[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh&Anna 27:How Many Robocalls Did Michelle Make to Warn People about Her Son

[Browneyed Girl]

1 minute ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

When those M kids are old enough to google their dad there are thousands of memes about him being an incestuous child rapist.  The least the Keller's can do is not give them one more thing to feel betrayed over as adults.

I wish I could believe that’s what will happen. But I fully believe it won’t. They might not offer to babysit him if he’s bonded out but there is no way that they are going to “let” their daughter get a divorce even for this.

Every adult (BoobChelle and yes Anna’s parents) deserves to rot every single one of them except for the children they are the innocent victims in this.  They knew they KNEW he was a danger to those precious babies and decided that they could just look the other way.

[JoiseyGoil]

1 hour ago, Mama Mia said:

They could also have JB (or Michelle) - move into one of their many houses with Josh temporarily to act as custodian. If I were them I’d have JB do it as he could exert the most control. 

I noticed in the Judge’s statement that she said “unsupervised visits by children” . Which means they might allow supervised visits. I don’t know if the custodian also acts as supervisor in that case, or if they hire someone, or a social worker is present.  I’ve seen several different arrangements for this, but generally with something this high-risk to kids it involves a paid and trained person sitting nearby while the parent and child(ren) play/visit for an hour or two in a neutral setting. Another family member - probably Anna - might be present too. But I’d be surprised if they let just family be the supervisor at this point.

I suppose the degree of restrictions the judge imposes, to the extent she has flexibility, might depend on if there are 1 or 2 csa images mixed in with 5,000 regular porn videos - or the other way around. 

What are the odds that JB becomes the custodian and he recruits JD and the Howlers to beat Josh up? Would that likely end in assault charges or would Josh not report it? 

[luv2laugh]

It bothers me that TLC doesn't seem to be taking a strong stance. They've always been exploitative but it's gross to think of them attempting to profit off this sort of family trauma.

Edited May 2, 2021 by luv2laugh

[SorenaJ]

If Josh gets convicted, would he lose custody over the kids, or would he still have a say in decisions like medical treatment, education etc.? 

[JenniferJuniper]

He'll have to surrender his passport and I'd be surprised if he'd be allowed to live in Florida awaiting trial, but don't claim to know for sure.  Boob will find someone with no minors in the household to babysit him.

As for Anna, this is of course very different from cheating and "normal" porn.  I've known plenty of women who have stayed through that.  But a husband with a nearly 20 year attraction to pre-pubescent children when you have so many kids in the home?  I get that her knee jerk response will be to stay, but if she does, she deserves every bit of shit people throw her way.

Assuming there are no other shoes to drop, he won't be gone too long.  Here's a guy who recently pleaded guilty to one count of Federal charges (which Josh will probably do).   https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdpa/pr/erie-man-pleads-guilty-and-sentenced-prison-possessing-child-pornography   

Three years seems to be the norm for what Josh is charged with.  Using the 85% rule, that could end up being only about 30 months in prison. Their youngest little girl will still be a toddler and two others still pre-pubescent.  If Josh avoids computers (as he'd be wise to do), what's his outlet for his sick urges?

She can't stay with him. I'm sure she doesn't feel like she has financial options, we know what her in-laws will be telling her, and (insert puke emoji) she probably still loves the pig.  But she cannot allow her little kids to live with him.  He needs to be by himself in a van down by the river. 

[FunDieDumDum]

Much of the discourse here is about Anna either divorcing Josh or staying with him - all or nothing, basically. So far it appears she’s taken a “stand by your man” approach, but given the state of shock and disbelief she must be in right now, that’s just a knee-jerk reaction.

If he’s found guilty of knowingly seeking out and viewing CSA material of a child under 12, it’s very likely that even after he’s released from prison his parole conditions would prohibit him from even seeing his kids without supervision, much less living with them.

If that happens, it’d be a while before Anna would even likely be faced with the decision of whether to let him back into the house with her and the kids. But once she is, I could see her saying no to living with him again, yet not be willing to divorce him because “marriage is for eternity”, blah blah.

Didn’t even Zsucifer Anderson once say that while divorce is absolutely forbidden, in extreme cases of danger to herself or her children, that a woman could refuse to live with her husband anymore? Surely a situation like this would qualify, and Anna would permanently separate from Josh but not divorce him? It’s a shitty solution for her, I know, but she’d maybe see that as her only way of protecting her kids and getting away from him while still keeping to her marriage and purity vows (no matter how many times Josh has broken them).

[Idlewild]

If Josh were to be released to a custodian in Arkansas it would be virtually house arrest. I mean he could sit and watch TV all day and eating snacks but he could never go anywhere- he is well known in his state and he would have to be wary of people reacting to him. Plus he couldn’t go anywhere there were children.I am assuming from the bit in the questionnaire about a landline that he would have an ankle tag too.

[luv2laugh]

2 minutes ago, JenniferJuniper said:

He needs to be by himself in a van down by the river. 

Thanks for that. I love Chris Farley.

[Nothing if not critical]

4 minutes ago, FunDieDumDum said:

Didn’t even Zsucifer Anderson once say that while divorce is absolutely forbidden, in extreme cases of danger to herself or her children, that a woman could refuse to live with her husband anymore?

Zsu would solve the problem by having him executed.

[Idlewild]

4 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

It bothers me that TLC doesn't seem to be taking a strong stance. They've always been exploitative but it's gross to think of them attempting to profit off this sort of family trauma.

I think that was a holding statement- or at least I hope it was- while the lawyers go through their paperwork and see if there are any impediments to dumping the lot of them. I always thought TLC underestimated how much people disliked JB and M worming their way back on to the show, even people who were generally fans of the family.

[Cheetah]

33 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Why would this make more sense than him staying in jail?  The M kids have enough emotional trauma for a lifetime already, knowing their other grandparents gave aide and comfort to a predator as well isn't going to help.

Well that's a good point, I was thinking about it more from the perspective of the Kellers still encouraging Anna to stand by Josh and them doing what they can to support their son-in-law (not that they should but I think that they will).  Yes, I think Josh staying in jail is a great idea... I'm just going along with the general group musings on who could possibly take Josh in for now and hadn't seen them suggested yet.  There's also Michelle's siblings but I don't know enough about any of them to know whether they have young kids in the home or whether they'd have any desire to support Josh now.  

[HerNameIsBuffy]

3 minutes ago, Idlewild said:

I think that was a holding statement- or at least I hope it was- while the lawyers go through their paperwork and see if there are any impediments to dumping the lot of them. I always thought TLC underestimated how much people disliked JB and M worming their way back on to the show, even people who were generally fans of the family.

The thing is they wouldn't have underestimated it if people who disliked it took a stand and stopped watching.  Everyone who held their nose in disgust at JB and M but watched anyway is equally responsible for keeping it on the air as those who don't know or care.

They don't care what people think, they care about sponsor dollars. 

[JenniferJuniper]

5 minutes ago, FunDieDumDum said:

Didn’t even Zsucifer Anderson once say that while divorce is absolutely forbidden, in extreme cases of danger to herself or her children, that a woman could refuse to live with her husband anymore? Surely a situation like this would qualify, and Anna would permanently separate from Josh but not divorce him? It’s a shitty solution for her, I know, but she’d maybe see that as her only way of protecting her kids and getting away from him while still keeping to her marriage and purity vows (no matter how many times Josh has broken them).

She'll never divorce him, but she has to conclude that he cannot live with the family.  And she needs to stop having babies with him! 

If he had a tiny shred of decency he'd tell her himself that he needs to live separately.  Or file for divorce himself. He probably has nothing but contempt for anyway.  JB would then probably still support his family, taking Anna under his headship.  Which is kind of the way things are now anyway.  

[Mama Mia]

2 minutes ago, JoiseyGoil said:

What are the odds that JB becomes the custodian and he recruits JD and the Howlers to beat Josh up? Would that likely end in assault charges or would Josh not report it? 

I would be shocked if several of Josh’s brothers and brothers-in-law weren’t needing to be restrained from kicking his ass. You could see the anger and disappointment after the Ashley Madison scandal - when they had just had their family completely ripped open and lives publicly turned upside down by the molestation exposure. And then Josh f$& them all up again. And now, years later, things seem to be rolling along and this asshole blows up their lives AGAIN! And with something that no matter how brainwashed they are - they know is much, much worse? They must be just completely full of rage. 
 

I was recently talking to a family member about this regarding an active drug addict in our family. ( I know, whole discussion on whether this is an addiction etc, but same general principle)  —- they reach a point where their mom or an Auntie or a grandma might still be trying to help them find treatment and take their calls and love them unconditionally (even if they draw the line at giving them $)  — but it’s pretty easy for siblings and friends and everyone else to reach their limit of lies and being ripped off and sucked into chaos - and they are just are done with the bullshit. 

[JenniferJuniper]

1 minute ago, Cheetah said:

Well that's a good point, I was thinking about it more from the perspective of the Kellers still encouraging Anna to stand by Josh and them doing what they can to support their son-in-law (not that they should but I think that they will).  Yes, I think Josh staying in jail is a great idea...

Jail isn't prison and I can't imagine anyone wanting to stay in a holding tank for months.  I saw some pictures of where he is and posted one in the last thread.  He's dying to get out there and there's a good chance he will this week. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

3 minutes ago, Mama Mia said:

I would be shocked if several of Josh’s brothers and brothers-in-law weren’t needing to be restrained from kicking his ass. You could see the anger and disappointment after the Ashley Madison scandal - when they had just had their family completely ripped open and lives publicly turned upside down by the molestation exposure. And then Josh f$& them all up again. And now, years later, things seem to be rolling along and this asshole blows up their lives AGAIN! And with something that no matter how brainwashed they are - they know is much, much worse? They must be just completely full of rage. 
 

I was recently talking to a family member about this regarding an active drug addict in our family. ( I know, whole discussion on whether this is an addiction etc, but same general principle)  —- they reach a point where their mom or an Auntie or a grandma might still be trying to help them find treatment and take their calls and love them unconditionally (even if they draw the line at giving them $)  — but it’s pretty easy for siblings and friends and everyone else to reach their limit of lies and being ripped off and sucked into chaos - and they are just are done with the bullshit. 

Not as easy if those siblings are wholly financially dependent on mom and dad.  

I doubt very much people who have been trained since birth to view even toddlers as sexual, hence the modesty, feel the outrage most normal people would assume.

[FiveAcres]

50 minutes ago, Drala said:

I don't doubt for a second that Josh has a sense of entitlement, but he has experience with facing negative consequences for his behavior, however inappropriate and ineffective those consequences may have been.  Getting his head shaved and being banished to work camp as a teen may have done nothing to address his pathology, but it would have been an unpleasant punishment.  Losing his cushy lobbyist job with FRC and doing time in Jesus jail for his Ashley Madison account also would have been painful. The irrepairable damage to his reputation from his public exposure in 2015 as a child molester--as well as the loss of the 19KAC income opportunity--would have devastated a normal person.

His capacity for magical thinking must be off the charts given the punishment he has already faced for his behavior.  I strongly suspect he has transgressed and gotten away with a lot more than the current incidence with child porn, so yeah, I do think he may have a false sense of security. I hope I'm wrong about the extent of his criminal activity as CSA perpetrator, but I wouldn't be surprised if more charges come out against him.  I doubt all the shoes have dropped where Josh is concerned.

I've been thinking about what you said about Josh and consequences. The whole head shaving thing is weird, because I always thought that was the punishment for a promiscuous woman. But I guess for the macho fundy culture that makes the head shaving even more humiliating if you are supposed to be a manly man. 

Soon after FRC terminated his employment after his incestuous assaults became public, it also became public that he using Ashley Madison in attempt to meet women. He was also allegedly hiring sex workers. I wonder if this wasn't a desperate attempt to find a less criminal way of satisfying his urges. (Content warning:

Spoiler

If he realized that he is only interested in sexual violence against children, then he might have hoped that rough sex with adult women might satisfy that need. 

) The fact even after blowing up his life several times he still continues to seek out CSA materials indicates that his drive for CSA materials is more important to him than anything, including his next breath. 

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by HerNameIsBuffy
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[Chickenbutt]

Thinking about who would take Josh.

Starting with friends. Does Josh have any childless friends? Does Josh have a childless, married friend who's wife won't say Oh hell no! Does Josh even have any friends? Are those friends willing to follow the rules? Would a friend report him for infractions?

Church members? Again are there any church members that are childless? Would older members be willing to give up visits with their grandkids? Report him? 

Lawyer? Again the children is the sticking point. But it happens. Casey Anthony has lived al these years with her attorney. Still does I believe. 

Family? This is a hard one. I think its a terrible burden on any sibling to be tasked with babysitting their older brother, I agree on the imbalance of power. 

Having said all that....I hope he stays in jail. 

As someone else mentioned. I suspect the judge can add or subtract from the questionnaire as she sees fit. She will, almost certainly, limit computer/phone/internet access. Who is willing to give that up for their "friend"? 

[QuiverFullofBooks]

Mike and Suzette Keller might feel that God has been preparing them to help their troubled son-in-law for their whole lives. A prison ministry has a criminal in the family? Of course he’s going to spend his pre-sentencing time with them. It’s easy enough to turn off the internet access, store any guns, and tell the grandkids they can’t visit for a while.

[JenniferJuniper]

12 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Not as easy if those siblings are wholly financially dependent on mom and dad.  

I doubt very much people who have been trained since birth to view even toddlers as sexual, hence the modesty, feel the outrage most normal people would assume.

And all the brothers seem to be such passive wimps.

If I had to pick a sibling must likely to pummel him it would be Jessa. Followed by Josie. 

[Phyllis_Stein]

Earlier, there were comments about how these federal investigations cast a very wide net. In all likelihood, Josh is one of many caught in the same web. 

It was especially interesting to me, because a man in my area in PA was arrested for the same. I did a google search and found several other arrests throughout the country. I'm not following the news for CP cases, so I have no idea if this is usual or indicates a grouping of associated perps that the feds are arresting now.  Examples below

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/montco-man-charged-with-100-counts-of-child-porn-da/ar-BB1ge8x9

https://boston.cbslocal.com/video/5534546-boston-nanny-arrested-on-child-porn-charges/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-charged-child-porn-possession-014700915.html

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[llucie]

3 minutes ago, Chickenbutt said:

Thinking about who would take Josh.

Starting with friends. Does Josh have any childless friends? Does Josh have a childless, married friend who's wife won't say Oh hell no! Does Josh even have any friends? Are those friends willing to follow the rules? Would a friend report him for infractions?

 

What about Tabitha Paine and her husband? if they remaind childless obviously.

[Chickenbutt]

I don't know who Tabitha Paine is. I don't read about most of the families. Maybe someone else can answer that. 

 

[JenniferJuniper]

6 minutes ago, Chickenbutt said:

As someone else mentioned. I suspect the judge can add or subtract from the questionnaire as she sees fit. She will, almost certainly, limit computer/phone/internet access. Who is willing to give that up for their "friend"? 

An older couple in their circle whose kids are gone and who never use the internet anyway.  Boob will find them and compensate them for their trouble.  Josh is still his number 1, I'm sure. 

Since its been so long, I looked up the 17 Kids and Counting JoshNAnna engagement episode.  Boob's gushing about Josh starts at about 1:45.  Gag me.

Spoiler

 

 

[FiveAcres]

5 minutes ago, JenniferJuniper said:

And all the brothers seem to be such passive wimps.

Perhaps because they were blanket trained as babies. If ever there was a reason for an adult to be passive, blanket training would be it. It would seem to be an ideal method of inducing learned helplessness.