Jinjer 31: Books, Books, and More Books

[SassyPants]

@Tatar-tot- Well, if it's purposeful, the Vuolos have managed not to birth a baby in the first year of marriage. They seem happy and engaged in the world around them, with varied interests other than procreation. Jin has not said or posted anything that that is outwardly cringe worthy. She seems happy. He does his thing, which I do not closely follow. They are far more polished than any other couple. Jin is like many other young, newly married women. Controlling fertility and limiting #s of children, and as far as we all know that is what they are doing, is a huge step in changing the trajectory of Jin's life. If they were actively trying, yet struggling with  procreating, like Michaela and Brandon, I'm sure that we'd have heard some requests for prayers from the clan.

I never, ever got the impression, especially in the later years, that Jin wanted her mother's life-

Perhaps these are the 2 who will determine that how many children you have has nothing to do with how you can impact the world and those around you, and you can be devout without forcing your version of religion onto others, even when in employed in the ministry.  I'm cautiously thinking that there might be hope for the Vuolos. 

[2manyKidzzz]

Music is a good discipline and could really give a lift to the children. Hopefully they are not pushy with the religion. 

[seraaa]

9 hours ago, nastyhobbitses said:

Having worked with nonprofits and political campaigns that were courting very wealthy donors, I'm not going to criticize any argument that gets Richley McRichington IV to sign the goddamn check.

Which is fair enough, tbh

[lomo6]

@SassyPants I have to agree. It's possible they're just great at hiding their emotional pain from their fertility struggles...but the Vuolos do not act like people whose only purpose in life is to make lots of babies. Not that this means Jeremy has successfully "rescued" Jinger - their views are still abhorent. But the hyper-focus on hyper-fertility is perhaps the most damaging aspect of the Duggar cult, IMHO, and I'll take whatever progress I can get. 

[Knight of Ni]

How long did it take Michaela to speak out about her fertility problems?

[VelociRapture]

33 minutes ago, Knight of Ni said:

How long did it take Michaela to speak out about her fertility problems?

I can’t remember the first time it was talked about. I believe the subject was broached soon after their first anniversary in August 2016. I also remember there may have been an episode featuring a party late last year for Alyssa (who was due with Lexi soon) brought the topic up as well. The first mention of it on their blog was June of this year. Michael wrote a really heartbreaking post about how hard it’s been for her. 

http://brandonandmichaela.com/2017/06/25/learning-to-trust/

The normal recommendation for a young and healthy couple is to try for a year. If no pregnancy has occurred at that point then the couple is will likely be referred to a fertility specialist to see what’s happening. It appears that’s what happened with the Keilens - that they may have started trying around the time they were married and they sought help from a specialist sometime after their first anniversary.

I don’t think we can really use how the Keilens handled their infertility struggle so far to predict how the Vuolos might handle one of their own though. For starters, we have no clue if they’re actually struggling to conceive or anything. There’s also the fact that they’re two very different couples. Even if they’re faced with similar or identical situations, there’s no guarantee that they’ll publicly react the way the Keilens have. Some couples choose to share and others choose not to - one size does not fit all. 

[justoneoftwo]

Also, the one year thing is average.  We tried for 1.5 before the doctor started taking us at all seriously.  Even then the GP gave some advice before referring us.  (For us that was great because the GP fixed the issue, but it was frustrating at the same time).

[BecausePrayer]

I have mixed feelings about the charity itself depending on the way religion is incorporated, but I truly do hope its ultimately good for the children. It really does seem great for Jinger & Jeremy to be involved though. Even if they are involved through Jeremy's mom it is giving her a glimpse of a charity working on a REAL issue in society, not just trying to convert Christians to a more conservative view or any of the other "missions" and "charity" work her family has done. This does of course assume that the charity is doing what it claims to be doing and isn't just pushing religion with a little music education for show.

[louisa05]

42 minutes ago, BecausePrayer said:

 This does of course assume that the charity is doing what it claims to be doing and isn't just pushing religion with a little music education for show.

Given that Jeremy's mother and sister are actually musicians, I'm guessing the music education component is legitimate. That doesn't mean there isn't a lot of religion pushed along with it, but it also doesn't mean that the religion is not just for show, either. 

[marmalade]

It wouldn't be the first time a charity hid their ulterior motives. I didn't react kindly to their hidden drop in explaining the religious aspect. Even if it's harmeless Jesus Loves Me stff, it looks like they're trying to hide something more nefarious. 

5 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

Given that Jeremy's mother and sister are actually musicians, I'm guessing the music education component is legitimate. That doesn't mean there isn't a lot of religion pushed along with it, but it also doesn't mean that the religion is not just for show, either. 

It's unclear whether Valerie is part of this unless she has time to volunteer during normal work hours. I guess it's possible they work on weekends, but that's also unclear. I don't think it's ever been established what Valerie actually does for a living. Is she a professional musician? I don't think I've ever learned what she does when not playing in her mom's bands. 

[Italiangirl]

Is there a way to know how much religione is push whit the charity work? Or you have to be involve to know how it really work? At least they are doing something Real with this charity, and not just selling old crap for show or trying to concerto christians to another more conservative flavour 

[HarleyQuinn]

I expect that anything the Vuolo's are pushing has a heavy dose of indoctrine in it. They likely just hide it like they do with that "crisis pregnancy center" his church pushes. 

[snickers34]

On 10/12/2017 at 2:18 PM, lomo6 said:

@SassyPants I have to agree. It's possible they're just great at hiding their emotional pain from their fertility struggles...but the Vuolos do not act like people whose only purpose in life is to make lots of babies.

Not to mention the fact that literally every single interview (that I recall) since they've been married, they've either skirted the issue or flat out ignored the prods. During the annoying interview with Daphne, her family kept hinting at one of the bedrooms in the new house being a nursery, and Jin flatout ignored it and focused on guest rooms and Jer's study. They also mentioned that the one year plan included whatever they said, but that the 5 year plan included kids. They had plenty of chances to re-enforce the 'we can't wait for kids and aren't preventing them' yet they didn't bite. In any normal family, it would be no big deal, but in this family, to me it spoke volumes.

[Haley]

5 minutes ago, snickers34 said:

Not to mention the fact that literally every single interview (that I recall) since they've been married, they've either skirted the issue or flat out ignored the prods. During the annoying interview with Daphne, her family kept hinting at one of the bedrooms in the new house being a nursery, and Jin flatout ignored it and focused on guest rooms and Jer's study. They also mentioned that the one year plan included whatever they said, but that the 5 year plan included kids. They had plenty of chances to re-enforce the 'we can't wait for kids and aren't preventing them' yet they didn't bite. In any normal family, it would be no big deal, but in this family, to me it spoke volumes.

Agreed. Especially when you compare them to couples like Joy and Austin who have said openly from the beginning they want as many kids as the Lord will provide...

[BullyJBG]

58 minutes ago, snickers34 said:

Not to mention the fact that literally every single interview (that I recall) since they've been married, they've either skirted the issue or flat out ignored the prods. During the annoying interview with Daphne, her family kept hinting at one of the bedrooms in the new house being a nursery, and Jin flatout ignored it and focused on guest rooms and Jer's study. They also mentioned that the one year plan included whatever they said, but that the 5 year plan included kids. They had plenty of chances to re-enforce the 'we can't wait for kids and aren't preventing them' yet they didn't bite. In any normal family, it would be no big deal, but in this family, to me it spoke volumes.

Jinger said something once about wanting a "house full of kids". Well, that's a broad statement, because they could easily have a small house, and then 2-4 kids is, literally, a "house full". But yeah, never saying " we want as many kids as the Lord will give us". Whatever they may have done to prevent, we'll never know. And Jessa said something about "no pressure" in one of the wedding episodes, and after that sister-video-chat where they were asking if she's pregnant yet, Jessa was the one to say "I told them not to ask!"

  It's interesting. I'm sure they carefully rehearse how they handle all those media questions, lol. The "why pants and shorts when you grew up skirts-only" answer likely is in storage somewhere. Maybe they're working on editing it to make it look like good TV. Or arguing with them about how it can be used if at all.

[snickers34]

3 minutes ago, BullyJBG said:

Jinger said something once about wanting a "house full of kids".

Totes! I'm sort of embarrassed that I know this...but that was before she got married. My observations were after she got married. Perhaps an important distinction, in that once she was out of JB's control she could be more subtly less quivery.

[SportsgalAnnie]

Maybe Jinger will be the first one to adopt. ( Whenever she's ready to have kids)

[BullyJBG]

Hmmmm, good point. They've never talked of adoption, and Ben and Jessa have, so maybe they'd surprise us.

[Bad Wolf]

Baby adoptions tend to go to infertile couples, unless it's a private adoption. Then the birth parents can choose the adoptive parents. If they wanted an older child, then they might want to start with foster to adopt. But we have no idea what they really want.

[awkwardblackchick]

1 hour ago, BullyJBG said:

Jinger said something once about wanting a "house full of kids".

Maybe she really LOVES baby goats!? lol

[elliha]

I still have my bet on an announcement late this year for them but yes, I am very glad that they have gotten this first year together without babies. I think they were preventing at least for the first 6-8 months but I think that they have now moved on to the next level and that Jinger may very well be early in her first pregnancy now. 

[llg1234]

Probably because most people are at work, Jinger.

And another pic:

Spoiler

 

Someone in the comments said it looked like the Cinemark in Laredo. They probably went to go see A Question of Faith. Or who knows, maybe they saw IT.

[habert]

maybe Mother!

[laikawolf]

I think there's a 99% chance they went to see A Question of Faith. They usually only show those Christian films in the afternoons (because why waste valuable evening screen time on that schlock?) The L.A. Times review of it says, "As a movie, it’s a religious pamphlet with actors." 

[seraaa]

I assume Jeremy takes Mondays off, what with the Pastor-ing on Sunday?