(CW: Child Sex Abuse) Josh & Anna 29: Left with Nothing but a Flip Phone Full of Shame

[Topaz]

5 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

So does this mean no one is going to explain to me who Trump is or what happened at the capitol?

It’s all a giant misunderstanding. Someone was channeling John Shrader and mixed up capitol and capital. Turns out there was a high stakes card game going on and there was a disagreement about what cards were trumps, and it escalated rather. 
It was actually an insurrection caused by trumps, with an incorrect capital letter.

 

*To be clear the above is sarcasm*

[CoveredInBees]

Will Josh JimBob  be paying room and board at the Rebers?

That People article really does read like Maria Reber really doesn't like this idea at all but is following her 'Headship'. 

 

[SassyPants]

14 hours ago, Kjaerringa said:

It sounds like he is not allowed to leave the custodians' home. Their adult daughter must teach piano lessons at a different location, and the firearms removed from the home, as there is no gun safe. They are to somehow keep him from accessing internet...how? Locking his bedroom at night and giving him a chamber pot?

Probably arrange to teach a the TTH.

[nelliebelle1197]

3 minutes ago, justoneoftwo said:

The question if a player does get people off because their constitutional rights were violated and it's willing to do stuff for people accused of the very worst what is he supposed to put on his website? There aren't that many lawyers who can do that and many who won't do that so how are you supposed to publicize what you do special if you're good at it? A lot of lawyers will say it's very important to make sure the police are not violating the constitutional rights even of predators. I'm not saying we know he's not a scumbsg but I know lawyers who defend the worst of the worst and I will tell you they are very proud of their ability to make sure the state is not violating rights. If the state violates Josh is right it can violate yours.

A girlfriend of mine is a criminal defense attorney. Her ex husband, who is actually a closer friend, defends corporations against some pretty heinous suits. Their son once told me that his dad’s work was more important than his mom’s because he was saving corporations so much money and his mom just helped scumbags.

After saying that to me once, he never said it again....

[Sullie06]

37 minutes ago, Idlewild said:

Did they say what Josh’s work is? Probably something at the Duggar compound - he’ll be back at family night next week and Anna will be pretending nothing happened.

Judging by his smirking and ‘joke’ about the metal stool, Josh never expected any other outcome yesterday. Daddy threw money and influence at the situation and it went away. I don’t think he even thought a out how horrific it was listening to the details of the allegations. 
I hope the Duggar ‘brand ’ just disappears now and all the siblings get on with their lives privately and put their kids first for once.

He cannot go on the Duggar property from my understanding. The conditions mention he cannot go to the main house or the "guest house" I think they called their warehouse. And Probation will know by GPS tracking if he does go to the Duggar compound. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

3 minutes ago, justoneoftwo said:

The question if a player does get people off because their constitutional rights were violated and it's willing to do stuff for people accused of the very worst what is he supposed to put on his website? There aren't that many lawyers who can do that and many who won't do that so how are you supposed to publicize what you do special if you're good at it? A lot of lawyers will say it's very important to make sure the police are not violating the constitutional rights even of predators. I'm not saying we know he's not a scumbsg but I know lawyers who defend the worst of the worst and I will tell you they are very proud of their ability to make sure the state is not violating rights. If the state violates Josh is right it can violate yours.

I don't know the answer to that, I just know I used to watch Court TV (there is my legal expertise!) and there were defense lawyers I respected even if I hoped their client would be found guilty.  I can't explain why the wording of this guys website made me feel icky, but it did.  

It's all about impression and branding, I am sure his is very successful in appealing to some people and off putting to me.  But as I will never need his services I am not his target audience.  

 

[Destiny]

1 minute ago, The Baby Humanist said:

That's okay. I'm sorry for pissing folks off all the time. I can't get the hang of this. Bowing out now & not coming back. 

No one is saying you have to leave. Plenty of people have had a rocky start to FJ and gone on to be beloved posters. That said, your presentation needs some work. There's nothing wrong with discussing the intersection of QAnon with the current Duggar scandal. It's the coming in and acting like we have never heard of QAnon that comes off wrong. The men and women of FJ are smart, savvy, and know this stuff, and it's best to treat them, well, us, like we are. We don't need to be educated on the issues. We want to discuss them. 

I don't want to see you leave. You seem like a smart lady with an interesting perspective. I'd just like to see you stop treating us like you're teaching us something we don't know. 

[Sullie06]

33 minutes ago, The Baby Humanist said:

After I ridiculed a JD Josh Duggar supporter on Facebook for suggesting he could have downloaded CP by accident, I researched the topic and discovered it actually CAN happen and HAS happened, to honest-to-God innocent people. It can happen with malware, viruses etc., and the law doesn't have to take into account that maybe you're an 82-year-old woman who was only trying to download a cheese dip recipe.

HOWEVER, if one considers the source here, there is ZERO possiblity that's what happened. JD Josh Duggar's longstanding compulsions, the lengths he went to to work around the Covenant software, and the fact he attempted to keep a huge number of images makes it crystal clear it was no accident. 

 

Yes it does happen. I had a teenager on Probation for possessing child porn that he received through a group chat on Snapchat. Someone sent a link. He opened the file and didn't immediately report or erase it. He was no seeking child porn and he only looked at the file once but they were able to track it to his IP and because he did't do anything to report, he was charged. 

Like you said, We all know this is not the case for Josh though. He intentionally sought it out. He had software to mask his movements online. I'm sure he paid for it to be honest. 

[socalrules]

31 minutes ago, xenobia said:

I'm not questioning all the public defenders out there (I think that's what they are called in the US), neither am I questioning that everyone has the right to a defence. But as far as I can understand, these are lawyers that JB hired for this specific case. They are not public defenders. They didn't have to take this case. They could have turned JB down when he asked, but they didn't. If I'm wrong about this, or if there are aspects of the American legal system that I've misunderstood, I do apologize for that. 

Public defenders are appointed when a person cannot afford to pay for legal representation in a criminal proceeding. A private defense attorney is one you hire to defend you. Public defenders are amazing but they are overworked, and underpaid, with too many cases and too little time. Most private criminal defense attorneys are former prosecutors and public defenders.  If you can afford to pay for an attorney, do it. You will get more individualized attention to your case. Everyone, even Josh, deserves good representation because we hear of too many cases where innocent people spend decades in prison, or are even executed, for various reasons. A lot of those innocent people had others on the outside saying how horrible they were and deserved to be in prison just as we are doing now. We can’t pick and chose who is deserving of representation. 
 

Also, just because an attorney represents someone doesn’t mean they agree with the crime that is alleged to have been committed or are sleezy. Josh’s attorneys will do their job to the best of their ability because that is their job. Take away due process for one and you take it away for all. If the prosecution has a strong enough case, even the best attorneys money can buy will not be able to poke holes in it enough to create reasonable doubt.

[Howl]

8 minutes ago, Idlewild said:

Going back to that People article, the Rebers certainly didn’t come across as close friends of the Duggars? It seemed more ‘people JB knew who were a soft touch in the name of ‘ministry’.

I'm wondering how much the Reber's are being paid to support their brand new Sex Pest Soft Landing Ministry. 

[QuiverFullOfCondoms]

1 minute ago, Howl said:

I'm wondering how much the Reber's are being paid to support their brand new Sex Pest Soft Landing Ministry. 

Jim Bob is notoriously cheap. I I doubt he’ll even want to pay them.

[Sullie06]

12 minutes ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

Will pretrial release make surprise visits to Lacunt Reber’s home to ensure Josh follows the rules?

Obviously this is at the Federal Level and every state and even county has different supervision rules. But where I work, we do. 

[HereticHick]

So is this the LaCount Reber who works as a MRI Technician at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Fayetteville?  According to the Portland, Oregon newspaper, there was a LaCount Reber who wrestled and played football at a public high school outside Portland and graduated in 1990.

[nelliebelle1197]

6 minutes ago, Howl said:

... brand new Sex Pest Soft Landing Ministry. 

This is gold. 

1 minute ago, HereticHick said:

So is this the LaCount Reber who works as a MRI Technician at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Fayetteville?  According to the Portland, Oregon newspaper, there was a LaCount Reber who wrestled and played football at a public high school outside Portland and graduated in 1990.

And yep. That would be he. 

[Jana814]

Josh has such a big ego (because he was treated as a king his entire life). I hope he takes what the judge say seriously. But I don’t think he will. 

[CoveredInBees]

3 minutes ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

Jim Bob is notoriously cheap. I I doubt he’ll even want to pay them.

He's probably having to pay for a lot of stuff right now that he's not happy about. The amount that will keep Josh fed and watered is small fry to what the legal bill will be.  

[Cornelia13]

Goodness is it hard to stay caught up ... 

I wonder if the reason Anna, JB and Michelle, Duggar siblings and others that hold the same beliefs, can continue to defend Josh and support him — is because of their absolute belief that all evil is actually Satan attacking their faith and that G*d will bring them through this? That these aren’t “Josh’s actions” but Satan attacking him? 
 

I mean, we can all see that’s ridiculous thinking but Fundamental Christians do believe that G*d will bring you through any troubles and that those troubles are always Satan testing your faith ... 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

20 minutes ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

Judges are eager to waive the cost of electronic monitoring. Usually they also do not require a baby sitter.

I know different areas having different procedures, but I live outside of Chicago and Cook County has a very robust monitoring program due to overcrowding and many of the people are low income and can't be paying for the service.

I work in manufacturing and when I worked in Chicago proper we had a lot of temps who were out on EM and allowed to work.  

[PopRox]

27 minutes ago, fluffy said:

Yes, lawyers may decline to represent clients, but most people who go into criminal law understand they will represent those who are guilty and criminal (and not always remotely likable). I think the commonality of these lawyers is that they deeply believe in the American system of law

My ex was a criminal defense attorney, he got into it because it pays well and he likes to argue (beLIEVE me, he likes to argue!). Often, if he was representing someone for domestic abuse (or just a particularly difficult/combative client) he would charge a little higher fee; which he told me he called "asshole tax."

I'm not at all saying that was exactly ethical, but I also don't blame him ("my practice, my rules"). 

I am saying that if he represented the Smuggars, they would be paying through the nose on "asshole tax."

(Sorry. I didn't sleep hardly at all last night, so I hope this was coherent)

[coffeebean7]

3 hours ago, imokit said:

@nausicaa maybe he wouldn't have been allowed. We learned yesterday that Josh's actions as a teen are admissable.

If he'd volunteered I can see the judge arguing that

1) he'd proven he couldn't stop Josh

2) he couldn't be trusted to go to the authorities if Josh was bad (he didn't the 1st time)

3) by looking after Josh he'd be abandoning his own minor children. How would he meet their needs if he's supervising Josh who isn't allowed near them?

We know he doesn't do a lot of parenting but he's vaguely around the youngest kids.

 

 

 

Josh’s abuse of his sisters Is probably not going to be allowed in the actual trial it gets to that point as it’s too prejudicial. Just because it came up at a bond hearing or could come up at sentencing doesn’t mean it’s admissible in trial. 

[Galbin]

55 minutes ago, Idlewild said:

Judging by his smirking and ‘joke’ about the metal stool, Josh never expected any other outcome yesterday. Daddy threw money and influence at the situation and it went away. I don’t think he even thought a out how horrific it was listening to the details of the allegations. 

This will make it all the sweeter when his butt is thrown in prison for a minimum of five years. I am not diagnosing anyone, but given my educational background in psychology/therapy, I strongly suspect Josh has narcissistic personality disorder. People with NPD always think they are above the law. He honestly thinks he will get away with this.

[CoveredInBees]

45 minutes ago, Howl said:

Good grief.  I just read the People article (Josh Duggar Will Be Released into Custody of 'Close Friends' of the Family, Lacount and Maria Reber On Wednesday, a judge ruled that Duggar, 33, will be released to designated third party custodians, Lacount and Maria Reber, described in court as "close friends" of the Duggar family). 

and this

Actual version: Maria Reber does know enough to know she does not want a stranger and pedophile moving into her house with her daughter there as well, but as a submissive SAHW  in patriarchy, she can't just say what any sane person would say: Oh hell no, f**k no, over my dead body.  No. NO. JUST NO.  

Also, does anyone else think that Lacount Reber sounds like a Mormon name?

Having mulled this over, it really bothers me that Maria Reber expressed misgivings about having him in her home and being ALONE with him for several hours a day and the Judge still signed off on it. 

That's fucked up. 

[Tangy Bee]

Why am I so shocked by all this. I really thought it would be tax evasion or fraud. What is Anna telling the kids? They can't be hidden in their special Duggar bubble forever. Mack is almost a teenager. It's bad enough when your dad is a pervert....but the ENTIRE world knows he's a pervert. Anna really should remove them from public life to protect their privacy. If I saw any of Josh’s kids at a local park I wouldn't recognize them right away.

[Jinderella]

1 minute ago, coffeebean7 said:

Josh’s abuse of his sisters Is probably not going to be allowed in the actual trial it gets to that point as it’s too prejudicial. Just because it came up at a bond hearing or could come up at sentencing doesn’t mean it’s admissible in trial. 

Being allowed in his sentencing already would be great!

[browngrl]

I have no data to substantiate this assumption but Josh looked like he was on drugs or alcohol at the time of his arrest. Perhaps substance abuse has a role in his crimes?Is there anything in the Judge's orders that specifically advises him to stay away from drugs/alcohol eg orders to pass regular drug tests? Was he assessed for drug/alcohol use? Or is substance abuse not considered to be a factor?