(CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 46: Counting On - 16 Weeks Until Sentencing

[SillyDillys]

28 minutes ago, FunFunFundie said:

"Girls," I said, to my three daughters who are playing together on our living room floor. "I just need you to know - I love you so very much. And I'm proud of each of you. And I'm here for you, always, no matter what."

"Mom," the oldest said. "Why are you crying?" 

Here's to protecting the smallest among us, to ending generational trauma, and to shitbags going to jail.

I made a vow to my baby girl that I will do my hardest to keep her safe when she is in this world. 

[Magenta]

The best that can be hoped for is that Anna and the kids band together with Jill and Derrick.  

[nelliebelle1197]

1 hour ago, gustava said:

Please take this to a new topic.

Please don't police other members' content. You have been around long enough to know better. Thread drift is allowed.

[SassyPants]

1 minute ago, freealljs said:

I think that JB should focus on his family instead of running for Senate. Maybe he thought that Josh would be found not guilty, because of the Duggar name. Boy was JB wrong! 
 

I found Derick’s statement more personal than JB and Michelle’s. It looks like Derick wrote from his heart and JB and Michelle picked a statement from a PR website. 

JB is a stunted, uneducated man who has never existed in the real world. I think for his level of understanding humanity, empathy and how the real world works, his statement was decent. Derick knows better. He is a very educated and traveled young man. Derick, despite some of his horrid beliefs, has functioned and lived in our world. His statement is more reflective of how a more compassionate and empathetic person would reason and respond. JB is fully capable of going all, Trump, Christian persecution, victim blaming. I, for one, am glad that JB did not go down that path, at least today. I would not be surprised if in the future, when the shock and denial have worn off, that he does so-

[shesinsane]

Prior to today, I bet many Duggars didn't know who Jussie Smollett was - he's never acted in a Christian film, and being openly gay, I doubt he'll ever be cast in one. He was also found guilty today, and his conviction was the top story on national nightly news. 

From now on, the Duggars will all know Jussie Smollett as the actor who got convicted the same day as Josh. Jim Bob, Michelle, and other Duggars in denial likely appreciate Smollett directing the media's attention elsewhere.

[EyesOpen]

Im Sorry for Josh’s children, for his sisters and other victims, I’m sick for any victims of CSAM. I’ve learned more than I ever wanted to know about it but it needs to be brought in to the light and stopped…

im sorry for Anna… she’s been gas lighted, lied to, brainwashed and withheld education and opportunity. I still think she should have made different decisions at certain points but I can’t imagine living her life with the limited education and experiences she’s had along with the cult training she’s been raised with… 

I do not feel one ounce of pity or sadness for Jim bob or Michelle… I would even be willing to extend Josh an ounce of pity for not getting help when he desperately needed it… but he could have stopped and said I need help as an adult; like other addicts who hit rock bottom sometimes do… but not one feeling for him bob or Michelle. They are utter failures as parents, as Christians… as any sort of examples. They are grifters at the best and abusers of their children. Not ever buying what they’re selling. 

[SassyPants]

9 minutes ago, shesinsane said:

Prior to today, I bet many Duggars didn't know who Jussie Smollett was - he's never acted in a Christian film, and being openly gay, I doubt he'll ever be cast in one. He was also found guilty today, and his conviction was the top story on national nightly news. 

From now on, the Duggars will all know Jussie Smollett as the actor who got convicted the same day as Josh. Jim Bob, Michelle, and other Duggars in denial likely appreciate Smollett directing the media's attention elsewhere.

For the M kids I am grateful that the Smollett verdict overshadowed their father’s.

[Glasgowghirl]

Glad he got was found guilty, his victims deserve justice but I’m also sad for his children, while it will be better for them not to have their dad around them, they will still be hurting right now, especially Mack, Micheal and Marcus. 

[gustava]

1 hour ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

Josh is also one of the oldest,

The oldest

[Dandruff]

49 minutes ago, waltraute said:

Now that Josh has been convicted, could he spill his guts, sell out JB, and receive any money for it? I thought a conviction meant money for his story was off the table. If that's true then his conviction might be in JB's best interest too. 

Even if Josh decided to spill beans without financial compensation, he might not have the credibility to pull it off.  I'm pretty sure his targets would deny anything really damaging.  There's also the chance of losing a good chunk of his commissary allowance.

[Analytica49]

I've been thinking bout the M-kids ever since I heard that Josh-Jerk was (rightly) found guilty.

At first I mainly thought, how horrible to carry the burden of a father, guilty of such a despicable crime, and serving time in prison for it. That will be a terrible thing for each one of them to understand and live with.

But then it occurred to me that there are multiple advantages to this verdict.

1) They will now be safe, at least for X years, from their father predatory behaviour.

2) If I am right, Josh-Jerk never cared much for most of them, especially those born after M2 or M3, so it's not as if great love is suddenly disappearing from their lives.

3) Josh-Jerk has been absent a fair amount--first in Jesus Jail, then at the Rebers'. Maybe it already feels somewhat normal not to have their father around, and for there to be a puzzling aura around his absence.

4) They have many aunts and uncles, not to mention all the cousins, in their lives. They are not alone. Although Anna has been described as now being a "single mother," she is not remotely on her own. I suspect Josh-Jerk hasn't done much in years to "help" with his offspring. Maybe the M kids have fun with Uncle Jackson or Aunt Jo-Hanna. Maybe Aunt Jana teaches them gardening. Maybe Aunt Kendra offers them a certain optimism and cheerfulness. What I'm saying is, I'm hoping Josh-Jerk's absence makes only a slight (if any) absence in their lives, which other family members can fill. (Of course, the sad part is that along with all the aunts' and uncles' attention  there is probably plenty of indoctrination and brainwashing and role-policing, so I am NOT saying their childhood will be free of serious problems.)

5) Now that the sperm-provider is gone, there won't be more and more baby brothers and sisters for years and years, if ever. So there are "only" the seven of them struggling for Mommy's attention.

 

[gustava]

32 minutes ago, nelliebelle1197 said:

Please don't police other members' content. You have been around long enough to know better. Thread drift is allowed.

I do know  and understand.  I'd like to comment on the Rittenhouse case,but don't want to detract from the Josh conviction.  I think it deserves its own thread.

Edited December 10, 2021 by gustava
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[louisa05]

3 hours ago, TuringMachine said:

Emily D Baker is discussing possible sentencing right now. She's predicting somewhere in the 8-12 year range. 15 years if the judge really thinks he needs the book thrown at him. She thinks the maximum of 20 is incredibly unlikely. 

I haven't followed her for long so I'm not sure how credible she is though.

My cousin is a mitigation specialist. I asked her what she thinks. She said mitigation rarely reduces a sentence when CSA is involved. The molestations  can be freely discussed at sentencing and the reality tv documentation of a shiny happy youth and marriage will make it hard to claim anything in his life set him up for this proclivity. Her prediction is something close to the maximum. 

[SassyPants]

13 minutes ago, Analytica49 said:

I've been thinking bout the M-kids ever since I heard that Josh-Jerk was (rightly) found guilty.

At first I mainly thought, how horrible to carry the burden of a father, guilty of such a despicable crime, and serving time in prison for it. That will be a terrible thing for each one of them to understand and live with.

But then it occurred to me that there are multiple advantages to this verdict.

1) They will now be safe, at least for X years, from their father predatory behaviour.

2) If I am right, Josh-Jerk never cared much for most of them, especially those born after M2 or M3, so it's not as if great love is suddenly disappearing from their lives.

3) Josh-Jerk has been absent a fair amount--first in Jesus Jail, then at the Rebers'. Maybe it already feels somewhat normal not to have their father around, and for there to be a puzzling aura around his absence.

4) They have many aunts and uncles, not to mention all the cousins, in their lives. They are not alone. Although Anna has been described as now being a "single mother," she is not remotely on her own. I suspect Josh-Jerk hasn't done much in years to "help" with his offspring. Maybe the M kids have fun with Uncle Jackson or Aunt Jo-Hanna. Maybe Aunt Jana teaches them gardening. Maybe Aunt Kendra offers them a certain optimism and cheerfulness. What I'm saying is, I'm hoping Josh-Jerk's absence makes only a slight (if any) absence in their lives, which other family members can fill. (Of course, the sad part is that along with all the aunts' and uncles' attention  there is probably plenty of indoctrination and brainwashing and role-policing, so I am NOT saying their childhood will be free of serious problems.)

5) Now that the sperm-provider is gone, there won't be more and more baby brothers and sisters for years and years, if ever. So there are "only" the seven of them struggling for Mommy's attention.

 

I don’t think the biggest problem is an absent father. I tend to believe he was always rather absent, but the reason for his absence and where he is currently located.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

2 hours ago, Alisamer said:

I’m really hoping he gets in the 15 year range. 

5 years, and Madyson will be 5 and Mackenzie won’t yet be 18, I think. They’ll still have actual “kids”, and I think Anna might stay with him. 

15 years? Madyson will be a 15 year old whose only ever seen her dad in prison visits. He will probably have missed the older kids weddings and probably the birth of a couple grandkids. I can’t imagine her not coming to her senses at some point if it’s that long.

 

I agree with you on the sentence.  Obviously I want the max, but it should at least be over 15.

I have a weird hunch it may not be Anna's choice whether she again "at least has a husband" when he gets out.

• Ronnie DeFeo has been married twice in prison, to women he met after he was behind bars, despite the fact that they only knew who he was from the press when he killed his family.
• Jeffrey MacDonald, the family annihilator, married again after he had been in prison for years.
• In 2010 Charles Manson got a 26 year old girlfriend in jail who wanted to marry him.

I think it's very conceivable that women with this pathology write to Josh in jail and he develops some jailhouse romance and he's the one who leaves Anna.  

Some delusional girl writing to him all about her love for him and wanting to save him or delusional Anna visiting and talking about the kids and his parents.  

I think that's more likely than her leaving him.

Edited December 10, 2021 by HerNameIsBuffy

[Tatar-tot]

3 hours ago, karenb4729 said:

Wow, just watching Daily Blast Live on TV and they are covering the story and really blasting JB and Michelle for doing nothing during the molestations.  I don't know if you can view the video somewhere but it was a great segment

Found the video on Daily Blast Live webpage, its on the main page- their show from today.

https://www.dailyblastlive.com/

It’s under videos about 4 down.

[PlentyOfJesusFishInTheSea]

1 hour ago, Antimony said:

It's a 3/4th cup with lines on it so it should be right. I don't have a 1/4th stand alone cup so I went for this, but it's a little smaller than my 1/3rd cup measure, so that tracks to me. That also has mL on it and the 1/4th cup line lives between the 40 and 80 mL lines. 

I did a rough, not fine chop (cause hash) so you might be able to fit a little more bell pepper in the space with finer chopping. The whole pepper was used in the hash, though, and wasn't that much of a feature of the total metal in my cast iron (which is 10 or 12 inches and 3.5 inches deep, but I'm not sure what the volume on it is.)

It's a baffling small amount of bell pepper for a much larger recipe, in any case. It lives rent free in my head, truly, because this goes with a 1 pound velveeta and a whole box of spaghetti in Anna's original recipe. 

Ahh, makes sense! It's definitely not very much pepper! I don't thing these ppl eat a lot of veggies.

[libgirl2]

4 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

I agree with you on the sentence.  Obviously I want the max, but it should at least be over 15.

I have a weird hunch it may not be Anna's choice whether she again "at least has a husband" when he gets out.

• Ronnie DeFeo has been married twice in prison, to women he met after he was behind bars, despite the fact that they only knew who he was from the press when he killed his family.
• Jeffrey MacDonald, the family annihilator, married again after he had been in prison for years.
• In 2010 Charles Manson got a 26 year old girlfriend in jail who wanted to marry him.

I think it's very conceivable that women with this pathology write to Josh in jail and he develops some jailhouse romance and he's the one who leaves Anna.  

Some delusional girl writing to him all about her love for him and wanting to save him or delusional Anna visiting and talking about the kids and his parents.  

I think that's more likely than her leaving him.

Interesting idea. 

[SassyPants]

I think Josh divorcing Anna would be the kindest behavior he could bestow on her

[MedicineWoman]

I saw this on Reddit. The original conversation happened on the Duggar FB page and is probably long deleted. Whether or not it's true, this is what I imagine is happening behind closed doors. It explains why Justin would thumbs up to the camera

[Dana723]

Do we have a verdict yet?

 

Just kidding...I had a day at work where I couldn't get away so I told everyone I had tummy issues so I could sprint to the bathroom and check Twitter every so often.  Hurray for justice!

[SPHASH]

1 hour ago, SassyPants said:

For the M kids I am grateful that the Smollett verdict overshadowed their father’s.

Smollett is an ass for what he did but he is nowhere near the blight on society that Smuggar and Ghislaine Maxwell are

Edited December 10, 2021 by SPHASH
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[SassyPants]

So financially speaking and in the absence of litigation (and ethics, morals as JB as none), JB is not legally compelled to support Josh’s family, correct?   I wonder if JB will encourage Anna to apply for government services? I could see JB, the grifter, being one of those who believe government is there for his family, but not others.  

4 minutes ago, SPHASH said:

Smallest is an ass for what he did but he is nowhere near the blight on society that Smuggar and Ghislaine Maxwell are

And he will likely receive a year or less for his transgressions. Smugger and the Duggars  are lucky that the verdicts were reached on the same day.

[Magenta]

4 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

So financially speaking and in the absence of litigation (and ethics, morals as JB as none), JB is not legally compelled to support Josh’s family, correct?   I wonder if JB will encourage Anna to apply for government services? I could see JB, the grifter, being one of those who believe government is there for his family, but not others.  

Anna is responsible for providing for her children.  If that means applying for government assistance, so be it.  us lesser mortals have done that for our children.  

[FleeJanaFree]

16 minutes ago, MedicineWoman said:

I saw this on Reddit. The original conversation happened on the Duggar FB page and is probably long deleted. Whether or not it's true, this is what I imagine is happening behind closed doors. It explains why Justin would thumbs up to the camera

Can you give us the link , or topic name, or username so we can read the comments? I don’t see anything under the ‘hot’ posts on Duggar snark.