Who's Responsible for the Possible Gov't Shutdown?

[J'ean Skirt]

Don't know about you, but I work hard and I do have nice things. Nice things shouldn't be given to people simply because they feel they have a sense of entitlement.

What the FUCK is so entitled about expecting to have health insurance when you're working?

Do you really think it's better for you if people are walking around sick? Most of those people who don't have health insurance or health care are the working poor. They make to much money to qualify for medicaid, and their employers don't give them access to affordable insurance. Hell, WalMart tells their employees how to sign up for federal aid - yes, my tax dollars are subsidizing WalMart's inability to pay their employees a living wage.

PLUS, these are people HANDLING YOUR FOOD. Do you really want the woman handling your food at the grocery store working with strep throat because she can't afford to go get antibiotics? I sure as hell don't. I want the people handling my food to be healthy.

AND, those of us who have insurance are ALREADY paying major amounts of money to cover care for the uninsured. Those stupid hospital costs from people using the ER as primary care? Yeah, they get passed on to people like me. Give them actual insurance and I am still covering it, but the costs to me are MUCH MUCH less than I was paying anyway.

:pull-hair: :pull-hair: :pull-hair:

[aelar]

Don't know about you, but I work hard and I do have nice things. Nice things shouldn't be given to people simply because they feel they have a sense of entitlement.

Assholes making bad faith arguments like yours are why this country can't join the rest of the developed nations in good standards of living for their people. That decent standard of living is the 'nice thing' I was referring to.

Health care, total health care, not just emergency medical treatment, is not an entitlement, it's a human right. It is a human right enjoyed by every other developed nation, and most of the developing ones too. But we don't have it, because of selfish, scared, greedy jerks like you.

Thinking that you have nice things just because you work hard, and people that don't have things like jobs, food, health, comfort and security, are lacking because they don't work hard, is the ultimate in sense of entitlement.

I actually live a great life: a house and all the fixings, a job that pays well and is challenging but still allows a good work-life balance, a stay-at-home spouse to take excellent care of my wonderful child, comprehensive health care with minimal co-pays that I rarely have to use, and a sizable bank account in the event any of the preceding things change.

But I am under no illusions that ANY of those things is due solely, or even primarily, to my own hard work. It was due to luck, genetics, white privilege, supportive parents, luck, government schools, the Dot-Com bubble, Planned Parenthood, the Internet, luck, my love of books, Amtrak, cheap state university, patience, patient friends and family, luck, cheap public transportation, more genetic lottery winning, learning a harsh lesson about credit early in life, luck, friends tipping me off for jobs, my dad having computers as a hobby, the Internet again, pulling a lot of all nighters, getting dumped by the wrong guy at the right time, and so on. Did I mention luck?

Thousands of inconsequential choices, and direly important coincidences, some mine, many, many, many by other people, have led me into a comfortable existence, while no worse choices, but some much worse happenstances have a lot of my friends (and a lot of the nation) just scraping by, fighting bankruptcy, sacrificing almost everything for a sick kid, lonely, near homeless, or grinding things out at a job where they work a lot harder for less money and more stress. Some people have made way worse choices, and come out better than me, I have a few friends like that too. That's life for you, it's not actually a morality play, and thank goodness for that.

I believe in bigger government in the social sector, I would welcome European-style socialism, and I'm not at all concerned about it somehow morphing into a communist dictatorship because I'm not a paranoid idiot. I want a bigger, broader safety net, because I want to live in a country that doesn't have people dying, starving, suffering for lack of money. Where one bad decision, or one unfortunate accident, doesn't have to ruin someone's life. Where the class you are born into isn't where you are stuck. Where people get help rising above their circumstances, or making up for their mistakes, not scorn, and condemnation, and abandonment. Where compassion is celebrated, not consumption.

I am not so scared of losing what I have that I am afraid to pay more taxes to fund these things. (Although I think reducing our military budget should happen first.) Since I have no need of social services (though I really really would have liked one of those year-long Swedish maternity leaves), it follows that I can afford the extra money to help fund them for people that do. (And even some people that don't. I'm not scared of welfare frauds either, their drain on the economy is nothing compared to what we give away in subsidies to the rich.) If my circumstances change (and all it would take is one disabling accident to throw my life into chaos) then I want those services there.

ACA is just a start to relieving just one of the burdens that Americans place on each other, but it's something. Republican obstructionism isn't going to win, and by the time my kid is out in the world, hopefully we'll have even more socialism in America.

[Artemis]

Congratulations, aelar, on a great post.

Ruby, try removing your cranium from your rectum for a change.

All it takes is a couple of wrong decisions and/or some bad luck, and you'll be the one needing help. Or are you superhumanly invulnerable?

[Handmaiden of Dog]

I just found out my dear neighbor is on furlough. I was worried about him because this isn't the first time-- he works for a sub-contractor for the EPA. He is also taking classes so he can eventually change jobs; he is no fool. Sadly they had to drastically change their lifestyle when the wife developed a very expensive medical condition. She used to work for our town. When she got sick and needed monthly treatments, the town's medical insurance went way up so they put enormous pressure on her (doubling, tripling her workload and then evaluating her work to new, impossible standards) in order to get rid of her. She did quit because stress aggravated her condition. Reduced to one income, they then had to buy COBRA coverage when he got fired. He was rehired by the same company but with a 10% pay cut and greatly reduced benefits and these days I think their annual deductible is $10,000 which they have to pay in in the first three months of the year (like I said her condition is very expensive.) Now he is on furlough and who knows how long it will last.

I honestly don't know how they survive. It's like a crash course on how to go from comfortably middle class to living paycheck to paycheck in just a few years all while working the same job.

I noticed that this time around, Congress made sure that the air traffic controllers were not effected because last time that created such a problem for them. Honestly I think every Congressman should lose his paycheck and the lights should be turned off in the House. They should lose every perk and every privilege until they fix the situation. They are playing around with the livelihoods or real people and causing real pain without the slightest bit of discomfort to themselves. It is sickening.

[FreeJosie]

Is that what that was?! Oooh!

I thought going off topic and asking fashion related questions in random threads was just the "in" thing to do.

Back to everyone complaining about not receiving their government handouts and being upset that republicans don't want to be forced to give up the cash they actually earned in order to steer this country towards communism.

I guess I should have posted my question under "worldly distractions!"

Sorry, were you looking for the Fox News message board?

[HomegirlRuby]

ut I am under no illusions that ANY of those things is due solely, or even primarily, to my own hard work. It was due to luck, genetics, white privilege, supportive parents, luck, government schools, the Dot-Com bubble, Planned Parenthood, the Internet, luck, my love of books, Amtrak, cheap state university, patience, patient friends and family, luck, cheap public transportation, more genetic lottery winning, learning a harsh lesson about credit early in life, luck, friends tipping me off for jobs, my dad having computers as a hobby, the Internet again, pulling a lot of all nighters, getting dumped by the wrong guy at the right time, and so on. Did I mention luck?

Well, I am a black woman - so I'm not sure how much of your "luck" theory holds true...

[Black Aliss]

I've learned a lot by reading on FJ...and it has propelled me to research more about ACA. I support the overall concept, but the "unimportant" details are confusing. May 3, 2014 when my oldest graduates from college, we'll have real experience using the exchanges. Browsing through plans on the MA health connector, his lowest premium will be $168 with a $2000 deductible (over $4000/year). He can stay on my husband's plan (Tricare young adult), it will be $156/month. Of course if he can't get a job, his income will be low enough to qualify for a subsidy.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question though...a first hand account of costs going down.

This isn't what you are looking for but my insurance costs (BCBS Heritage) went down by $100/month when the first part of the ACA kicked in last year. Because no one in my family has a chronic health condition we pretty much only see the doctors for preventive care. Now that preventive care is covered at 100% with no deductible I'm saving money by going to a plan with a slightly higher deductible and a co-pay for regular office visits. Everything else is the same as my original plan so if one of us does become seriously ill, or injured, the additional amount we would pay out of pocket would still be less than the $1200/year that I'm not paying in premiums. My employer also increased by a substantial amount our benefits for dental and vision care for this year. This coverage is fully paid by the company so I'm guessing their contribution to our BCBS plans has also decreased.

[docmom]

Well, I am a black woman - so I'm not sure how much of your "luck" theory holds true...

Are you suggesting that black people can't be lucky? Are you suggesting that the same luck that worked for the OP has nothing to do with black people being successful? Because if you are, I think you're wrong. I know a lot of successful black people (hell I'm married to one) and they'd be the first to agree that accidents of birth and luck along with hard work were instrumental in their success.

[OkToBeTakei]

Assholes making bad faith arguments like yours are why this country can't join the rest of the developed nations in good standards of living for their people. That decent standard of living is the 'nice thing' I was referring to.

Health care, total health care, not just emergency medical treatment, is not an entitlement, it's a human right. It is a human right enjoyed by every other developed nation, and most of the developing ones too. But we don't have it, because of selfish, scared, greedy jerks like you.

Thinking that you have nice things just because you work hard, and people that don't have things like jobs, food, health, comfort and security, are lacking because they don't work hard, is the ultimate in sense of entitlement.

I actually live a great life: a house and all the fixings, a job that pays well and is challenging but still allows a good work-life balance, a stay-at-home spouse to take excellent care of my wonderful child, comprehensive health care with minimal co-pays that I rarely have to use, and a sizable bank account in the event any of the preceding things change.

But I am under no illusions that ANY of those things is due solely, or even primarily, to my own hard work. It was due to luck, genetics, white privilege, supportive parents, luck, government schools, the Dot-Com bubble, Planned Parenthood, the Internet, luck, my love of books, Amtrak, cheap state university, patience, patient friends and family, luck, cheap public transportation, more genetic lottery winning, learning a harsh lesson about credit early in life, luck, friends tipping me off for jobs, my dad having computers as a hobby, the Internet again, pulling a lot of all nighters, getting dumped by the wrong guy at the right time, and so on. Did I mention luck?

Thousands of inconsequential choices, and direly important coincidences, some mine, many, many, many by other people, have led me into a comfortable existence, while no worse choices, but some much worse happenstances have a lot of my friends (and a lot of the nation) just scraping by, fighting bankruptcy, sacrificing almost everything for a sick kid, lonely, near homeless, or grinding things out at a job where they work a lot harder for less money and more stress. Some people have made way worse choices, and come out better than me, I have a few friends like that too. That's life for you, it's not actually a morality play, and thank goodness for that.

I believe in bigger government in the social sector, I would welcome European-style socialism, and I'm not at all concerned about it somehow morphing into a communist dictatorship because I'm not a paranoid idiot. I want a bigger, broader safety net, because I want to live in a country that doesn't have people dying, starving, suffering for lack of money. Where one bad decision, or one unfortunate accident, doesn't have to ruin someone's life. Where the class you are born into isn't where you are stuck. Where people get help rising above their circumstances, or making up for their mistakes, not scorn, and condemnation, and abandonment. Where compassion is celebrated, not consumption.

I am not so scared of losing what I have that I am afraid to pay more taxes to fund these things. (Although I think reducing our military budget should happen first.) Since I have no need of social services (though I really really would have liked one of those year-long Swedish maternity leaves), it follows that I can afford the extra money to help fund them for people that do. (And even some people that don't. I'm not scared of welfare frauds either, their drain on the economy is nothing compared to what we give away in subsidies to the rich.) If my circumstances change (and all it would take is one disabling accident to throw my life into chaos) then I want those services there.

ACA is just a start to relieving just one of the burdens that Americans place on each other, but it's something. Republican obstructionism isn't going to win, and by the time my kid is out in the world, hopefully we'll have even more socialism in America.

Bring back post of the week. :clap: :clap: :worship:

[Cartmann99]

I was just reading about the effects of the shutdown on food banks and Meals on Wheels. If are able to do so, please consider donating or increasing your donation to your local food bank or Meals on Wheels.

[OkToBeTakei]

Are you suggesting that black people can't be lucky? Are you suggesting that the same luck that worked for the OP has nothing to do with black people being successful? Because if you are, I think you're wrong. I know a lot of successful black people (hell I'm married to one) and they'd be the first to agree that accidents of birth and luck along with hard work were instrumental in their success.

I think the OP is alluding to the fact that out of EVERY point aelar made the only thing that applies to her is that. Or that this is the only part she relates to.

OR she alluded to this to further her own petty behaviour, no better way than to throw ethnicity in the mix.

OR is she saying only white people are lucky?

There again she/he appears to think socialism and communism are the same thing so I'm loathe to second guess any intelligent meaning to be honest.

[OkToBeTakei]

I've lived in Europe, and I've lived in the US. There are advantages and disadvantages to both systems. What frustrated me in Europe was that people really did seem to have the mentality that, if there was a problem or a need, they would have to wait for the government to fix it. As an American, I found this kind of surprising. For example, the German town I lived in had a shortage of preschool/daycare slots, so a LOT of women who wanted to work were at home and frustrated because they had no way to provide for their kids. I, in my American way, said, "Well, if so many of us need childcare, why don't we just start a daycare center ourselves?" I was told that this was not possible because there were waiting lists for people who wanted daycare licenses, and the licenses had to be filled in a particular order. On the OTHER hand, I have to admire the Europeans for considering the big picture of social, emotional, and financial needs of all the people when solving problems. I would agree that women, children, and the less wealthy are more secure, less anxious, and probably healthier there than here. The good health of the children becomes better health for many of the adults, who are then better able to contribute to the overall economy. I personally am not wedded to government being the answer to most or even many of our problems. There are times, though, when, through a series of otherwise unintended consequences, we end up with a problem that must be addressed on a systemic level. Where we are with healthcare now is one such problem. What we have now is untenable. We have been discussing the problem for most of my life. We really do have to solve it somehow. For the people who don't like the ACA, I say, "What alternative solution did you offer when we were having the discussion?" If you answer was to keep doing what we are doing, then I encourage you do look into the long-term projections of what it will cost us in terms of government spending, employer obligations, and lost economic opportunity because American companies must compete with international companies that do not have the expense of providing health insurance for their employees. (Not because the employees don't get healthcare; because it is not the EMPLOYER'S responsibility to provide it."

Hehehe. I saw this earlier and can understand why you would find it odd. Initially when I read it I was well that is the way it works what is the problem.

I realised I think like that because it is absolutely the normal for me. I live in the UK so have no knowledge of the German system really but here every child receives 2 years pre-school. It is free and is the right of every 3 yr old. If a place is not available you can be offered another maybe not of your choice or await a later intake. To start 'your own daycare' is wholly feasible and there are many. They are private and parents pay for these places. Here also legislation for working with vulnerable children is a lengthy process with many safety nets in place. Disclosure forms. Vetting etc etc. This for me is a good thing. No system is infallible but one with no oversight ie A group of disgruntled parents tired of the 'system' should be vetted exactly the same as the State pre-schools. This means Disclosure checks, health and safety, they should have clear fire regulations, policies procedures, qualified staff, audit, be answerable to OFSTED. Etc, etc, etc. The private preschool/nurseries are exactly all this. Money is no protector of children, legislation is. It is as you pointed out in the second part of your post the ideal on which socialised care is built.

The system can be difficult to fathom as in all aspects of socialised care if it is not a demographic norm for you, but no, I would not wish my child to be in a system which did not have these measures be it private or state.

[Coconut Flan]

To open a licensed pre-school where I live in the US, all of those factors have to handled also OTBT. It isn't a free for all. There isn't a waiting list for a license though as the one difference is the state doesn't set the number of pre-schools (as seems to be the case in Germany if I understood that post). If too many pre-schools get opened, then some of them will fail. Further though, if there is a shortage, then one person or a group can step in and go through the licensing process and fill the void.

[Talitha Cumi]

[link=http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-stands-firm-against-funding-bill-will-link-to-debt-ceiling-fight/article/2536750]This is why I blame the Republican crazies.[/link]

Republicans said Wednesday that the spending impasse that shut down the government early Tuesday is less about conservatives' desire to derail Obamacare than it is about strengthening their hand in the debt-ceiling talks. That borrowing limit must be raised by Oct. 17 to prevent the government from defaulting on its financial obligations and Republicans say any future agreement to reopen the government would link the spending bill and the debt ceiling.

“This is not just about Obamacare anymore,†centrist Rep. Michael Grimm, R-N.Y., said.

“We’re not going to be disrespected,†conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.â€

Remember when political parties had ideas about how to run the government? And the fighting was over which idea was better?

[OkToBeTakei]

To open a licensed pre-school where I live in the US, all of those factors have to handled also OTBT. It isn't a free for all. There isn't a waiting list for a license though as the one difference is the state doesn't set the number of pre-schools (as seems to be the case in Germany if I understood that post). If too many pre-schools get opened, then some of them will fail. Further though, if there is a shortage, then one person or a group can step in and go through the licensing process and fill the void.

I'm not familiar with the German system. I assumed it was not a free for all or hoped Hehe, just the way the OP said in an American fashion. I always assume we have different ways of getting to the same place on most issues and find generally when we explain the details there are few differences although some can appear to be.

Not to derail but do these private pre-schools have to follow a state mandated curriculum or some kind of measurable standard? (note I AM learning not to ask US..but each state.) Are they open to exactly the same checks as the state pre-schools, actually do free pre-school places exist?

I'm not sure if a waiting list exists here to be honest. Only that these things take time. Example a colleague has just been offered a new job and although she is obviously already vetted,disclosed via what we call PVG for her current job. Her new job requires a new PVG, this takes 6 weeks. This amongst all the above mentioned other legislative requirements would make starting a pre-school not a quick process.

A registered childminder here has to go through exactly the same. My friend from start to finish including the LA mandatory training was from application to receiving her first child 10 months. One wait was an electrician to wire her smoke alarm to the electrics in her house with battery back up. A requirement. In her time as a childminder she was visited twice by the Care commission inspectorate. She had to have care-plans for each child and mission statements for her 'vocation.' amongst many other requirements. The system is designed to deter some, that being said despite me thinking this is a good thing, she spent so much time writing said care-plans daily in the end the business became non-viable. She would/could not do her writing when the children were there. Yet doing them later impacted on her own children which was why she wished to do it in the first place.

[Mama Mia]

I do have one concern with the current way the ACA is being implemented. With businesses being given a one year pass, but the individual mandate starting this year, I am worried that the pressure will be off big business to provide benefits. I'm worried that the not quite poor to middle class folks in their mid-twenties to mid-thirties who are working for a company not offering benefits will end up carrying the load. I can see, for example, a large company like Walmart, cutting all their assistant managers and office staff to 35 hours a week so they don't have to provide benefits. And because these people have already started to pay through the exchanges this year, there won't be a big outcry when the employers don't provide these benefits next year.

I know that the subsidies will help a lot of people, but for someone who lives in a high cost area I think it could still be unaffordable. I just hope they either expand the subsidies or somehow hold the large employers accountable for providing coverage.

( Actually I really wish it was actual universal care with a public system instead of a prop up for insurance companies )

[jaynie]

“We’re not going to be disrespected,†conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.â€

Schoolyard cred, maybe?

[pattygbucks]

I do have one concern with the current way the ACA is being implemented. With businesses being given a one year pass, but the individual mandate starting this year, I am worried that the pressure will be off big business to provide benefits. I'm worried that the not quite poor to middle class folks in their mid-twenties to mid-thirties who are working for a company not offering benefits will end up carrying the load. I can see, for example, a large company like Walmart, cutting all their assistant managers and office staff to 35 hours a week so they don't have to provide benefits. And because these people have already started to pay through the exchanges this year, there won't be a big outcry when the employers don't provide these benefits next year.

I know that the subsidies will help a lot of people, but for someone who lives in a high cost area I think it could still be unaffordable. I just hope they either expand the subsidies or somehow hold the large employers accountable for providing coverage.

( Actually I really wish it was actual universal care with a public system instead of a prop up for insurance companies )

I'm not sure how the individual mandate will be enforced. My 26 yr old single nephew says he has no intention of buying health insurance. He is a mechanic with a small locally owned garage. He says the $95 fine is cheaper than any policy he could buy and he doesn't think he will get caught (or sick :roll: ) If eligible for a subsidy, do you pay for the costs upfront and then get a tax credit when you file? Many people do not understand that the tax refund check is the feds paying you back for the 0% interest loan you gave them. If you get a large refund...change your withholding.

Employers with over 50 employees are required to provide coverage and pay for 60% of the costs of said coverage. For the other 40% that will be employee out of pocket, are there subsidies with income limits (I think not)?

[Coconut Flan]

Pre-school is not a mandated curriculum that I've ever seen. The only free pre-school that is set up by the state would be for children with specific problems and it's more therapeutic with a few regular children added in sometimes or Head Start for socioeconomic disadvantaged children. The public curriculum is set district by district within state guidelines and then refined by each teacher. Because of changing the entry age in California, for a few years we're seeing some children get a year of basically K4 as the age shifts earlier in the year.

[Coconut Flan]

What I read (which may or not be correct but was on a .gov website) said that the fine will be taken from any refund and will be tracked by the IRS so it can accumulate and be taken from any future refunds.

[HomegirlRuby]

I think the OP is alluding to the fact that out of EVERY point aelar made the only thing that applies to her is that. Or that this is the only part she relates to.

OR she alluded to this to further her own petty behaviour, no better way than to throw ethnicity in the mix.

OR is she saying only white people are lucky?

There again she/he appears to think socialism and communism are the same thing so I'm loathe to second guess any intelligent meaning to be honest.

Well first off, I didn't throw ethnicity into the mix. I was not the one that said I was born "lucky" because of my white race, and I felt it was assumed that I, too, am white. Yes, there are black republicans. And female ones, too.

Secondly, communism IS a form of socialism, so... back to the books for you. The idea of diminishing class systems means that those who work hard will do so in order to support those that don't. Sorry - that certainly doesn't align with my beliefs. I don't go for "handouts" except in very rare and very extreme circumstances. I certainly do not think that the government has any right to control the business I worked hard to build, and I absolutely don't agree that my employees should have a say in how I choose to run my business. Incidentally, the implementation of obamacare means we will be cutting the hours of nearly 1/4 our employees and reducing them to part-time) - not sure how the government expects this "healthcare reform" to help people when many business owners like me will be reducing their work hours, thus slicing their weekly pay. But hey - affordable healthcare!!! right?

It amazes me how willing people are to give up their own power and allow the government to take it. So many liberals say they are about "freedom of choice" - but when Big Government takes over there is no choice.

It also surprises me that so many FJers support a President that was mentors by a self-admitted child rapist, Mr. Frank Marshall Davis - but I guess when you're busy collecting homebuyer credits and tanking the economy you ignore things like that?

[OkToBeTakei]

Well first off, I didn't throw ethnicity into the mix. I was not the one that said I was born "lucky" because of my white race, and I felt it was assumed that I, too, am white. Yes, there are black republicans. And female ones, too.

Secondly, communism IS a form of socialism, so... back to the books for you. The idea of diminishing class systems means that those who work hard will do so in order to support those that don't. Sorry - that certainly doesn't align with my beliefs. I don't go for "handouts" except in very rare and very extreme circumstances. I certainly do not think that the government has any right to control the business I worked hard to build, and I absolutely don't agree that my employees should have a say in how I choose to run my business. Incidentally, the implementation of obamacare means we will be cutting the hours of nearly 1/4 our employees and reducing them to part-time) - not sure how the government expects this "healthcare reform" to help people when many business owners like me will be reducing their work hours, thus slicing their weekly pay. But hey - affordable healthcare!!! right?

It amazes me how willing people are to give up their own power and allow the government to take it. So many liberals say they are about "freedom of choice" - but when Big Government takes over there is no choice.

It also surprises me that so many FJers support a President that was mentors by a self-admitted child rapist, Mr. Frank Marshall Davis - but I guess when you're busy collecting homebuyer credits and tanking the economy you ignore things like that?

From another thread.

HomegirlRuby wrote

I love not working and staying home. I can understand the need for some women to "want more" or need something else to occupy their time, but for me this is what I have always wanted to do. There is nothing I enjoy more than being the Big Cheese around here and deciding what is best for our family. I would go bonkers thinking about someone else taking care of Toddler - who is the greatest joy in my life and I wouldn't trade our days for anything in the world! I never did enjoy the "working world" (I do have my BA and have worked before). I think just as being a SAHM is not in the cards for some, being a working mom is absolutely not in the cards for me. I am far too busy during the day to experience much of the boredom and monotony some have discussed by some. While some say they feel as if their identity has been "taken" - I was so glad to put on my Mom hat and embrace that role. I think that whatever works best for ones particular situation is the route one should take. We aren't all supposed to take the same path.

So now you own a business and now 'discuss' my employees, 'my business?'

I should not because as well as just being a liar you are stupid. But because..in very brief

Socialism is primarily an economic system, while communism is both political

and economic.

That's just a wee hint because I'm kind to those who struggle with education.

[HomegirlRuby]

While my husband may be the president now, but it is our family name on the front of the building and he and I alone that began our company. Just because I am not working now does not mean that I do not assist in helping make these decisions. I am a SAHM now but did have a much different life before making the decision to stay home and be mom, not CFO.

I must say, it's a bit disturbing that you have taken such a special interest in my personal life.

[J'ean Skirt]

From another thread.

So now you own a business and now 'discuss' my employees, 'my business?'

:worship:

Must be a big one, too. The employer mandates don't go into effect unless you have more than 50 employees.

:dance:

[OkToBeTakei]

While my husband may be the president now, but it is our family name on the front of the building and he and I alone that began our company. Just because I am not working now does not mean that I do not assist in helping make these decisions. I am a SAHM now but did have a much different life before making the decision to stay home and be mom, not CFO.

I must say, it's a bit disturbing that you have taken such a special interest in my personal life.

:lol: :lol:

You posted it. I am no more interested except you are a fanny so I checked your posts. Love, here's another hint..if it's personal. Don't post it on a forum. Also try to be consistent when trolling threads.