Donald Trump wants bans on Muslims entering US

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Anyway, being critical of Obama doesn't mean one supports Trump.

And not supporting Trump doesn't mean I don't think we need to "figure out" immigration to fit with our current world. The ability to protect ourselves is the one of the points having borders.

Obviously the current system didn't work with Malik, so what can we do to rectify that?

[Whoosh]

59 minutes ago, Catey said:

I have added to my Bucket List:

-Use "hoofwanking bunglecunt" at least once in an argument.

I'm gonna give it a whirl here 

The statement about poverty was not any kind of overgeneralization - it was just flat out false (depending on the knowledge of the speaker, some would call it a lie).  I think the question people should be asking is WHY did the percent of Americans under the poverty line decline fairly steadily until the WAR On Poverty began but yet has remained uncannily steady since that time despite predictable upticks spurred by various recessions.  And HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that the wealth disparity in this country has followed the absolutely morally bankrupt and sickening trend that has been occurring over that same time period.  I am not defending Obama necessarily, but trying to pin a decades long problem on the man doesn't really help anyone - at all.  Maybe we should ask the hoofwanking bunglecunt how he plans to rectify all of that.  Oh, wait...

 

 

Here is an oldie but a goodie

 

[PregnantPornStar]

For those who think Trump is not dangerous, I will leave this here for discussion:

 

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/california-mosque-fire-bombed-by-trump-inspired-domestic-terrorist/

Occupy Democrats and CAIR. :/

People are full of hate. That hate isn't exclusively directed at Muslims.

[PregnantPornStar]

59 minutes ago, Catey said: I have added to my Bucket List:

-Use "hoofwanking bunglecunt" at least once in an argument.

I'm gonna give it a whirl here 

The statement about poverty was not any kind of overgeneralization - it was just flat out false (depending on the knowledge of the speaker, some would call it a lie).  I think the question people should be asking is WHY did the percent of Americans under the poverty line decline fairly steadily until the WAR On Poverty began but yet has remained uncannily steady since that time despite predictable upticks spurred by various recessions.  And HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that the wealth disparity in this country has followed the absolutely morally bankrupt and sickening trend that has been occurring over that same time period.  I am not defending Obama necessarily, but trying to pin a decades long problem on the man doesn't really help anyone - at all.  Maybe we should ask the hoofwanking bunglecunt how he plans to rectify all of that.  Oh, wait...

 

 

Here is an oldie but a goodie

 

Eh, I could discuss this at length with you. Again, it is not something that is good.

In fact, I will even go on and on about what poverty is and what not...I have a bit of a professional background working with people who were "below the poverty line" so I know what I am talking about. Regardless. Obama hasn't made America great, he isn't a savior or anywhere near that.

People are not happy living below the poverty line...and when I see military families living below the poverty line, going to the food shelf and getting some of the lowest annual pay raises given to the military in years...well, I am a bit dumbfounded.

Single parents are also not faring so well....

I am not only slamming Obama, but, America isn't doing so hot and I think we could do better.

Still, Obama has managed to land on my shit list. It is disheartening to cringe as much over Obama as Trump...seriously,none doesn't speak in Paris shortly after a terrorist attack when you are the leader of the free world and say mass shootings don't happen anywhere other than America. No matter what he intended, it isn't like he is not able of thinking "well. That will make me sound like an asshole"

But...whatever...

And it is weird when I think back to Bush, and all the things he said, and wonder if it really was so bad. Not that it was good either...but...America needs better than what we have and what we potentially have.

Paint me politically jaded, confused and saddened.

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Basically, I can't even talk about Trump without thinking "how the fuck did we get here?"

The only thing about it that makes me feel even remotely better is to note that things are not going so well, but people are getting excited about major change. The love both Bernie and Trump seem to be getting actually gives me hope that people are at least thinking outside the two party box...I don't want to see Trump make it at all, but mixing things up seems to be what we need.

[PennySycamore]

You fucking cringe as much over Obama as over Trump?  That's idiotic! 

I don't know many liberals who are disappointed with Obama.  Yes, we may have wished that he'd have governed more to the left, but we also know that he'd faced unprecedented challenges. There have been a bunch of very vocal, very vile people that would like very much for him to fail and have been opposed to everything Obama since day 1 of his Presidency.

[PregnantPornStar]

You fucking cringe as much over Obama as over Trump?  That's idiotic! 

I don't know many liberals who are disappointed with Obama.  Yes, we may have wished that he'd have governed more to the left, but we also know that he'd faced unprecedented challenges. There have been a bunch of very vocal, very vile people that would like very much for him to fail and have been opposed to everything Obama since day 1 of his Presidency.

Eh, Bush got a lot of shit too and I think it is fair to say he faced unprecedented challenges...

Also, what do you mean you wish he had governed more to the left?

[Curious]

13 hours ago, PregnantPornStar said:

Occupy Democrats and CAIR. :/

People are full of hate. That hate isn't exclusively directed at Muslims.

Ok you don't like those sources?  How about this one: http://usuncut.com/news/there-have-been-23-hate-crimes-against-muslims-in-the-past-6-days/

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/10/living/mosques-attack-study-2015/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/jihadists-backlash-erickson/416070/

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/fbi-bias-crimes-against-muslims-remain-high-levels

yeah, other groups of people are attacked, but we're focusing on hate crimes against Muslims and brown people...

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13 hours ago, PregnantPornStar said:

Occupy Democrats and CAIR. :/

People are full of hate. That hate isn't exclusively directed at Muslims.

Ok you don't like those sources?  How about this one: http://usuncut.com/news/there-have-been-23-hate-crimes-against-muslims-in-the-past-6-days/

Obviously hate crimes, harassment, etc are bad.

Still, I find it interesting that when I looked at this link this morning it said 23 attacks (as the link says) and now the article by US Uncut says 19 crimes and there is no note about the correction. I wish I had looked it over better so I could see what was removed...

One of my concern is that multiple crimes where CAIR has become involved have been questionable. They have fabricated crimes and are not always the most honest. This is unfortunate for those crimes that are real because I think anyone who knows anything about CAIR will question what they are claiming.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/07/suspect-charged-in-cairs-anti-muslim-hate-crime-is-named-mohamed/

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/07/17/cair-calls-in-feds-over-possible-hate-crime-against-air-conditioning-unit/

I also feel it is important to note that these cases are still under investigation. If we can't call terrorism until we know for a fact it is terrorism, we can't call crimes anti-muslim hate crimes until we know do a fact that they are anti-muslim hate crimes.

Lastly, it is absurd to pin the blame on Trump (and Carson) for these crimes. For CAIR or anyone to suggest such things in light of San Bernardino and Paris, is ridiculous. I am not suggesting that terrorist attacks make any attacks acceptable, but come on....

[PennySycamore]

14 hours ago, PregnantPornStar said:

Eh, Bush got a lot of shit too and I think it is fair to say he faced unprecedented challenges...

Also, what do you mean you wish he had governed more to the left?

Well, Bush wasn't black for one thing. In the minds of too many citizens, a black man should never be President.  I've never seen so much blatant racism as I have since Obama was elected.  I lived through the 50s and 60s, btw, and saw footage of Bull Connor's police dogs attacking children and water cannons blasting innocent kids down the street.  Schools and public facilities were segregated when I was little. The state parks in SC actually closed their swimming areas for a few years rather than integrate.  I thought we'd changed and I think we have, but there is still this unfortunate core of racism in our country.

Almost everyone on the left is opposed to the Trans Pacific Partnership for one.  I do think that Obama has done a fine job, though, and I am grateful that he is our President.

 

[Curious]

7 hours ago, PregnantPornStar said:

Obviously hate crimes, harassment, etc are bad.

Still, I find it interesting that when I looked at this link this morning it said 23 attacks (as the link says) and now the article by US Uncut says 19 crimes and there is no note about the correction. I wish I had looked it over better so I could see what was removed...

One of my concern is that multiple crimes where CAIR has become involved have been questionable. They have fabricated crimes and are not always the most honest. This is unfortunate for those crimes that are real because I think anyone who knows anything about CAIR will question what they are claiming.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/07/suspect-charged-in-cairs-anti-muslim-hate-crime-is-named-mohamed/

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/07/17/cair-calls-in-feds-over-possible-hate-crime-against-air-conditioning-unit/

I also feel it is important to note that these cases are still under investigation. If we can't call terrorism until we know for a fact it is terrorism, we can't call crimes anti-muslim hate crimes until we know do a fact that they are anti-muslim hate crimes.

Lastly, it is absurd to pin the blame on Trump (and Carson) for these crimes. For CAIR or anyone to suggest such things in light of San Bernardino and Paris, is ridiculous. I am not suggesting that terrorist attacks make any attacks acceptable, but come on....

You complain about my sources and then post links from brietbart?   LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Breitbart

He was a Tea Party/far right type who appeared frequently on Fox News.   His site is clearly totally unbiased

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[Whoosh]

OMG - soda SHOT out my nose when I just read that response to you, Curious.  It's like she's not even trying for "believably pretty liberal" anymore.  And she seems to have given up the pretending that her own past and present posts and outrageous false statements and accusations make any sense whatsoever.

That's one of the funniest things I have read in a long time!  Totally made my morning.  She should apply for a job with the Onion.

[Curious]

8 hours ago, PregnantPornStar said:

Lastly, it is absurd to pin the blame on Trump (and Carson) for these crimes. For CAIR or anyone to suggest such things in light of San Bernardino and Paris, is ridiculous. I am not suggesting that terrorist attacks make any attacks acceptable, but come on....

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/12/10/3730664/donald-trump-kkk/

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Politico reported Thursday that the KKK is also explicitly using Trump as a talking point in its recent outreach efforts. Don Black, the founder of white supremacist group Stormfront, told Politico that “Trump has helped drive a steady increase in traffic in recent months — including 30-40 percent spikes when the businessman makes news on immigration or Muslims,” according to the website.

And Rachel Pendergraft, a spokeswoman for the Arkansas-based Knights Party, which considers itself the national standard-bearer for the KKK, told Politico that Trump has offered KKK members new recruitment opportunities. “Right now he is a major talking point. He is in the news a lot,” she said.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620

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The Ku Klux Klan is using Donald Trump as a talking point in its outreach efforts. Stormfront, the most prominent American white supremacist website, is upgrading its servers in part to cope with a Trump traffic spike. And former Louisiana Rep. David Duke reports that the businessman has given more Americans cover to speak out loud about white nationalism than at any time since his own political campaigns in the 1990s.

 

This one is just a good article detailing many of Trump's...talking points and blatant lies: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/23/donald_trump_is_vile_on_mosques_muslims_black_america.html

Article regarding CAIR for those that may not be familiar with it: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/altmuslim/2012/06/4818/

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8 hours ago, Curious said:

You complain about my sources and then post links from brietbart?   LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Breitbart

He was a Tea Party/far right type who appeared frequently on Fox News.   His site is clearly totally unbiased

I am aware of who Breitbart was.  I figured since your sources were so unbiased....

I would say that the journalism on Breitbart is a bit more fact checked that Occupy Democrats or US Uncut. Or at least John Nolte is better at fact checking than Zach Cartwright. Who the hell is Zach Cartwright...

Being a "tea party/far right type who appeared frequently on Fox News" doesn't mean that this is any less true. 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-reviewing-shooting-muslim-taxi-driver-pittsburgh-suspect-custody-n474851

and here is another case from years ago. This happens repeatedly with CAIR. 

http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/15/hate-crime-rhetoric-not-supported-by-facts/

CAIR was front and center IMMEDIATELY after San Bernardino...make of that what you will...

8 hours ago, Whoosh said:

OMG - soda SHOT out my nose when I just read that response to you, Curious.  It's like she's not even trying for "believably pretty liberal" anymore.  And she seems to have given up the pretending that her own past and present posts and outrageous false statements and accusations make any sense whatsoever.

Because I referenced something "right-wing"? The horrors!!! 

I happen to not be trapped in one ideological mindset. I tend to question things and the "regressive left" has certainly made me move more and more center over time. Horrible, I know. Anyone who agrees with any conservative, ever, is obviously an idiot. (sarcasm, obviously) 

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That's one of the funniest things I have read in a long time!  Totally made my morning.  She should apply for a job with the Onion.

You need to step away from FJ for awhile if that is one of the funniest things you have read in a long time. 

The Onion making fun of those who join ISIS. If this is deemed Hate Speech on FJ, feel free to remove it...

Spoiler

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/why-westerners-join-isis-51128

Here are a few oldies

The first makes me laugh every time. 

http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/06/africom-germany-soldier-assignment/

And...because Star Wars and in honor of censorship!!!! Thank goodness for censorship or we wouldn't have R2. 

Spoiler

8 hours ago, Curious said:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/12/10/3730664/donald-trump-kkk/

So are you suggesting Trump, whom is NOT affiliated with the Klan, is the cause of anti-Muslim hate crimes? Or that he has had the biggest impact on claims of an upswing of anti-muslim attacks? You are attributing this to Trump? Not Paris or San Bernardino (and multiple other recent attacks)?

I am not defending hate crimes. Hate crimes would be unacceptable, regardless....but, attributing them to Trump. I strongly disagree....

8 hours ago, Curious said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620

It isn't as if Trump is asking for their support. Being that he is pretty pro-Israel, I find it unlikely that he would ever support the KKK.  

8 hours ago, Curious said:

 

This one is just a good article detailing many of Trump's...talking points and blatant lies: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/23/donald_trump_is_vile_on_mosques_muslims_black_america.html

Trump said something about needing to "watch and study" mosques. I have gathered he was referring to Mosques with radical leadership...

Based on what was found after France decided to do this, I honestly don't think Trump was wrong to suggest such a thing. 

I am doubtful that the members of FJ would be upset if PP's Church was investigated...

8 hours ago, Curious said:

Article regarding CAIR for those that may not be familiar with it: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/altmuslim/2012/06/4818/

Ah, the good old "affirm my opinion" with the internet link. You really are no more Curious than I am a PPS are you?

Now, I know that you use ADL as a source for what constitutes hate symbols. 

http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/israel-international/israel--middle-east/Profile-The-Council-on-American-Islamic-Relations.pdf

It is unfortunate that CAIR is the main group advocating for Muslims. 

[Mecca]

Anyone watching the debate? My heavens, Trump is sucking up a storm tonight. Back to whining about being treated unfair.

I am getting second hand embarrassment watching these clowns go at each other. The GOP is a mess, an absolute mess. 

[Mecca]

Don't get me wrong, I think ISIS needs to be addressed, but don't the Republicans dare get up on that stage and talk about keeping children safe so they can go to school without the threat of harm while completely ignoring the violence that actually happens by the hands of our own citizens due to lax gun laws. You want to keep kids safe, reform our gun laws. 

 And Trump, get a new line. "We don't win anymore" is not cutting it. Use your words, Aqua Net. 

[Mela99]

I wondered if anybody was watching. I refuse. I'm just here for reassurance that President Trump will never, ever happen. 

[Mecca]

2 minutes ago, Mela99 said:

I wondered if anybody was watching. I refuse. I'm just here for reassurance that President Trump will never, ever happen. 

Yeah, I watched. I use the Republican debates as a way to determine if I am moving back to Australia.

[Whoosh]

3 minutes ago, Mecca said:

Yeah, I watched. I use the Republican debates as a way to determine if I am moving back to Australia.

Can you take me with in a roll-board?

 

[Mecca]

12 minutes ago, Whoosh said:

Can you take me with in a roll-board?

 

Heck, I will share my seat with you on the plane and give you a place to stay. No one should have to live under a Trump regime. 

I have never been the person that is like, "That is it. I am out," but my husband and I have honestly had the talk recently about heading back to Australia.  We love the U.S., but tonight's debate just proves this group is itching to start a war with just about anyone that give the U.S. the side eye. They are working up the masses with their fear based initiative, and I am uncomfortable in the direction we are headed in. 

[Mecca]

I just watched an interview with a Trump supporter after the debate. The supporter said Trump has a clear vision for the country. Say what? Son, if you think Trump has clear vision, you might want to get your own eyes checked.

Trump speaks fluent Charlie Sheen at this point with all his "winning" garbage. 

[bashfulpixie]

8 hours ago, Mecca said:

Heck, I will share my seat with you on the plane and give you a place to stay. No one should have to live under a Trump regime. 

I have never been the person that is like, "That is it. I am out," but my husband and I have honestly had the talk recently about heading back to Australia.  We love the U.S., but tonight's debate just proves this group is itching to start a war with just about anyone that give the U.S. the side eye. They are working up the masses with their fear based initiative, and I am uncomfortable in the direction we are headed in. 

That's the GOP's modus operandi. Every election they find something to whip the right into a frenzy about, get the media to cover it obsessively until elections are over, then forget it ever happened.  They do it so they can get the votes of people who would be voting against their own self interests. If their followers are too concerned with things that won't happen to them (Ebola, anyone?), they won't have time to actually think about REAL issues.

[Ali]

Should we start a thread on which countries would be good to move to if Trump manages to get elected for those in the United States? My husband and I looked up the commute to his current job from Canada. It is not ideal, but it is doable.