Nesther 6: Skydiving Straight into the Wedding Square

[llucie]

Civilians already habe been killed in Kyiev. This is not his usual photo op "helping" people. He can actually die there.

Bringing suplies obviously is a good thing and they are actually doing some good there, but that photo giving a lesson doesnt make much sense, unless he is pretending to be /impersonating a doctor and i am pretty sure that is illegal even on a warzone...

[formergothardite]

57 minutes ago, Mama Mia said:

Is he an EMT or something

This is what he says his qualifications are. 
 

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Nathan is the Medic Corps Chief of Operations.  He is a commercial fixed wing and helicopter pilot, a certified flight instructor, SCUBA Diver and a rescue specialist. Nathan has served in emergency services as a first responder, firefighter and a law enforcement officer

The Bates lie and stretch the truth to fit a narrative, so without them listing the exact certifications he has and where and when he got them,  I’m going to question his “service” as a first responder, fire fighter and leo. 
 

And since it sounded like he was the one who shouted out that racist remark making fun of a black man being murdered, the idea that he got himself over to a war zone where people from all walks of life might depend on him is terrifying. 

[SassyPants]

Is there any documented evidence that any of these people have responded and provided emergency medical care or rescued anyone in the heat of an ongoing, critical situation? What sort of hard skills do these folks possess that would be helpful during a war? Catastrophic on the ground emergency ( think tornado, flood, storm, fire, earthquake)? A large scale medical emergency or evacuation? 

My husband and I were talking about how we could help, and the only tangible thing we could think of was financial support. And my husband is a jack of all trades, and I am a retired ICU nurse. Best help I could come up with was donating blood, so I did that. And maybe my donation locally will concentrically free up the supply to allow for use in other areas. 

How presumptuous of them to think that they are God’s gift to disaster relief.

[Mama Mia]

Yea, I haven’t really followed anything about their particular experience, just thinking of all the firefighters and related fields that come in from all over the place when we have our never+ending fires. Or when we had a major earthquake and there were all sorts of volunteers all over the place. Many not from the area, because the people in the catastrophe are dealing with their own losses. 

[formergothardite]

12 minutes ago, Mama Mia said:

Yea, I haven’t really followed anything about their particular experience, just thinking of all the firefighters and related fields that come in from all over the place when we have our never+ending fires. Or when we had a major earthquake and there were all sorts of volunteers all over the place. Many not from the area, because the people in the catastrophe are dealing with their own losses. 

There might be people who are part of the group who have real training that is useful, but I don't think that Nathan is one of them. They are very careful to imply he has certification without saying he does. The rest of the rest of the members who do have education, training and certification they specifically say so. Nathan just gets the vague "served" with no mention of what his education and certifications are. Which pretty much means he has none. 

Since he has passed himself off as a dentist before and is now parading about dressed as a doctor, my feeling is that they are just straight up lying about his qualifications or being intentionally vague in hopes no one has time to find out that Nathan is untrained and needs to be shipped back to America. 

[SassyPants]

37 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

There might be people who are part of the group who have real training that is useful, but I don't think that Nathan is one of them. They are very careful to imply he has certification without saying he does. The rest of the rest of the members who do have education, training and certification they specifically say so. Nathan just gets the vague "served" with no mention of what his education and certifications are. Which pretty much means he has none. 

Since he has passed himself off as a dentist before and is now parading about dressed as a doctor, my feeling is that they are just straight up lying about his qualifications or being intentionally vague in hopes no one has time to find out that Nathan is untrained and needs to be shipped back to America. 

Agreed. There’s training that qualifies people to volunteer that requires learning skills and information and being tested (written and hands on) to confirm that you have the skills to help vs being a hindrance. Yes, the Duggars and Bateses have all had training, but I’d imagine most of that training is biblically based and not grounded in science or processes that must be adhered to when placed in emergency situations. Just thinking you’re qualified or need to show your face does not mean that you are actually, or worse, a disaster waiting to happen. 

[BensAllergies]

3 hours ago, formergothardite said:

Since he has passed himself off as a dentist before and is now parading about dressed as a doctor, my feeling is that they are just straight up lying about his qualifications or being intentionally vague in hopes no one has time to find out that Nathan is untrained and needs to be shipped back to America. 

I’m not saying this to be unkind but I think Nathan’s play acting as a dentist or doctor would be less persuasive if he looked his age (28, or younger when he acted like a dentist). In the pictures I saw linked on the MedicCorps thread, he looked like he is 40.

[samurai_sarah]

7 hours ago, SassyPants said:

Agreed. There’s training that qualifies people to volunteer that requires learning skills and information and being tested (written and hands on) to confirm that you have the skills to help vs being a hindrance. Yes, the Duggars and Bateses have all had training, but I’d imagine most of that training is biblically based and not grounded in science or processes that must be adhered to when placed in emergency situations. Just thinking you’re qualified or need to show your face does not mean that you are actually, or worse, a disaster waiting to happen. 

To add to your post: Language skills. Not everyone in the world knows English.

[ItalianSceptic]

Exactly. Only young people speak English there. Most of the others speak Russian or Ukrainian. How do I know? I am a Russian graduate that spent some time living there.
This Is the reason why I feel so angry to them. I am very sensitive to the subject.

[WiseGirl]

I can't with these cosplaying, attention seeking Batessessess. They could have just sent the money or materials over but no he has to go for the photo op. 

On a more positive note other European countries are sending donated fire trucks and other emergency vehicles to the Ukraind. UK article and I know Portugual did as well. 

Has to end with a positive because there is nothing positive to me about him being there and proselytizing. 

[SeekingAdventure]

Where would the glamour be of only sending money? 🙄

Nathan Bates is so special, Bombs will not hit anywhere near him, because Jesus protects him. Because he's extra special.. /s

 

The sad thing is, I fully believe he's nothing but a hindrance to anyone there, wheter he's doing photo ops, which, hey nathan, it's a war zone, no time for photo shoots, people are trying to get in to deliver goods and then get out again. sending photos of places where people deliver goods is plain stupid, because social media most likely is supervised by russians, who then can attack these places.. If, and I am not saying I am hoping for it, but on the other hand, it would not surprise me, something happened to him, in his circles he'll be a hero, who 'fought' until the last minute, even if the fight was to find the best pose for a photo op in an active war zone

 

also, it really irks me that kyiv is called the worst war zone. I'm not in the Ukraine, but from what Media reports, I'd much rather be in Kyiv than in Mariupol right now. (Obviously) I don't wanna be in either, but I feel like it is just another wording to make himself more important, because it couldn't be one of the mayor warzones, it just has to be the worst (by a social media post I saw), where he is.

I always thought Lawson would irk me the most, but nope. Definitely Nathan.

 

[CarrotCake]

I see some people referencing to Ukraine as ‘the Ukraine’ but I was always told that this is not preferred because it was used during Sovjet times.

 

[Audrey2]

On 3/18/2022 at 5:36 AM, Keys said:

It also crossed my mind that I’m not sure if they have covid vaccine requirements to get in? 

Maybe it's just me but I can see them having fake vaccine cards.

23 hours ago, formergothardite said:

This is what he says his qualifications are. 
 

The Bates lie and stretch the truth to fit a narrative, so without them listing the exact certifications he has and where and when he got them,  I’m going to question his “service” as a first responder, fire fighter and leo. 
 

And since it sounded like he was the one who shouted out that racist remark making fun of a black man being murdered, the idea that he got himself over to a war zone where people from all walks of life might depend on him is terrifying. 

Here is my Fundy to English translation of your quote.

Nathan has served as a first responder- Nathan was the first to see one of his siblings had fallen and cleaned up and put a Band-Aid on their boo boo.

Nathan has served as a firefighter- it was Nathan's job to extinguish the campfire that was built a couple of times for roasting hot dogs and marshmallows outside.

Nathan has served as a law enforcement officer- I don't know that he was one of the boys who's been a constable. My translation- he put on his toy sheriff badge and settled a disagreement amongst a couple of his siblings. He's also motioned at a car and told them where to park.

[samurai_sarah]

xxx

1 hour ago, Audrey2 said:

Nathan has served as a law enforcement officer- I don't know that he was one of the boys who's been a constable. My translation- he put on his toy sheriff badge and settled a disagreement amongst a couple of his siblings. He's also motioned at a car and told them where to park.

I'm a spy. I've got the plastic de-coder ring to prove it.

[Bluebirdbluebell]

I don't actually believe Nathan can do any good there. He's not with an official organization (other than the grifty Mediccorps) and there's very little that he can do.

Is he bringing supplies from America? What supplies is bringing? What items count as supplies? Where is he giving the supplies and who will actually get the supplies? How much can he fit in one of their prop planes? He needs his own supplies for his own needs: water, food, and supplies for his plane including fuel! I hope he brought supplies for what he needs and is not using their food, and plane fuel. 

As for his qualifications:

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Nathan is the Medic Corps Chief of Operations.  He is a commercial fixed wing and helicopter pilot, a certified flight instructor, SCUBA Diver and a rescue specialist.

 

 This sounds good although scuba diver probably isn't needed. Rescue specialist seems to be a generic term that anyone can use. To belong to an actual rescue unit, you would need training and to be hired by a team, but I think as long as he's independent he can call himself that.

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 Nathan has served in emergency services as a first responder, firefighter and a law enforcement officer

Nathan may have been a volunteer firefighter so maybe that's true. What work did Nathan do as a law enforcement officer? He was never a cop or a security guard or state trooper as far as I know or could find out about.

Here's what wikipedia says about "First Responders".

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First responders typically include law enforcement officers, paramedics, EMT's and firefighters. In some areas, emergency department personnel, such as nurses and doctors, are also required to respond to disasters and critical situations, designating them first responders.

In other words, this is a term that not necessarily used to describe a medical professional as it includes firefighters and law enforcement officers. And I mean no disrespect to actual firefighters and police officers, because they are trained professionals who have to deal with a wide variety of disasters, catastrophes, etc. However I think Nathan is using this term to make people think he has medical training when he doesn't. If he has medical training and some kind of title or certification, he could list that in bio. 

Please assume the worst about these people. They're people who eschew organizations and governments, and like to play hero. 

 

[anjulibai]

I hope he gets stuck Kyiv for months. 

[samurai_sarah]

3 minutes ago, anjulibai said:

I hope he gets stuck Kyiv for months. 

Surely, the people of Kyiv don't deserve that.

[anjulibai]

17 minutes ago, samurai_sarah said:

Surely, the people of Kyiv don't deserve that.

True, but I would hope it would teach him a little fucking humility for once, and make him think twice about inserting himself in situations he not qualified for. 

[GuineaPigCourtship]

Even if something terrible happened to Nathan, I don't see his family considering how his behavior and their views directly contributed.  Family members have had major health fallouts from covid and Kelly's stepfather literally died and they treated this as not even a bump in the road.

I'm not actively wishing anything bad to happen to him, but I find my prayers reserved solely for the innocent people embroiled in the conflict against their will.

[formergothardite]

If he is called out for being fake medical personnel who has no business being there and is shipped back to America they will claim persecution. If he is hurt in some way they will claim he is Christian martyr injured in the line of duty. If he gets back home safe and sound he will be held up as a hero. There is no scenario where they will accept he is just an uneducated guy with a big ego who got in over his head. 

[GuineaPigCourtship]

I doubt Ukraine is in a good place to jail him for pretending to be a medical professional at the moment, but ohhhh that would be nice.

[Keys]

1 hour ago, GuineaPigCourtship said:

I doubt Ukraine is in a good place to jail him for pretending to be a medical professional at the moment, but ohhhh that would be nice.

Gosh I sure hope he’s just over-exaggerating his role for social media and not actually pretending to be a medical professional…

[Italiangirl]

Now that he Is away Is Esther living alone in the RV parked in his parent's driveway or where? I would be so pissed if my new husband (with whom I haven't been alone ever before the wedding) Just leave me to go to an active war zone when he isn't even necessary (he Is not a First responder, nor anything helpful in a war) and even more if I had to be alone in a motorhome in his parent's yard. The other women are all busy with their life and can't take her company, plus she is around them only for a few months. 

I know they will think he is a hero and all but yikes it must suck being Ether right now, even more, if she is pregnant. 

[CanadianMamam]

6 hours ago, Italiangirl said:

Now that he Is away Is Esther living alone in the RV parked in his parent's driveway or where? I would be so pissed if my new husband (with whom I haven't been alone ever before the wedding) Just leave me to go to an active war zone when he isn't even necessary (he Is not a First responder, nor anything helpful in a war) and even more if I had to be alone in a motorhome in his parent's yard. The other women are all busy with their life and can't take her company, plus she is around them only for a few months. 

I know they will think he is a hero and all but yikes it must suck being Ether right now, even more, if she is pregnant. 

They are living mostly on Arkansas and she has a pretty good group of friends with the other fundie wives. She was living in Arkansas with the Pattons before they got married. 

[BensAllergies]

I feel like this is something Nathan Bates would do.