t send books yourself, they must come directly from the publisher. Probably why it took that week to send underwear. 

[nokidsmom]

5 minutes ago, Mama Mia said:

It’s hard to tell how much support Josh even has right now. On the one hand the family has been throwing parties and -mostly- not publicly trashing him. On the other, I haven’t heard any of them proclaim his innocence. Even JB hasn’t come outright and said that. He minimized. He’s throwing a ton of $$ at this. He’s justifying his parenting. He’s blaming cancel culture for blaming his family. But he’s never said “there’s no way Josh did this. He’s innocent. “ nothing even close.

And it was very interesting that even the try-hardest of try-hards — Momma Spivey— talked about being there to support and help Anna. Not Josh. Not Josh and Anna. Just Anna. 

I noticed this too.   That there have been no statements of innocence or saying anything critical about him.   They seem to have been carrying on as normal and the most has been JB downplaying things or shifting blame which is not surprising.   Very hard to read where they stand on Josh.  

With Momma Spivey being there for Anna, and seeing Derick sitting with / near Anna, it may be that the support is being thrown more Anna's way more than towards Josh.    Of course, no one is going to say that outright but that's the feeling I am getting from this.    

[theotherelise]

7 minutes ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

The shit show is supposed to start right now.

I’m in central time like AR and the trial was supposed to start an hour ago at 8:30am. 

[Four is Enough]

4 minutes ago, Emma said:

. Some of the ridiculous rules are to prevent illegal stuff from being smuggled in. That is why you can’t send books yourself, they must come directly from the publisher. Probably why it took that week to send underwear. 

This. My son couldn't even receive a card for his birthday, especially with glitter, in case there was some drug powder in it. Books had to come sealed in plastic from the publisher. No gifts could be sent. We could only put money on his commissary account. From there, he had to buy soap, toothpaste, deodorant, socks, coffee, underwear, sweatshirts, snacks...

Indigent inmates did get an allotment for soap, toothpaste/brush, etc, but they were super cheap.

[molecule]

4 minutes ago, Emma said:

Prisoners are given photocopies of letters that are written to them because some people soak the paper in drugs as a way of getting drugs to people in prison. Some of the ridiculous rules are to prevent illegal stuff from being smuggled in. 

While I understand the reasoning behind this, it removes one of the few things that can give prisoners a physical connection to their families. It matters to be able to hold something that has been touched by your loved one. 

My son is in a work release facility so has a bit more freedom than if he were in county jail or state prison. Even so, those hand written letters mean a lot to him and I am glad his county hasn't made the switch to scanned or copied mail. 

[nokidsmom]

Just now, theotherelise said:

I’m in central time like AR and the trial was supposed to start an hour ago at 8:30am. 

Same here and have been watching for news updates over the last hour.  Nothing yet.

[Alisamer]

1 minute ago, nokidsmom said:

With Momma Spivey being there for Anna, and seeing Derick sitting with / near Anna, it may be that the support is being thrown more Anna's way more than towards Josh.    Of course, no one is going to say that outright but that's the feeling I am getting from this.    

As it should be, IMO. I mean, if it was JUST her I'd say "girl, you knew ages ago what he was, dump him, take whatever you can, get a job, and move on."

But it's not just Anna, there are 7 kids involved including a newborn. Supporting Anna at this point is supporting the kids. Chances are they are going to lose their dad for several years, they don't need mom collapsing. 

Since it's federal, he could be sent to prison anywhere in the US. And no guarantee he'll be in the same place for ages, they can move prisoners around like furniture whenever they need to make room somewhere. It'll be telling, if they put him out of state, to see if Anna moves to be close to him.