Turpins - 13 shackled kids

[foreign fundie]

To really understand why they did it, you would have to tie your brains in the same knots they tied theirs in. And the though of not being able to untangle them again if you tried that is freakin scary.

Some crazy places you just don’t want to go. They were once people with normal potential for good and evil like all of us. Whatever it was they were thinking, I do not even want to try to fathom. 

[adidas]

More quotes from the news:

"The abuse and severe neglect intensified over time and intensified as they moved to California."

and

The Turpin's 13 children were so emaciated and malnourished, many will suffer permanent physical disabilities and mental impairments for the rest of their lives.

[luv2laugh]

17 minutes ago, adidas said:

More details are being released - the escape plan was a joint effort:

“The 17-year-old explained that she, along with other brothers and sisters, had been planning the escape for two years”

They are all so amazingly brave.

Yes that was in the new press conference today. The 17 year old escaped with a sibling but the sibling got scared and went back into the home. The 17 year old continued on alone.

How. Brave. No words.

The news just announced "The father is being charged with a sex crime" He said "The lewd act we are referring to is that Turpin touched the victim's in a way that used force or fear". 

I don't have evidence but I think the father is a pervert and got some sort of twisted satisfaction out of torturing his family and restraining his kids.  It was noted that the kids were tied up with ropes but chains were introduced when they learned to get out of them.

The father is reminding me of the BTK killer- bind, torture, & kill.

Here is the link to the press conference below: 

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

Louise's sister said something about how the family thought they were the ones in the family to have it together. Like maybe other family members had problems. And honestly, I've never met someone who got married at 16 without a pregnancy that DIDN'T have a difficult childhood. So I'm guessing Louise didn't have the greatest childhood and that can of course tie into abuse (and I'm not making excuses).

[Bad Wolf]

The case here, the girl was 16 and weighed 40lbs. and the boy was almost 12 and weighedb30lbs. There were 3 other children in the home who were well fed and went to school. The girl got a monthly shot after they were found to prevent her from going into puberty, as the pediatrician wanted her to grow as much as possible. It was a very well documented case

[adidas]

4 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

Yes that was in the new press conference today. The 17 year old escaped with a sibling but the sibling got scared and went back into the home. The 17 year old continued on alone.

I was referencing more the plurals - numerous brothers and sisters. Not just the two who jumped out the window. 

To plan that kind of thing, without the parents getting wind of it, as a joint effort - when they probably couldn’t think straight because of starvation and emaciation - is just so enormous. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

5 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

The case here, the girl was 16 and weighed 40lbs. and the boy was almost 12 and weighedb30lbs. There were 3 other children in the home who were well fed and went to school. The girl got a monthly shot after they were found to prevent her from going into puberty, as the pediatrician wanted her to grow as much as possible. It was a very well documented case

Omg what case is that (parents names)?

[Iamtheway]

6 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

The case here, the girl was 16 and weighed 40lbs. and the boy was almost 12 and weighedb30lbs. There were 3 other children in the home who were well fed and went to school. The girl got a monthly shot after they were found to prevent her from going into puberty, as the pediatrician wanted her to grow as much as possible. It was a very well documented case

My 3 year old weighs more then that. How horrific. Why were they singled out?

[Chocolatedefrauded]

I have never wanted a prison beat down as much as I do now, on these hideous excuses for humans. But alas, they will probably be put into protective custody since lots of inmates were abused as children.

[adidas]

1 hour ago, EyesOpen said:

Likely pleading insanity...

It won’t work. The fact that they cleaned them before taking them out in public is testament to the fact that they knew what they were doing is wrong. If they were insane the children wouldn’t have been bathed before the vow renewals.

The mother’s ‘perplexed’ demeanour is probably part of the acting. I have faith, though, that LE has seen right through them and their evil ways (the enormous bail amount is a good clue).

The diaries will be a huge part of this case, IMO. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

Again disclaimer!!! I'm not making excuses!

But the fact that they married when she was 16 and he was 23 is not that surprising to me if the husband turns out to be the leader in the abuse. Because it's much easier for someone to mold a 16 year old into what they want compared to a grown adult. 

[NakedKnees]

On the subject of taking two years to plan and execute their escape, this seems fitting with what I've read here on FJ about typical escapes from brainwashed circumstances being preceded by repeated "rehearsals" of the escape. I can imagine kids so deprived of education, health, and society having a hard time piecing together the steps for an escape than, say, someone who is kidnapped and forcibly detained as a "normal" teen or adult. I am okay with calling them all heros. Not to downplay the severity of this situation, but I can barely read email at work if I get "hangry." This escape is nothing short of very impressive to me.

I'm from Southern California (I used to go camping at Lake Perris and passed through Murrieta many times too- so chilling now). All in all, I don't find the Vegas and Disney stuff too weird. Sure, it's odd for "typical" fundies we follow here, but we don't know much about this family's belief system yet. Vegas and Disney are both popular destinations that often become "fandoms," and are a little more economically accessible when they're simply day trips. I personally love both, and I don't think that would have been the case if I didn't grow up in SoCal.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but this case makes me so grateful for the public presence of the celebs we follow here, like the Duggars, all the way to the niche web presense of evil like the Andersons. I know in general, FJ isn't meant to meddle with this world, but I still think all those kids have a level of protection that could have really changed the Turpin kids' lives.

[Rachel333]

I think I saw too that the parents were trying to unshackle the kids before the police came, so they were very aware that what they were doing would be seen as abuse.

[nausicaa]

3 hours ago, hasunah said:

Cats also take better care of their babies.

Those kids would have been better off living in the woods with feral cats. 

[Sideways]

12 minutes ago, adidas said:

More quotes from the news:

The Turpin's 13 children were so emaciated and malnourished, many will suffer permanent physical disabilities and mental impairments for the rest of their lives.

And to think in college I lobbied our state capital to get rid of the death penalty.   Fry the parents.

1 minute ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Again disclaimer!!! I'm not making excuses!

But the fact that they married when she was 16 and he was 23 is not that surprising to me if the husband turns out to be the leader in the abuse. Because it's much easier for someone to mold a 16 year old into what they want compared to a grown adult. 

 It's worth noting she came from a home with sexual abuse.  

[WiseGirl]

3 minutes ago, Chocolatedefrauded said:

I have never wanted a prison beat down as much as I do now, 

I see we are both thinking about the prison "justice". They would not make it out alive.

I think Hell is too good of a place for these parents. 

[Curious]

1 hour ago, CaricatureQualities said:

She was probably terrified it would result in even harsher treatment for her and her siblings.

One of the articles I read said she thought she would be killed if she was caught.  So the courage she had to get help is really quite amazing.  The DA (I think it was) said in the first news conference that she is a hero, so I'm sure people are letting her know she did an amazing and brave thing to save herself and her siblings.

1 hour ago, CaricatureQualities said:

It's hard to accept that even if they never see the outside of a prison for the rest of their lives they will still lead a better existence being institutionalized than the one they forced onto their own children. Prison will be luxury living in comparison.

I wouldn't be too sure.  From what I understand prisoners don't take to kindly to people who molest/abuse children.  They may end up being in protective custody where they only get an hour out of their cells a day.   They will still have better facilities than they gave their children, but having to watch your back from a prison full of dangerous people won't be a cakewalk either.

I do think they could be served 1/2 or 1/4 rations for a while so they can see what it's like to be hungry all the time, but I suppose that is cruel and unusual punishment so they won't suffer like their children have.

[nvmbr02]

1 hour ago, justoneoftwo said:

I just don't get how they could have brought home food for themselves and not the kids and thought that was okay.  Thats an extra level of torture.  They knew they wanted to eat enough, how did they not see their kids weren't eating enough?  I don't believe they can have believed their own lies.  I think they must have liked causing pain.  I just don't see how it could have been different.

This. So much this. I just can not imagine letting my children go hungry.

This case is just haunting. 

[luv2laugh]

Here's a brief video of the evil parents today in court.

Spoiler

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42741049

"Prosecutors said circumstantial evidence showed the children were not released from their chains to go to the toilet."

David & Louise Turpin need to experience rotting in their prison cells and know the sting and irritation of sitting in their own waste.

"At one point, the parents allegedly lived in a different house from their children and would drop off food from time to time, officials said."

Are you fucking kidding me!??!

[Rachel333]

He looks terrible. It also makes me so angry to see him be so overweight when his children are emaciated.

Spoiler

 

[Nikedagain?]

Do we know how old the 12th child is? How much of a gap between that child and the 2 year old? And the mom would have given birth at age 47? 

Hmmmmm. Not buying it. 

[BlackSheep]

2 hours ago, Rachel333 said:

The parents are pleading not guilty.

 

Yeah. Good luck with that.

[luv2laugh]

I am not trying to draw conclusions but the more I think about this case, I'm trying to figure out a possible motive for the madness, in my mind.  

What would be the motive to keep the children on a schedule where they are sleeping all day but awake at night? The DA said it was evidence that they went to extensive lengths to hide their crimes.

What would be the motive to isolate them so extensively that they wouldn't understand the terms "police officer" and "medication"?

Why would the mother sit outside of the classroom and escort the son back and forth to class?

The news conference said the abuse got significantly worse over the past 4 years. It is now known that the children have been hogtied, bound with ropes and then chains and this punishment could last for months. It is also now known that the father committed a lewd sex act on a female child under 14.

 

I think the father is a perverted sex abuser like the BTK bind, torture, kill serial killer but obviously we don't have stone cold proof right now. It's possible that someone in the family found out about the lewd sex act the father committed on the minor sibling and the parents went to extensive lengths to lock everyone down to make sure one of the kids wouldn't run and tell.

 

[Coconutwater]

When their Facebook was up I went to his individual one and saw he has a son who’s married and lives in Florida. I wonder if that is him sitting behind him in the video? What did he know and what information can he give? 

[raised in rebellion]

This story is so triggering for me, as a similar situation is what caused the major riff in the dynamics of my IFB family. Unfortunately, the events in my fam unravelled in KS, and retribution ended in a few measly years. 

I still wonder about my poor estranged cousins, and can understand how it was hidden from fam that lived far away. 

Even now, all the torture perpetrated on my poor cousins is justified by most of my family, and all of the abuse was washed "in the blood of the lamb".

I'm so glad they escaped in Cali, rather than Texas. They probably would have been delivered to the front door as a runaway with no questions asked. 

I also feel that a lot of people here are quick to say that someone should have hotlined, while admitting they have no idea what is going on in their own neighborhoods. Besides, it's rare that intervention happens until it's sick as hell in these "horror homes".

These poor babies...I know the guilt of being ignorant to the signs, and agree with those who call the 17 yr old a hero. She IS. She understood no one else gave a shit enough to help them. Family was far and cut-off...and neighbors tend to keep to themselves. 

I hope the outrageous bail is indicative of society demanding better. May all these sick fucks be held accountable. 

Meh...So sad. End rant. Just when I thought Jill and Lori were the worst...how many sickos are out there?!?!