Jinjer 52: She and Her Narcissistic, Lazy Husband Are Riding on Coattails

[Expectopatronus]

1 hour ago, PennySycamore said:

@JordynDarby5, back during the 2016 election, I read where one preacher said that if Jesus was running on a platform of the Sermon on the Mount, that he would oppose him.  This atheist was going WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY??  I was completely shocked that a preacher would say that although I knew that many of them were Paul worshippers and totally ignored Jesus.

What??? Did he say why? I’m a Catholic and therefore the wrong kind of Christian according to fundies but I cannot fathom what anyone could  find offensive in the Beatitudes. Years ago, my priest stated that rather than using the Ten Commandments as the basis for examination of conscience/confession one should use the Beatitudes. His argument was anyone can follow a list of « thou shall nots » but true Christian living goes further than that and Jesus’ whole ministry was about the Sermon on the Mount. How can he be a preacher and not get love/concern for others?

[Bobology]

I know nothing of this Sermon on the Mount and you guys are going to make me read it... somewhere.

[finnlassie]

Jinger has really started to rock that republican trophy wife chic look

[seraaa]

On 5/5/2020 at 9:10 AM, ALM7 said:

As most FJ'er are aware, John MacArthur/Master's University/Grace To You, is a very dangerous doctrine.  As an Atheist, I follow and research these various organizations. My philosophy is to know my enemy, so to speak.  I do not have issues with those of faith, only the radical/fundamentalist clothed in sheep clothing.  

The below sermon, from 5/4/20 is exactly why I remain very skeptical of Vuolo. I think there is much to be seen behind the shiny package. As I mentioned, a wolf in sheep clothing.  I suspect Vuolo is a rabid follower of all that is John MacArthur, he just knows how to package it for the public.

:Radio stream of 5/4/20 show: https://www.gty.org/broadcasts/radio/recent

:Full transcript Link of 5/4/20: https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/81-56

:Partial transcript of 5/4/20 under spoiler: My bold

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Now there’s no lack of clarity. Again I say, if you go back to 1 Corinthians 14, that Paul’s words could be mistaken is impossible. “As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches. They’re not permitted to speak. It’s disgraceful for a woman to speak.”

In the face of that - it might be shocking to you to know this - but in a survey conducted in 2017, about eighty percent of Americans are comfortable with a female pastor; sixty-two percent of practicing Christians are open to women pastors’ forty percent of evangelicals are fine with women pastors. In pastoral training, there is a degree, a graduate degree called a Master of Divinity. It’s, generally speaking, a three or four-year degree to prepare you for pastoral ministry. Fifty percent of women enrolled in seminaries, fifty percent of, I should say, M.Div. students in seminaries are women preparing for pastoral ministry. Twenty-five percent of seminary faculties are women; that means you have women faculty members teaching women students to be pastors. Eleven percent of seminary presidents are women; twenty-seven percent of pastors across this country are women. This is an explosion. In 1960, two percent of clergy were women. The women’s movement has basically just erupted in the church. And the last frontier for the movement is the evangelical church, the last frontier to fall victim to the rebellion of feminism along with cultural Marxism.

Perhaps women pastors and women preachers are the most obvious evidence of churches rebelling against the Bible. I can’t think of anything that’s as far-reaching and transcends all denominations as the woman’s rebellion against the Word of God with regard to women preachers. Women who pastor, women who preach in a church are a disgrace, and they openly reflect opposition to the clear command of the Word of God. This is flagrant disobedience. It has been acceptable in our culture, and now acceptable even in the evangelical world.

I read an article this week written by a woman. The title is “Have M.Div., Will Preach.” And this woman writing this article said the article is designed to answer this question: “How does sexism play a role as your congregation works to embrace the pastoral leadership of women?” So if you’re not willing to embrace the pastoral leadership of women, you’re not biblical, you’re sexist.

Why is this such a far-reaching, vast rebellion against the Word of God? Why? Well, the answer comes all the way back in Genesis chapter 3. So turn with me back to Genesis 3, and we’ll see how it all begins.

We all know the story: Adam and Eve created in the garden, innocent. Eve comes out from under the protection of Adam, has an encounter with Satan. She is seduced, deceived; she sins. Adam follows up, sins; the whole human race catapulted into corruption. So the Lord curses the participants in that. The serpent is cursed in chapter 3, verse 13 and 14, and even 15. The man is cursed in verses 17, 18, 19. But the woman is cursed in verse 16, and it’s very important. “To the woman He said,” – this is the curse of the Fall – “‘I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth, in pain you will bring forth children; yet your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.’”

Is pain in childbirth universal? Yeah. Yeah. Every woman who ever has a child has pain. That’s universal. That’s the curse. That’s the first half of it. But the second half is equally universal. “Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

What is that talking about? Is that talking about sexual desire, physical desire? No, because physical desire was there before the Fall, because when God created Adam and Eve, He said, “Be fruitful and” – What? – “and multiply, fill the earth, go have babies.” What leads to babies is desire. There’s nothing wrong with a woman desiring her husband in that way. That is not the point. The point is there’s a curse on the woman, and the curse is that she has a desire toward her husband, and he has to rule over her. If you have a sexual desire for your husband, that doesn’t lead to him ruling over you, that leads to a joining together in an act of love that produces a child. What is this desire of a woman that forces the husband to have to dominate her? This is a curse. This sexual attraction and marital love is not a curse. But whatever this is, it’s a bad thing and it leads to conflict.

Well, the answer comes in chapter 4. This particular phrase is only used twice in the Pentateuch in the Old Testament, and here is a second one. The Lord said to Cain in chapter 4, “Why are you angry?” Cain, you remember, offered an unacceptable sacrifice to God. “Why are you so angry? Why is your face so fallen? If you do well, if you do the right thing, would not your countenance be lifted up? If you had obeyed and offered the right kind of sacrifice, not the fruit of your labors, but an animal sacrifice, you wouldn’t have this issue. And if you do not do well,” – here’s why – “sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.” It’s the exact same expression as in chapter 3. Here it’s “sin desiring to have you, and you must master it.” That is exactly what is meant in chapter 3, verse 16, “Sinful desire to dominate your husband, and he is going to have to exercise rule over you.”

As a result of the Fall, woman bears a curse in two areas. One, and it’s ubiquitous and universal: pain in childbearing. Secondly, a desire, because of her fallen heart, to upset the divine order of authority and submission, and to want to dominate her husband. This is the universal reality in marriage to one degree or another. The woman will desire to control, the man will have to rule over her. That’s as universal as pain in childbearing. It refers to a desire, a sinful desire to control. This is why there is constantly the effort of women to overthrow the authority of their husbands, or the authority of men in the culture.

And obviously, there is a multitude of women in the church trying to overthrow male leadership in the church. That in mind, go back to 1 Corinthians chapter 14, verse 34. “The women are to keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.”

You have to get a grip on yourself because you’re fighting against your own fallenness, and your own fallenness would cause you to want to overthrow the order of your own marriage – authority and submission. You are in the church as women, it says, to keep silent in the churches. “What do you mean, ‘Keep silent’?” Not hard to understand, is it? You don’t say anything.

 

Yup, a friendly facade by Vuolo, as he strives for fame and wealth.  Jinger, we know her story, and that's another subject.  

Ah, I see we're also still pretending "cultural Marxism" is a thing, along with everything else.

Thank you for bringing this over.

Edited May 12, 2020 by seraaa

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

1 hour ago, finnlassie said:

Jinger has really started to rock that republican trophy wife chic look

That vapid empty headed empty eyed look that they all have. I assume it is how they cope with all the BS. 

[PennySycamore]

@Expectopatronus, I don't know why this "pastor" said that crap back in 2016, but I knew it was completely crazy bullshit.  And I really have no idea who he was.

Btw, I love your forum name!

[seraaa]

On 5/6/2020 at 4:37 AM, Jasmar said:

Even when I was fundie-lite, I loathed John MacArthur. I listened to a sermon on the radio one day where he was expounding on how most depression and anxiety were sin issues, and how the vast majority of people who take meds don’t need them. I went home and wrote out an entire rebuttal, using the Bible to support my case.

I never really fit in, hehe.

Isn't everything a 'sin issue' due to the fallen state of the world, or whatever? 

Which, fine, if that is your understanding of life and the world, but it's not a reason to deny people medication which helps them!

[haroldtheyrefundies]

On 5/6/2020 at 1:56 AM, Melissa1977 said:

 Jesus was ALL about social justice. That many, if not most, of the Christian leaders deny that, and even fight that idea, makes me wonder why don't they pick another historical person to worship.

 

During the past few years I've been thinking how if Jesus ran for president he would run on a platform similar to Bernie Sanders's platform/campaign and would have similar polices as Sanders. And Christians wouldn't vote for him for a lot of reasons - but manly because he'll be a Democrat Socialist and the exact opposite of the Jesus that they have made up in their head. 

[Expectopatronus]

2 hours ago, haroldtheyrefundies said:

During the past few years I've been thinking how if Jesus ran for president he would run on a platform similar to Bernie Sanders's platform/campaign and would have similar polices as Sanders. And Christians wouldn't vote for him for a lot of reasons - but manly because he'll be a Democrat Socialist and the exact opposite of the Jesus that they have made up in their head. 
 

Edited May 13, 2020 by Expectopatronus
For some weird reason, my response didn’t appear. I’m sure that it’s something I did wrong or an error from my IPad.

[Expectopatronus]

Sadly, it would be a non-issue; the fundies fight tooth and nail to keep refugees out and Jesus was a refugee. He would have died as a toddler. 
They would also have heart attacks at the idea of a Jewish man from a tiny community running for the most powerful position in North America. You are 100% right though; the sharing of resources, dining and keeping company with women, children, the marginalized and the despised would cause many fundies to label him as « unsaved » and « evil ». It’s kinda entertaining to imagine their reactions.

Years ago, in one of his rants, Rick Mercier commented that there must have been another Son of God that he didn’t know about; one who liked to go around killing people because everyone who says that they are a follower of the Son of God is pro-death penalty. That quote still makes me snicker because of how accurate it is. Nearly every politician that claims to be a devote Christian also is a fervent supporter of the death penalty. The exact opposite of Jesus’ message of love and forgiveness. 

[JordynDarby5]

3 hours ago, Expectopatronus said:

Sadly, it would be a non-issue; the fundies fight tooth and nail to keep refugees out and Jesus was a refugee. He would have died as a toddler. 
They would also have heart attacks at the idea of a Jewish man from a tiny community running for the most powerful position in North America. You are 100% right though; the sharing of resources, dining and keeping company with women, children, the marginalized and the despised would cause many fundies to label him as « unsaved » and « evil ». It’s kinda entertaining to imagine their reactions.

Years ago, in one of his rants, Rick Mercier commented that there must have been another Son of God that he didn’t know about; one who liked to go around killing people because everyone who says that they are a follower of the Son of God is pro-death penalty. That quote still makes me snicker because of how accurate it is. Nearly every politician that claims to be a devote Christian also is a fervent supporter of the death penalty. The exact opposite of Jesus’ message of love and forgiveness. 

That's a good one. Its so very true. I've always loved Gandhi's quote too. "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. A man who was completely innocent, offered himself as a sacrifice for the good of others, including his enemies, and became the ransom of the world." And of course. "If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian."

[finnlassie]

15 hours ago, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

That vapid empty headed empty eyed look that they all have. I assume it is how they cope with all the BS. 

Her transformation towards this look definitely started to bloom after dying her hair blonde. *cue conspiracy theories about republican women with their fake blonde hair*

[Audrey2]

On 5/12/2020 at 12:21 PM, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

That vapid empty headed empty eyed look that they all have. I assume it is how they cope with all the BS. 

Well of course. Those Republican men that have the Republican Barbie wife don't want their wives to be smarter than they are.

(Notice I compared Republican men with a certain type of wife, not all Republicans.)

[Idlewild]

I’ve just seen Jeremy’s ‘Abbey Road’ homage photo.

Thoughts- I bet Jinger had no idea why they were posing on a crossing like that and this family seems to have a stockpile of professionally done photos! 

[Karma]

Yes, they seem to get a bunch taken on the same day then dribble them out one by one.  There’s been several recently including the crossing photo where they’re wearing the same clothes. 

[finnlassie]

5 hours ago, Idlewild said:

I’ve just seen Jeremy’s ‘Abbey Road’ homage photo.

Thoughts- I bet Jinger had no idea why they were posing on a crossing like that and this family seems to have a stockpile of professionally done photos! 

They definitely take loads of pictures and give bits and bits. But, I would put my money on Jeremy introducing Jinger to The Beatles. But you know. The stuff before the Devil's Grass really kicked in.

[DarkAnts]

3 hours ago, Karma said:

Yes, they seem to get a bunch taken on the same day then dribble them out one by one.  There’s been several recently including the crossing photo where they’re wearing the same clothes. 

Many Instagram influences do it that way. 

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[AussieKrissy]

8 hours ago, Idlewild said:

I’ve just seen Jeremy’s ‘Abbey Road’ homage photo.

Thoughts- I bet Jinger had no idea why they were posing on a crossing like that and this family seems to have a stockpile of professionally done photos! 

I‘ thought the same thing. Who the duck follows them around to take all these bloody pics? 

[Johannah]

I think they will 100% send their kids to school, maybe even public school. Jeremy’s recent Instagram posts make reference to letting felicity explore her world, how good she is at soccer, quoting drew barrymore, and secular alt rock lyrics from middle school. I just can’t imagine them homeschooling. And they’re currently limiting their family size, whether intentionally or not, but I would guess it’s intentional. Jeremy clearly rules the roost and he wants to be seen as a mainstream Christian, not a frumper-wearing, homeschooling, quiverfull, fundie family. They might even send Felicity to preschool!

[mstee]

I don’t doubt that they may send Felicity to school or maybe even allow her to play sports. But I think that Jeremy will always believe that Felicity cannot be a pastor because she is a woman and that she’ll eventually need a man to marry to be her headship. I think he loves Jinger and Felicity but is happy to be the one in charge and I’m sure that he believes that Felicity will need that guidance from a husband as well. And if she were to not marry or be gay? Well that would be very hard for Felicity with a father like Jeremy. It’s nice to see the Duggar adult kids do things a little differently but the core of the Duggar beliefs seem to stick. Unfortunate. 

[VBOY9977]

Did anyone see Jinger’s post about an $8000 giveaway? She posted it and deleted it but the secondary account she created for it is still up (@jgiftingtoyou) and has over 15K followers. She wasn’t hacked because the post was a video where she’s talking about it. The video is still on her secondary account’s stories.

Seems like she’s doing it to gain followers but looks really fishy, and i wonder why she deleted the post but not the other account. 
 

Spoiler

 

 

Edited May 18, 2020 by VBOY9977

[PennySycamore]

@VBOY9977,  that BS just seems like a new version of the old chain mail crap.

[MaryOrMartha]

I saw the video and wondered if I had missed a special announcement, so I went back through her posts and I was very shocked there hasn't been one yet. I've noticed that people often have a "tell" when they are expecting. I am included in that. My face changes fairly quickly.

Apologies if this sort of speculation is not allowed.

[AmericanRose]

That looks really scammy.

[candygirl200413]

So those type of contests, they usually end up going to a "low-tier" influencer, the NYT had a really great article on it that I can edit the post once I find it.