Lori Alexander 46: She Sure Is Highly Edumacated

[Free Jana Duggar]

2 hours ago, Carol said:

    Or, even more importantly, god could have come to earth himself and died his own horrible death.  So much for a loving father.

Part snark and absolute truth.  No wonder I don't believe in this god.

Many Christians believe in the Trinity, which says Jesus was God in human form. So by that logic, God did come and die himself. 

I'm a Christian who beleives that Jesus died for my sins, but yeah, I've questioned why God didn't come up with another solution. 

[desertvixen]

@polecat, have to agree with giving it to "Michael" - five kids under 8 does not make a sexless marriage.

And I've said it before, but I just don't understand what is so difficult about the connection between a partner who helps and more sex.  My stepfather has always been a guy who worked hard, and then came home and helped Mom out with everything.  Not in order to get laid but because that's what partners DO.

[Carol]

FreeJanaDuggar, The first thing that came to mind after reading your response is, "So, doesn't this make you question everything about god?".  I do not mean that disrespectfully because I've always been told there is mystery in all of this and we just have to accept it.  However, then I move on to, "there is no mystery, don't get caught up in that.  It's a trap because no one can come up with a reasonable explanation that doesn't involve a mystery person".

I don't know that I believe 100% that there is no god.  I think there is some unifying force but I don't know or understand what it is.  The truth is that science has an explanation for our existence that doesn't have the holes in it that god does.  And, IMO, if I were using common sense...god was made in man's image, by man, to control people.

I've probably said enough.

[Koala]

Let the Martyr Olympics begin...

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My husband and I were made fun of for going away for a weekend or Anniversary trip. We found that these people must be jealous of our relationship, because they could do the same thing. I even had elderly people have an issue with us going away. They left us know that what do you need to do that for! 

Nope.  Sorry.  Don't believe it.  

Then there's this "godly lady" stopping by to gossip about her "friend":

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A few months ago my friend told me it had been 8 weeks since she made love to her husband. I told her to knock it off! You can’t deprive your man and then get mad if he cheats! Don’t drive him there!

Lori?  She loved it, of course:

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Yes, good for you for rebuking your friend, Katie. We need to be doing this with our sisters-in-Christ whenever they speak evil or complain about their husbands or say that they don’t want sex. Someone needs to be speaking truth to them.

And good for me for calling you both the gossips that 1 Timothy warns us about.  

50 minutes ago, Free Jana Duggar said:

Many Christians believe in the Trinity, which says Jesus was God in human form. So by that logic, God did come and die himself. 

I'm a Christian who beleives that Jesus died for my sins, but yeah, I've questioned why God didn't come up with another solution. 

Another interesting question- What was the problem? (Hell).  Who created it? (God)  Why would God create a problem for himself to solve? (No answer).  How does punishing yourself/also your son cover the sins of others?  (It doesn't.)

Or this- Would a just judge, be satisfied punishing an innocent person?

Example- Man robs a bank.  His (totally innocent) neighbor steps forward and agrees to take his punishment.  Will a just God (or a reasonable person) be satisfied by this?

[EowynW]

https://brianzahnd.com/2014/04/dying-sins-work/

Brian's preaching really changed my mind about many things. 

 

[older than allosaurs]

1 hour ago, EowynW said:

https://brianzahnd.com/2014/04/dying-sins-work/

Brian's preaching really changed my mind about many things. 

 

I like his reasoning, and if I felt called to see Jesus as my savior, which I don't, I think this would help me think through the sacrifice in a way I could understand and relate to. Thanks.

[Joyce]

It used to be confusing to me why God would create a hell or allow Jesus to die on a cross when everyone could just be in heaven. Then I read a parable of the little soul in the book Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch.

In the parable, every soul was part of the light, just like heaven. But one little soul wanted to experience forgiveness, but this was impossible because there was no one to forgive. To help the little soul, a friendly soul volunteered to cause harm to the little soul in the next life so that the little soul could forgive. This little soul was implied to be Jesus.

Of course, it's just a parable or a story to explain what may or may not be true. But it's humbling to believe that everybody and everything are one with God, and we are all together in this world for a purpose. Even Lori and Ken. Under the spoiler is the text of the parable of the little soul.

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There once was a little soul who knew itself to be the light.  This  was a new soul, and so, anxious for experience. "I am the light,"  it said. "I am the light." Yet all the knowing of it and all the saying of it could not substitute for the experience of it. And in the realm from which this soul emerged, there was nothing but the light.

Every soul was grand, every soul was magnificent, and every soul shone with the brilliance of MY awesome light. And so the little soul in question was as a candle in the sun. In the midst of the grandest light- of which it was a part- it could not see itself, nor experience itself as Who and What it Really Is.

Now it came to pass, that the little soul yearned and yearned to know itself. And so great was its yearning that "I" one day said, "Do you know little one, what you must do to satisfy this yearning of yours?" "Oh what, God? what? I'll do anything!? The little soul said.

"You must separate yourself from the rest of us," I answered, "and then you must call upon yourself the darkness."

"You may choose to be any Part of God you wish to be," I said to the little soul.

"You are the Absolute Divinity, experiencing Itself. What Aspect of Divinity do you now wish to experience as you?"

"You mean I have a choice," ask the little soul.

I answered, "Yes." You may choose to experience any Aspect of Divinity in, as, and through you."

"Okay," said the little soul, then I choose forgiveness. I want to experience my Self as that Aspect of God called Complete Forgiveness."

Well, this created a little challenge, as you can imagine. 

There was no one to forgive. All I have created is Perfection and Love

"No one to forgive?" asked the Little Soul, somewhat incredulously.

"No one," I repeated. "Look around you. Do you see any souls less perfect, less wonderful than you?"

As the Little soul twirled around, and was surprised to see himself surrounded by all the souls in heaven. They came from far and wide throughout the Kingdom, because they had heard the little soul was having an extraordinary conversation with God.

"I see none less perfect than I," the Little Soul exclaimed." Who then, shall I have to forgive?"

Just then another soul stepped forward from the crowd. "You may forgive me," said the Friendly Soul.

"For what?" the little soul asked.

"I will come onto your next physical lifetime and do something for you to forgive," replied the Friendly Soul.

"But what? What could you, a being of such Perfect Light, do to  make me forgive you?" the Little Soul wanted to know.

"Oh," smiled the Friendly Soul, I'm sure we can think of something."

"But why would you want to do this?" The Little Soul could not figure out why a being of such perfection would want to slow down its vibration so much that it could actually do something "bad."

"Simple," the Friendly Soul explained," I would do it because I love you. You want to experience your Self as Forgiving, don't you? Besides, you have done the same for me."

"I have?" asked the Little Soul.

"Of course. Don't you remember? We've been All Of It, you and I.

 We've been the Up and the Down of it, and the Left and Right of it.

 We've been the Here and Now of it, and the Now and Then of it.

 We've  been the Big and Small of it, the Male and Female of it, the Good and Bad of it. We've been the All of it.

"And we've done it by agreement, so that each of us might experience ourselves as The Grandest Part of God. For we have understood that.....

"In the absence of that which You Are Not, that Which You Are, is NOT.

"In the absence of 'cold,' you cannot be 'warm.' In the absence of 'sad,' you cannot be 'happy,' without a thing called 'evil,' the experience you call 'good' cannot exist.

If you choose to be a thing, something or someone opposite to that has to show up somewhere in your universe to make that possible."

The Friendly Soul then explained that those people are God's Special Angels, and these conditions God's Gifts.

"I ask only one thing in return, " the Friendly Soul declared.

"Anything! Anything," the Little Soul cried. He was excited now to know that he could experience every Divine Aspect of God. He understood, now The Plan.

"In the moment that I strike you and smite you," said the Friendly Soul, " in the moment that I do the worst to you that you could ever  imagine---in that self-same moment....remember Who I Really Am."

"Oh, I won't forget!" promised the Little Soul. "I will see you in the perfection with which I hold you now, and I will remember Who You Are, always."

"What is this darkness, O' Holy One?" the little soul ask.

"That which you are not," I replied, and the soul understood.

So this the soul did, removing itself from the All, yea, going even onto another realm.

And in this realm the soul had the power to call onto its experience all sorts of darkness. And this it did.

Yet in the midst of all the darkness did it cry out:

"Father, Father, why hast Thou forsaken me?" Even as have you in your blackest times. Yet I have never forsaken you, but stand by you always, ready to remind you of Who You Really Are; ready, always ready, to call you home.

Therefore, be a light unto the darkness, and curse it not.

And forget not Who You Are in the moment of your encirclement by that which you are not. But do you praise to the creation, even as you seek to change it.

And know that what you do in the time of your greatest trial can be your greatest triumph. For the experience you create is a statement of Who You Are..... and Who You Want To Be....

 

[IntrinsicallyDisordered]

We're frequently told we are as small children to God, that is why we cannot fathom him or his ways, why there are so many mysteries, why what looks like abject cruelty to us is really great love when God does it.  Why it hurts him more than us when we disobey and he, by the rules he has created, must punish us.

A parent that has a small child that is warm and safe and exists only in light and love, who purposefully exposes that small child with its imperfect knowledge and experience and understanding, to cold and violence and fear, is a monster.  Maybe Lori speaks for God after all.

That parable isn't as gross as the idea of free will existing because otherwise we'd be robots or something and who wants robots worshipping them (not to mention the absence of free will for the victims of those who exercise theirs to do harm) but it makes me queasy nonetheless.

[squiddysquid]

My university just shared this link on their fb:

Science or Snake Oil: what is black salve and why do people think it can cure cancer?

In the 1930s-50s Harry Hoxley, a self-proclaimed cancer specialist, sold salve to treat a variety of internal and external cancers in clinics in America. By the end of the 1950s, due to a lack of scientific evidence and concerns by medical authorities, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had prohibited its sale.

In 2012 the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration banned the sale of black salve in Australia due to a lack of evidence for its benefit.

[Grandma D]

All fundi women men should be given the book How to satisfy a Woman every time and have her beg for more. Can you imagine what lots of these woman have to put up with!!! In this day and age. 

[squiddysquid]

There was this 80 year old grandma. She had 3 sons but never had an orgasm. So long after her husband died, she put an ad in the paper (claiming she was 70...) and began to explore her sexuality.

She wrote a book about it.

[EowynW]

3 minutes ago, squiddysquid said:

There was this 80 year old grandma. She had 3 sons but never had an orgasm. So long after her husband died, she put an ad in the paper (claiming she was 70...) and began to explore her sexuality.

She wrote a book about it.

I cannot imagine never having an orgasm.  I have friends in fundie marriages who have never had them. 

[Koala]

Lori may be about to run afoul of Aunt Genny again. 

Today, Lori says:

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My mom didn’t feel loved by her mother. Her mother may well have loved her very much but from the things she said to my mom and the way she treated her, she didn’t feel love from her and has struggled with insecurity her entire life, even at the age of 87 years old. 

The last time Lori called her grandparents into question, Aunt Genny said the following:

Lori replied:

Aunt Genny:

Now watch Lori try to lie her way out of this, in her reply to Aunt Genny:

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I never even referred to your parents in the post. 

Another reader replies:

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It certainly seems like you were referring to your mom (and aunt's) parents when you wrote: 

"My mom was never taught how to love and obey her husband. She didn't have any good role models." 

Lori refusing to address the facts that she has used her blog to insult her family, and now she's lying about it, says:

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Yes, my aunt admitted their mother did not teach or show them submission.

There's a pretty lengthy exchange between Aunt Genny and Lori in the comments of this post:

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/01/my-moms-cold-hard-rock.html

Eventually Ken rides in on the Horse of TRUTH!

[EowynW]

"I felt deeply loved by my mom and am a secure adult."

LMAO liar. 

[squiddysquid]

26 minutes ago, EowynW said:

I cannot imagine never having an orgasm.  I have friends in fundie marriages who have never had them. 

I'm guessing most of them don't know what that is supposed to feel like.

I doubt they talk that openly to their girlfriends or sisters.

[SongRed7]

On 5/27/2018 at 2:50 PM, IntrinsicallyDisordered said:

I would bet she's told her mother her cancer is her own fault.

she essentially did -- from wearing nail polish. She has also said it makes you infertile.  So I guess she blames her daughter as well. 

[Black Aliss]

On 5/27/2018 at 10:16 PM, Hisey said:

If you are talking about many dads, you would say "There are a lot of dads who stay at home but they will burn in hell." Never say,  "There are a lot of dad's who stay at home but they will burn in hell." That is grammatically incorrect. You are using the apostrophe to make something plural and no one does that.

Also factually incorrect, but you'll never change his mind on that. There does exist the remote possibility that Ken would not want to come off as a semi-literate graduate of the SOTDRT.

[Mellowing With Age]

Poverty, Lori simply will never understand. She has lived her entire life without need. Sure, when her and Ken were first married they did not have a lot of money (according to her) but she did have daddy! Daddy who had the ability to step in and help them should the need arise. That is MAJOR! 

I grew up probably lower middle class. We did not have a lot of money for extra's, we had a large garden and canned fruits and veggies to use all year. Our vacations consisted of visiting family in other states. We rarely ate out, rarely slept in a hotel, and for the most part, just stayed home. We made some of our clothes. My mother grew up during the depression and she knew how to stretch a penny. We never wanted for food/housing, but there was not any left over to do a lot of "fun" things.

As an adult, life has had its ups and downs. My first husband and I had money issues due to him being an alcoholic. Neither of us had a college degree, so our jobs were not as high paying as some, think fast food and other low paying jobs. After our divorce, I spent time being homeless (living in my run down car) before I started couch surfing with friends. Life turned around when I remarried. He didn't have much when we got married, but now, we are very comfortable. I will NEVER forget what it felt like to have $5.00 to buy food for my children and I, and telling them I wasn't hungry so that they could eat. That $5.00 had to last me days to a week. I am working on getting a degree, though I am taking my sweet time.

I try very hard to give back to my community. I have been very involved in the past with my local food pantry, and now, am looking at other ways to reach the hurting where I live. I am a huge fan of community gardens for towns, and would love to bring one to where I live. There are grants and such that can be had to help fund them. I know of one state that gave free seeds to people in need so they could start their own gardens. The local farmer's market matched food stamp money so if you had $5.00 on your food stamp card to spend, they would give you $10.00 Some of the local farmers would donate left over produce to the local food pantry. The food pantry also put in their own garden and green house to help supplement fresh veggies in the winter. I love the idea of perimeter gardening for those who might live in town, and live in a single housing unit. 

If Lori truly cared about the health of others she would dedicate her life now to helping those who are less fortunate. This would not go against biblical teachings Luke 6:38 "Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Hebrews 6:10 "God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them." Galatians 6:2 "Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ." Matthew 5:16, " In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven." Matthew 5:42 " Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." Phillipians 2:4 "not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others." Proverbs 19:17 (Lori really needs to read this verse) "Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will reward them for what they have done." Proverbs 22:9 "The generous will themselves be blessed for they share their food with the poor." Romans 12:13 "Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality." Luke 12:33-34 "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 25:44-45 "They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’" James 2:14-17 "What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."

[EowynW]

Last night in the middle of our anniversary dinner, I got a text from my boss saying I no longer had a job. I burst into tears. That good part time job (in a very depressed and grungy part of our state where most jobs full and part time are fast food, hospice workers or overnight gas station attendants)  was our savings builder for buying a home and trying to get a better car. Lori doesn't understand anything. 

[Koala]

I am so sorry @EowynW I hope something even better comes along. 

[Loveday]

I'm sorry, @EowynW. What a horrible way to get news like that!   I hope something better comes up for you right away. 

[polecat]

1 hour ago, EowynW said:

I cannot imagine never having an orgasm.  I have friends in fundie marriages who have never had them. 

Not just fundy marriages -- I am in a group for perimenopausal women, and there is a shocking number of women who have never had orgasms. Not a majority by any stretch, but certainly far more than I'd have ever imagined.

20 minutes ago, EowynW said:

Last night in the middle of our anniversary dinner, I got a text from my boss saying I no longer had a job. I burst into tears. That good part time job (in a very depressed and grungy part of our state where most jobs full and part time are fast food, hospice workers or overnight gas station attendants)  was our savings builder for buying a home and trying to get a better car. Lori doesn't understand anything. 

Oh no! I'm so very sorry! 

[ViolaSebastian]

@EowynW, I'm so sorry. I hope things improve for you soon; that was an objectively rotten way for your boss to tell you that. 

Ken's "Horse of Truth" claim that he and Lori were "so omg poor" as graduate students/newlyweds really sticks in my craw. There's a world of difference (and I'm speaking as someone who just got out of graduate school AND who lived in poverty for ten years while I was married) between being temporarily poor to pursue a degree or training and facing grinding poverty day after day with no ending in site and no apparent way to better one's situation. Poverty isn't just material, it's also has significant psychological effects--effects that aren't there if you have a father who is a doctor who you can rely on to bail you out if you need surgery or car repairs. So Ken and Lori can go on all day about being so "poor" they could only eat swordfish once a week, but it won't change the truth. 

[Hisey]

23 minutes ago, EowynW said:

Last night in the middle of our anniversary dinner, I got a text from my boss saying I no longer had a job. I burst into tears. That good part time job (in a very depressed and grungy part of our state where most jobs full and part time are fast food, hospice workers or overnight gas station attendants)  was our savings builder for buying a home and trying to get a better car. Lori doesn't understand anything. 

I am so sorry, Eowyn! What a terrible way to find out. I hope you find something new soon. What sort of job will you be looking for? You can brainstorm here if you like (if that's allowed, I mean). Someone may have some good advice.

[pamplemousse]

30 minutes ago, EowynW said:

Last night in the middle of our anniversary dinner, I got a text from my boss saying I no longer had a job. I burst into tears. That good part time job (in a very depressed and grungy part of our state where most jobs full and part time are fast food, hospice workers or overnight gas station attendants)  was our savings builder for buying a home and trying to get a better car. Lori doesn't understand anything. 

Oh no!  I am so sorry. What an awful way to find that out.  I hope you are able to find something else good soon.