Turpins - 13 shackled kids

[Bethella]

6 hours ago, nvmbr02 said:

I have zero statistics but I have heard of similar instances in other countries. For example in Japan about a month ago a 27 year old woman was found locked in a shed, she had been there since she was a teen. IIRC, she was acting out as a teen and her parents decided she had some sort of mental illness but didn't want to take her to be seen by a medical professional so they locked her in a shed instead. There was also the Fritzl case from Austria. That was several years ago, 2008 or 2009 I think. The daughter was locked away for 20+ years and had 7 children fathered by her father.  It does seem like it happens more in the US though. 

Here's a list of child abuse cases featuring long-term detention from all over the world. Just from looking at the list, it seems that the cases involving family members are longer than the abduction cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_abuse_cases_featuring_long-term_detention

[SoGladIWasCofE]

The two showers a year thing - either they only leave the house for the disney/vegas trips, and they get to shower just before those, or the kids are managing decentish washing in a sink. I can't imagine it would be possible to parade 13 children around in public if they haven't washed in months, the smell would be seriously noticeable. They all look clean in the photos of the wedding and such. But that being the rare times they are allowed to be clean adds another level of fucked up to the whole creepy vow renewal thing.

God that house must smell awful.

IMO it's totally possible to survive off one meal a day. It's a starvation diet, and it'd have permanent effects on health, height and brain function, but it's survivable.

They mentioned something in that article about the girl who broke out having mental capacity way below her age. That's what you'd expect from that kind of diet - serious mental impairment. Obviously the isolation and likely lack of stimulation won't have helped either.

It's really difficult to comprehend the filth they must have been living in.

[SapphireSlytherin]

For everyone screaming "why didn't they call CPS?" -  That's one of those "damned if you do/damned if you don't" topics. I've been vilified ON THIS WEBSITE for saying I'd call CPS on a family that admittedly did NOT take proper care of their children. I've been told I'm everything but intelligent for saying I'd also call CPS on a family that abuses/neglects their children, because CPS employees are "overworked" and get called on "nothing" calls all the time.

Damned fucking double-standards all over the place.

[seattlechic]

@Sideways OMG The sister is a nutjob. I stopped listening to the podcast when she said "I feel God is going to guide our conversation". Bitch, not. 

I almost could not enjoy my dinner last night. Who in this world does this to another human being, let alone offspring. Fuck. 

[artdecades]

oh god I am watching the news conference now. He sexually abused the kids

[seattlechic]

2 minutes ago, artdecades said:

oh god I am watching the news conference now. He sexually abused the kids

MotherFucker. I hate them even more right now. 

I will be following this case more closely in Websleuths. 

[HarleyQuinn]

5 minutes ago, artdecades said:

oh god I am watching the news conference now. He sexually abused the kids

Not shocked at all. I feel awful for those children. 

[artdecades]

More from the press conference:

-victims have neuropathy/nerve damage/congnitive damage from the abuse

-chains were used as punishments. things they were punished for included washing their hands too much.

-12 year old weighs the same as average 7 year olds

-they weren't allowed to have toys but there were tons of toys in the house that were unopened

-17 year old and her sibling planned escaping for 2 years. Sibling got scared and backed out. 17 year old is a hero IMO

-Children did not know what a police officer, medicine, etc was

-parents would buy and eat food in front of the kids and not allow them to eat it.

-father is charged for lewd act on minor

-bail increased to 12 million each

 

 

more from the Q&A

 

-lewd act on a minor is exactly what it sounds like. he is accused of doing it to one child

-he had a job and they money.

-they are no charging torture on the 2 year old. The 2 year old was well fed and they don't know why that one wasn't abused.

-One of the adult male children did attend classes outside of of the house. The mom escorted him to and from classes.

-one of the reasons they were never caught was cuz they slept all day and were up at night.

[Buzzard]

They were not permitted to wash their hands above the wrist because that's "playing."

They've never seen a dentist

They were allowed to journal and the police have them.  That's going to be some serious evidence.

I cant imagine what life was like in that house or how these victims are going to adjust to life now.

[Mlissmartin]

11 minutes ago, artdecades said:

More from the press conference:

-victims have neuropathy/nerve damage/congnitive damage from the abuse

-chains were used as punishments. things they were punished for included washing their hands too much.

-12 year old weighs the same as average 7 year olds

-they weren't allowed to have toys but there were tons of toys in the house that were unopened

-17 year old and her sibling planned escaping for 2 years. Sibling got scared and backed out. 17 year old is a hero IMO

-Children did not know what a police officer, medicine, etc was

-parents would buy and eat food in front of the kids and not allow them to eat it.

-father is charged for lewd act on minor

-bail increased to 12 million each

Link? Can't find an updated article from after court

[Maggie Mae]

3 minutes ago, Mlissmartin said:

Link? Can't find an updated article from after court

It literally just ended - arraignment will be in 2 hours. I couldn't hear half the questions because my coworkers are being annoying. There were a lot of reporters asking questions that the PR person wouldn't talk about. 

I'm sure someone will have a transcript soon. 

[Buzzard]

4 minutes ago, Mlissmartin said:

Link? Can't find an updated article from after court

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-couple-david-and-louise-turpin-13-kids-officials-press-conference-today-live-stream/

The press conference is here

[artdecades]

6 minutes ago, Mlissmartin said:

Link? Can't find an updated article from after court

I watched it live on tv. I have to go to work now so I missed the end of it

[libgirl2]

They amended the charges to 12 counts of torture as the 2 year old seemed to have gotten enough to eat. I guess as she was still small they were pretty happy and didn't have a reason to keep her small?? 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/us/turpin-family-investigation/index.html

[justoneoftwo]

1 minute ago, libgirl2 said:

They amended the charges to 12 counts of torture as the 2 year old seemed to have gotten enough to eat. I guess as she was still small they were pretty happy and didn't have a reason to keep her small?? 

Maybe this is an indication of things changing?  It seems like maybe a few years ago things got worse and sparked the escape attempts?  Or maybe they just like babies?  Its hard to imagine how people can do things like this, and then turn around and like one of your kids?

[HarleyQuinn]

2 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

They amended the charges to 12 counts of torture as the 2 year old seemed to have gotten enough to eat. I guess as she was still small they were pretty happy and didn't have a reason to keep her small?? 

This makes me wonder even more if that baby is really the mothers. 

I wonder at what age they stopped teaching the kids about things like police officers, if the 17 year old knew enough to call 911.

I also wonder if those journals were read my the parents and censored.

 

 

[MzMcLean]

Horrible thought,  that suddenly feels slightly less horrible. 

 

For the girls' sake, I hope that the conditions were at the point that they were not menstruating after hearing of not just the lewd acts (praying we don't find out about any children born to them) but also considering 2 showers a year?? I just can't even imagine taking that few showers during ONE cycle!

My heart is broken and so sickened.  How can beasts like this call themselves people of faith???

[justoneoftwo]

Just now, MzMcLean said:

Horrible thought,  that suddenly feels slightly less horrible. 

 

For the girls' sake, I hope that the conditions were at the point that they were not menstruating after hearing of not just the lewd acts (praying we don't find out about any children born to them) but also considering 2 showers a year?? I just can't even imagine taking that few showers during ONE cycle!

My heart is broken and so sickened.  How can beasts like this call themselves people of faith???

I would bet they weren't menstruating at all, with the amount of food they were allowed.

[hasunah]

5 hours ago, JesusPony said:

They were fed once a day and allowed to shower twice a year: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-torture-house-13-siblings-allowed-eat-once-day-shower-n838671?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

 

I CANNOT.

 

ETA: My frickin cat gets far better care.

Cats also take better care of their babies.

[MzMcLean]

3 minutes ago, justoneoftwo said:

I would bet they weren't menstruating at all, with the amount of food they were allowed.

I never thought I'd "hope" someone was malnourished enough to not menstrate. 

[Curious]

On 1/17/2018 at 12:04 AM, KnittingOwl said:

I can guarantee that my mother would not go four or five years without seeing her grandchildren. 

I was already mostly estranged from my parents when I had my second child.  I didn't think it was right to deny him his grandparents just because *I* didn't get along with them so I gave them access to him, until he was around 2 years old.   

Then one day when we were visiting, my dad didn't like something he did and said something like you big dummy that was stupid...to my toddler.   I lost my shit.  It was one thing to say that stuff to me. I was used to it because I grew up with it, but he was not going to say stuff like that to my 2 year old.   An argument ensued about me being unreasonable and not being able to take a joke.   That was the last time they saw him because I knew I could not trust them not to say things to him that I didn't want him hearing.  He was 7 when my dad died and almost 8 when my mom died.   They hadn't seen him for 5+ years because they couldn't understand that verbally abusing him was not something they could do.

So there are legit reasons why grandparents don't get to see their grandchildren.   I am not saying the Turpin case is one of them, of course.   I would hope that had my parents thought I was abusing my kid they would have called to have a well check done on him and I think they would have.

[adidas]

2 hours ago, artdecades said:

forgive me if this was talked about earlier since i haven't read the whole thread, but she is 49 and he is 57. She married him when she was 16. He would have been 24. How was that not a red flag to the family to begin with?

They probably knew each other and dated for a while before getting married too. A 15 year old with a 23 year old ... 14 year old with a 22 year old. It’s sick.

They’re both sick, evil monsters. Those poor children

[EyesOpen]

My God... so sick...

[Curious]

On 1/17/2018 at 10:46 AM, pelerine said:

Honestly, healthcare is not really all that expensive.

Really?  Try have 2 fusion surgeries 4 months apart, complete with a month in the hospital (much of it in the ICU) each time and skilled nursing facility stays of several months each.  Oh and add in the trip by ambulance to another hospital for an ICU stay because the other SNF you were at overdosed you.  Then add on a flap surgery to close the wound you were giving at one of the SNFs. Then add a few more days in ICU because you died after the flap surgery and needed to be on a ventilator for a few days giving your lungs time to heal.  THEN add in another 8 weeks at a skilled nursing facility for that flap surgery you had to heal.  All this in a 3 year period.  Not to mention your regular dr. care and medications (which you were providing to the hospital/snf because they don't carry your main pain medication)   Don't forget to add in the wound dr. you saw for 18 months because the wound you had the flap surgery for wouldn't heal and needed weekly care because it was 4 INCHES DEEP.  oh and he didn't take your insurance so that is all out of pocket.  Not to mention the spine neurosurgeon, various anesthesiologists, the hospitalists or and let's not leave out all the diagnostic tests like MRIs, followed by CT scans (because you can no longer have MRIs due to your spine being made of metal.  Plus all your regular check ups/screenings because you aren't "skimping" on your health care.

We can talk about how healthcare is not all that expensive after that if you'd like.

I forgot to add:  I've had my gallbladder removed and an ERCP 4 months later when I got pancreatitis from the stones that were outside the gallbladder that they missed.

[Sideways]

Corona Chamber of Commerce has set up an official donation page for the victims.  They are in need of so much.   Not only financial contributions, but clothing, shoes, feminine hygiene products, toys.   Heartbroken.  My kids are going to organize a school drive to help the victims.

http://www.mychamber.org/events/details/donations-for-perris-abuse-victims-14222