(CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 46: Counting On - 16 Weeks Until Sentencing

[TheJewAmongUs]

1 hour ago, SassyPants said:

Does anyone here think that JB and M knew/know how to love, nurture and raise children in a manner that would/could lead to healthy adults, and functioning, successful members of society at large?  Do any of these people have the skills needed to live independently from the mothership? Why did the Duggars join the cult in the first place?

I don't think they ever thought far enough ahead towards sending them out into society. Before the TV show came a long they probably thought they'd be labor for the family businesses. That's what so many other fundies do.

I would say that the first 5-6 kids got a good amount of parental attention. Because they had to be self-sufficient before they started raising toddlers. And even with Jana still hanging around, I think the youngest 5 plus Tyler get a good amount of attention from them. So it will be interesting to see which half is the better half to spend with your parents. The first 8 years of your childhood or the last 8 years of your childhood.

The middles are screwed though.

[MedicineWoman]

6 minutes ago, FleeJanaFree said:

Can you give us the link , or topic name, or username so we can read the comments? I don’t see anything under the ‘hot’ posts on Duggar snark. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/rcsmp2/megathread_4_ding_dong_duggar_in_jail/hnx8oal?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

[vienna]

What are the rules in fundyland in such a case? Who is Annas headship und umbrella of protection now? 

[Snarkasarus Rex]

5 minutes ago, FleeJanaFree said:

Can you give us the link , or topic name, or username so we can read the comments? I don’t see anything under the ‘hot’ posts on Duggar snark. 

It’s on Pickles’ page, so take with a large grain of salt…

[purple_summer]

16 minutes ago, MedicineWoman said:

I saw this on Reddit. The original conversation happened on the Duggar FB page and is probably long deleted. Whether or not it's true, this is what I imagine is happening behind closed doors. It explains why Justin would thumbs up to the camera

While it wasn’t nearly as serious a crime, I’ve been on the receiving end of similar abuse. It’s what caused a huge rift in our cult/home church and lead to a bit of an exodus. 
 

Spoiler

Vehicle needed repair on a multi-day road trip? My fault for listening to secular music and buying a sports magazine. 
Cult leader’s daughter runs away? Our fault for being “mean”. 
Remember the movie “Drumline”? They heard “one band, one sound” and ran with it. 
 

It’s been over a decade and they still openly blame everyone else for problems they created. There is no remorse with these types.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the kids at home (or receiving support) lose what few creature comforts they still have. 

[MedicineWoman]

Just now, Snarkasarus Rex said:

It’s on Pickles’ page, so take with a large grain of salt…

My bad, I misread that. Yeah I don't trust her. Jeremy's theology is also gross but differs from the Duggars so I could see this being a prayer request. 

[SassyPants]

6 minutes ago, Magenta said:

Anna is responsible for providing for her children.  If that means applying for government assistance, so be it.  us lesser mortals have done that for our children.  

I hope she does it sooner, rather than later.

Boy, this day has been long in coming. Josh is being punished for his crimes and JB has pretty much been told that his ways and approach are wrong, and IMO, contributed to Josh’s dysfunctional behaviors. JB has to be told that  you can not isolate, withhold outside contact and education, refuse to work or  let other people live their own lives, and expect your kids to thrive and others to respect you. 

[Mela99]

Can someone explain this to me - is there something in Fundie ideology that says it’s okay to lie for the benefit of yourself? I keep thinking about that and wondering why they aren’t afraid for their souls.

JB cannot believe that horseshit he’s trying to sell. He knows it’s a lie. He knows he lied on the stand.
He knows Josh is guilty.

Why isn’t this an unbelievable sin on all their parts to try and perpetuate this?

[HerNameIsBuffy]

22 minutes ago, SPHASH said:

Smallest is an ass for what he did but he is nowhere near the blight on society that Smuggar and Ghislaine Maxwell are

And it's not like they're watching TV or following Twitter.  In the future googling their own name will bring up what happened.  I mean going forward there will always be an association of the Duggar name with CSAM.  

3 minutes ago, vienna said:

What are the rules in fundyland in such a case? Who is Annas headship und umbrella of protection now? 

Well in his statement they said they'd be there for her "In the days going forward." But he's supported them their entire lives together, this isn't more money for JB it's one less mouth to feed.

Anyone notice how the "for the love and prayers of so many" line is just there to remind us, the readers, how loved they are?  

They admitted they know he's guilty though.  You wouldn't "still love" your son if he was innocent.  You'd be furious and with your huge platform rally support to help fight the injustice.  

[Father Son Holy Goat]

This may be the beginning of Josh’s problems. Under a new law, child sexual abuse victims have until age 55 to bring charges. Josh’s childhood victims can now press charges.

https://greenandgillispie.com/in-the-news/arkansas-extends-statute-of-limitations-for-child-sex-abusers/

 

Edited December 10, 2021 by Father Son Holy Goat

[SamanthasMom]

Josh might not be able to profit from a book, but I would not be surprised if one of his siblings or cousin Amy released a tell-all quickly before interest in the family wanes.

[Father Son Holy Goat]

43 minutes ago, SPHASH said:

Smollett is an ass for what he did but he is nowhere near the blight on society that Smuggar and Ghislaine Maxwell are

Now that’s all I need, Maxwell in prison.

[Fjrocks]

  UGH!  Can I rant about Pickles and WOACB???

 Both of them have in their postings included Josh's booking details, which doxes the home address of his kids. 

   Spare me your conspiracy theories and outrage and worry about his children all for clicks and attention.   Clean up screenshots before you post them, that's incredibly unsafe. 

 They both should publicly apologize.   They would be furious is someone endangered them like that.

Edited December 10, 2021 by Fjrocks
.....deep breaths

[Father Son Holy Goat]

Just now, Fjrocks said:

  UGH!  Can I rant about Pickles and WOACB???

 Both of them have in their postings included Josh's booking details, which doxes the home address of his kids. 

 Yes,  spare me your conspiracy theories and outrage and worry about his children.   Clean up screenshots before you post them, that's incredible unsafe.  

Pickles and WOACB?

[adidas]

2 minutes ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

Pickles and WOACB?

Without a Crystal Ball. 

[nausicaa]

1 hour ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

I agree with you on the sentence.  Obviously I want the max, but it should at least be over 15.

I have a weird hunch it may not be Anna's choice whether she again "at least has a husband" when he gets out.

• Ronnie DeFeo has been married twice in prison, to women he met after he was behind bars, despite the fact that they only knew who he was from the press when he killed his family.
• Jeffrey MacDonald, the family annihilator, married again after he had been in prison for years.
• In 2010 Charles Manson got a 26 year old girlfriend in jail who wanted to marry him.

I think it's very conceivable that women with this pathology write to Josh in jail and he develops some jailhouse romance and he's the one who leaves Anna.  

Some delusional girl writing to him all about her love for him and wanting to save him or delusional Anna visiting and talking about the kids and his parents.  

I think that's more likely than her leaving him.

I never thought of a jailhouse romance, but I can see it. 

I think either way Josh will divorce Anna if his sentence is any longer than five years. He's never been a true believer. He finds the dad-of-many stuff tiring and annoying at best. If he can't reap any of the Duggar benefits, he'll just leave that whole scene behind altogether. 

His personality differences with Anna will only increase after years in prison. It will ultimately be best for everyone, I think. 

[TheJewAmongUs]

19 minutes ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

This may be the beginning of Josh’s problems. Under a new law, child sexual abuse victims have until age 55 to bring charges. Josh’s childhood victims can now press charges.

https://greenandgillispie.com/in-the-news/arkansas-extends-statute-of-limitations-for-child-sex-abusers/

 

From the link:

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Senate Bill 676, or the “Justice for Vulnerable Victims of Sexual Abuse Act” will allow Arkansas child sex abuse survivors to file civil claims against those who harmed them past the existing age of 21 up to the age of 55

They can sue him. But they'd have to unravel his shady LLCs to collect and it would be taking money away from Anna, the agent of several of those LLCs.

[HoneyBunny]

Thinking about the comments that Anna should have left Josh years ago, when his sexual predation as a teenager first was made public, or at least certainly over the Ashley Madison kerfuffle…

She was screwed the minute she married him (I might even say the minute she accepted his proposal). She would have been blamed for his behavior by those whose opinions matter the most to her, eg if she had been a faithful helpmeet, she could have kept him from trouble. I can almost hear Lori Alexander saying something just like that because she’s said it so often in the past about others.  “Win him without a word” and “helping your husband overcome his porn addiction through prayer”.

The acceptance of total lack of accountability for male fundies runs deep in these circles.

Anna sacrificed a happy married life for a short term shot at fame, but I believe she knew what she was getting into. Let’s face it, most of us, if we were dating someone with even a hint of this kind of perversion, would turn tail and run.  

Edited December 10, 2021 by HoneyBunny

[Mlissmartin]

44 minutes ago, Mela99 said:

Can someone explain this to me - is there something in Fundie ideology that says it’s okay to lie for the benefit of yourself? I keep thinking about that and wondering why they aren’t afraid for their souls.

JB cannot believe that horseshit he’s trying to sell. He knows it’s a lie. He knows he lied on the stand.
He knows Josh is guilty.

Why isn’t this an unbelievable sin on all their parts to try and perpetuate this?

Cognitive dissonance

44 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

And it's not like they're watching TV or following Twitter.  In the future googling their own name will bring up what happened.  I mean going forward there will always be an association of the Duggar name with CSAM.  

Well in his statement they said they'd be there for her "In the days going forward." But he's supported them their entire lives together, this isn't more money for JB it's one less mouth to feed.

Anyone notice how the "for the love and prayers of so many" line is just there to remind us, the readers, how loved they are?  

They admitted they know he's guilty though.  You wouldn't "still love" your son if he was innocent.  You'd be furious and with your huge platform rally support to help fight the injustice.  

They definitely believe he's guilty. They just don't think he should be punished. (In my eyes anyways, I can't mind read)

[waltraute]

51 minutes ago, Mela99 said:

Can someone explain this to me - is there something in Fundie ideology that says it’s okay to lie for the benefit of yourself? I keep thinking about that and wondering why they aren’t afraid for their souls.

JB cannot believe that horseshit he’s trying to sell. He knows it’s a lie. He knows he lied on the stand.
He knows Josh is guilty.

Why isn’t this an unbelievable sin on all their parts to try and perpetuate this?

They can twist a lie around enough in their heads to believe it's the truth. And besides, for many of them, I'm staring straight at Jim Bob here, it really isn't about God or religion or faith. It's about money and power and fame and patriarchy. I don't think he is trying to justify his actions to himself, because he is always right. Therefore, if it came out of his mouth, it's the truth, and he doesn't need to think any more on it. I don't think he worries about his relationship with God the creator. He's more concerned with the relationship with his true God - money and power.

[Lurker]

So many people want to believe Anna is still the shy, sheltered girl she was before her marriage.  But she went to DC with Smugger, and has been politically active while at home in Arkansas.  She has public opinions about subjects that impact the lives of others such as abortion, women’s rights, trans rights, gay marriage, etc.   She as part of the Christian Dominionist cult political movement  that worships trump, guns,  freedom from any law or regulation they disagree with, along with a mission to impose their vision of a theocracy in their image on the rest of the US.

IMO, she is angry upset that  Josh is guilty,  not heartbroken and does not have empathy for the victims of his crimes much less his sisters.  She is as souless as he is.  She will do what will benefit her comfort, not worrying if it would be better for them M’s to have a fresh start someplace else.  

My opinion, it may be unpopular,  she does not deserve our sympathy.

Edited December 10, 2021 by Lurker

[Freejin]

I’m trying to remember but can’t - what was JB responding to when he said “I won’t allow it”?

 

[Mela99]

I’m trying to remember but can’t - what was JB responding to when he said “I won’t allow it”?
 

Wouldn’t allow the questioning about Josh’s past

[Father Son Holy Goat]

29 minutes ago, TheJewAmongUs said:

From the link:

They can sue him. But they'd have to unravel his shady LLCs to collect and it would be taking money away from Anna, the agent of several of those LLCs.

What do we think are the chances of this happening?

[WiseGirl]

My usual People magazine updates. This one describes Smuggar when he was found guilty.

https://people.com/tv/what-it-was-like-in-court-when-josh-duggar-verdict-was-read/

And JB and Michele are back to being a lead story on People as well.

https://people.com/tv/jim-bob-michelle-duggar-speak-out-after-josh-found-guilty-child-porn-charges/