(CW: Child Sex Abuse) Josh & Anna 29: Left with Nothing but a Flip Phone Full of Shame

[nelliebelle1197]

1 minute ago, The Baby Humanist said:

Ooh ooh thank you.

It got derailed by TERFs so watch out.

[Howl]

40 minutes ago, nst said:

so people magazine is reporting that Anna would receive reports about Josh's porn addiction from some program

This may be referring to Covenant Eyes software, used by fundies so an "accountability partner(s)" can track another person's internet use. 

Apparently, Josh's computer was configured with a partition so that the access to dark web CSA websites did not show on Covenant Eyes. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

7 minutes ago, The Baby Humanist said:

Anyone here follow the QAnon conspiracy? You know, the one about how the Democrats and the Hollywood Elites are running a worldwide CP ring and God put Trump in office to expose and destroy it, which of course did not happen?

First I've heard of it.  

[The Baby Humanist]

17 minutes ago, CuttySark said:

- Josh created a Linux partition on his office computer. This is the software equivalent of having two different computers in the same box

I'm no computer programmer, but this seems like a pretty easy and obvious thing to do. It's bizarre to me that whoever invented and purchased the Covenant software actually believed it would prevent anyone from doing anything. It's like "My kids, drunk?! No way! I put this little padlock on the door of the liquor cabinet! They could NEVER get in!!"

4 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

First I've heard of it.  

You heard what went down at the Capitol in Washington DC on January 6, right? The insurrection by Trump supporters? It was about QAnon.

[LaLaLisa]

This is Daisy.  I'm a therapist who works with senior adults and Daisy is my therapy dog.  Her job is to make everyone's day a little brighter and she never fails to do so!

[CuttySark]

Just now, The Baby Humanist said:

I'm no computer programmer, but this seems like a pretty easy and obvious thing to do. It's bizarre to me that whoever invented and purchased the Covenant software actually believed it would prevent anyone from doing anything. It's like "My kids, drunk?! No way! I put this little padlock on the door of the liquor cabinet! They could NEVER get in!!"

It's definitely not complicated. I'm not an expert in computers at all, and I've set up Linux partitions a number of times. They're fiddly and irritating sometimes, because Windows doesn't like to share, but you can find a dozen different installation instructions in thirty seconds with google, and a half-dozen Linux builds to download for free. 

What's more damning is that he partitioned deliberately instead of running Linux from a USB key. (Many Linux builds can be put onto a USB key - you boot the computer from the USB and can work in the Linux environment until you take the key out. It doesn't save anything that you did while you were working, and the USB stays in its original state. It's meant to let you test out the operating system without committing to a full install.) He obviously intended to save things, and that was more important to him than erasing more of his tracks.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

2 minutes ago, The Baby Humanist said:

You heard what went down at the Capitol in Washington DC on January 6, right? The insurrection by Trump supporters? It was about QAnon.

No, did something happen at the Capitol?  Who's Trump?  

 

[SnarkyLawyer]

33 minutes ago, Cam said:

Seems to me you don’t hire and pay exorbitant fees for this kind of high profile lawyer hoping the lawyer will get you a plea deal. What Josh and his parental units hope is that he gets the charges dropped and does no time in jail/prison. They either want Lawyer to twist the evidence to make it look like the downloads were the actions of someone other than Josh, or they hope Josh gets away with his crimes due to a technicality wherein the arresting authorities didn’t follow correct procedure or something. I’m not saying either of these will happen, but those are the kinds of tactics often used, according to my extensive viewing of Law and Order reruns and Dateline episodes!

His lawyers have virtually no chance of proving that Josh wasn't the perpetrator. They have too much evidence, including the password he used, and and a timeline of geotagged photos and tweets.

They have a better shot at claiming certain evidence should be held inadmissible, at least, that's what frequently happened when I prosecuted child abuse cases. The issue that stands out the most is that Josh had said he wanted to call his lawyer, during the search, but the search involved confiscating his electronic devices, so they took his phone. However, they then convinced him to talk, during a car interview. I'm sure his defense attorney is going to argue that it was all one event, and that anything he said to them in the car shouldn't be admitted. Their plan is going to be to get as much evidence thrown out, as possible, and then get him the best plea deal, based on the evidence that's left. They know he'll never win at trial.

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by SnarkyLawyer

[The Baby Humanist]

1 minute ago, CuttySark said:

He obviously intended to save things, and that was more important to him than erasing more of his tracks.

JFC. That's so grotesque. 

 

One thing I don't understand (I must have missed it) ... The Covenant software was ONLY on the family PC, right? So what was to prevent him from using a smartphone, someone else's computer etc? 

1 minute ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

No, did something happen at the Capitol?  Who's Trump?  

OMG THIS WOULD BE LOVELY ?

[Jinderella]

I have two questions after a night with not enough sleep...

1. The evidence seems very strong, if the Duggars are going to court, their only chance will likely be a legal technicality. But if the Case drops because of a technicality, won’t the damage to the public image of the Duggars not suffer worst? Everyone knows he is quilty and avoiding his accountability again will not make the public more sympathetic to the Duggar-brand. Would it not be best for JB to push the Pest under the bus?

2. Is Anna obligated to take the M’s to the Pest? I can imagine after hearing all the horrific details yesterday she is at least a little disgusted. I hope she is spitting mad. If she doesn’t feel like visiting the Pest, can he demand her to see his children? And because she is the only one allowed to supervise such visits, can he demand to see her?

Edited May 6, 2021 by Jinderella

[Sullie06]

Just jumping in here from back on Page 1. Just getting caught up. 

So I am a Probation Officer and this is what I expected would happen. Pre-Trial Release of non-violent, non repeat offenders is very common and there is a push to release more offenders pending trial. That being said, Federal Probation Officers are no joke. They will be on him and if he violates, he's going back in front of the judge. Also the home confinement with GPS tracking means there are virtual eyes on him 24/7. I know if one of my probationers violates EM, I get a text to my phone immediately no matter the time of day. 

I do think the Reber's were kind of talked into this and I don't know that him being in their care long-term is going to work out so hopefully they get him back into court sooner than later. There are time limits on how long a trial can be postponed for. 

[CinnaJen]

10 minutes ago, LaLaLisa said:

This is Daisy.  I'm a therapist who works with senior adults and Daisy is my therapy dog.  Her job is to make everyone's day a little brighter and she never fails to do so!

Omg look at that face!  Corgis are my favorite breed-if I could convince my husband to get a 3rd dog that would be it! So cute ❤️

[HereticHick]

11 hours ago, OrchidBlossom said:

Ginger and the Void! My fave superhero duo!

 

I love the "Void" nickname! We have a new little black cat in our household & we sometimes call him "the Black Hole with Teef"

[Sullie06]

13 hours ago, rexasaurus_nirb said:

Also how are they going to make sure he is not exposed to minors at Church since it seems like he is allowed to go to Church? So many thoughts on all of this. 

Josh has to plan for this. That's why they put in the part about planning his "trips". His Probation Officer can pop in on him at anytime and in any place, so he will have to make a decision whether he can attend church without contact with minors.  His best bet would be for them to arrange for him to appear virtually maybe in another room at the church or something like that. 

[FiveAcres]

4 minutes ago, CuttySark said:

It's definitely not complicated. I'm not an expert in computers at all, and I've set up Linux partitions a number of times. They're fiddly and irritating sometimes, because Windows doesn't like to share, but you can find a dozen different installation instructions in thirty seconds with google, and a half-dozen Linux builds to download for free. 

What's more damning is that he partitioned deliberately instead of running Linux from a USB key. (Many Linux builds can be put onto a USB key - you boot the computer from the USB and can work in the Linux environment until you take the key out. It doesn't save anything that you did while you were working, and the USB stays in its original state. It's meant to let you test out the operating system without committing to a full install.) He obviously intended to save things, and that was more important to him than erasing more of his tracks.

The obvious intention to save stuff occurred to me too. I've been running Linux as my primary operating system for a very long time. I've installed it as both dual-boot with Windows and as the only operating system on my computer. I've run it from both CD and from USB drives to do trouble shooting. 

Linux is ubiquitous today. The Linux kernel (the absolute core of an operating system) is used in Android phones and tablets, Chromebooks, Amazon kindles and tablets, and a lot of so-called "smart" devices. Although most people choose to stick with the operating system their devices came with, it is not a big deal to install Linux. 

[fluffy]

41 minutes ago, xenobia said:

I think that his lawyers are in a tough spot. They are no doubt without scruples and sleezy, but they are probably not stupid.

I'm sorry but I have to question that leap in judgment-- that because defense attorney represents a reprehensible client that the attorneys are "no doubt without scruples and sleazy." That's not how practicing law works at all. Defense attorneys play a central role in our civil society. Any democracy operates under the rule of law and typically has a constitution that guarantees fundamental rights and freedoms. You can't suspend the fifth amendment for one person and not suspend it for all in our democracy. Thanks for considering another viewpoint. 

[Destiny]

38 minutes ago, The Baby Humanist said:

Anyone here follow the QAnon conspiracy? You know, the one about how the Democrats and the Hollywood Elites are running a worldwide CP ring and God put Trump in office to expose and destroy it, which of course did not happen?

Not specifically directed at you, but I'm going to use you as a jumping off point -- New people, PLEASE look around for more than one family's threads. There's a lot more to FJ than the Duggars and Poopistan. A simple look around at the forums would answer this question quite handily. Hell, even look at our tags. 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Destiny

[meep]

33 minutes ago, The Baby Humanist said:

???-ℎ??, ?????! ?ℎ??? ??? ????

Anyone here follow the QAnon conspiracy? You know, the one about how the Democrats and the Hollywood Elites are running a worldwide CP ring and God put Trump in office to expose and destroy it, which of course did not happen?

It's absolutely fascinating how silent they've been on the recent news about Congressman Matt Gaetz as well as Josh Duggar.

But Duggar even more so. Gaetz is a MAGA darling, but not an Evangelical mouthpiece, and the charges against him involve a 17-year-girl (grotesque given his powerful position, but not, strictly speaking, "pedophilia").

Duggar, OTOH, is absolutely part of "who's who in American Evangelicalism." And the details released yesterday absolutely (but allegedly) identify him as an honest-to-goodness pedophile: That is, someone who's sexually attracted to PREPUBESCENT children — the very youngest ones, in fact — which even puts him in the minority of actual pedophiles. 

The only QAnon thing Josh hasn't done is torture kids and extract their blood to make "adrenochrome," and that's only because there literally is no such thing.

 

Are you trying to point out that they are hypocrites for so quickly believing in these "democrat trafficking rings" but are totally ignoring when it ACTUALLY happens IN REAL LIFE with "godly" republican people? Then yes, I agree. Though I hope everyone here on FJ (republican, democrat, other countries, or otherwise) can all agree that QAnon was a huge money-making sham that destroyed our country. I think this Josh scandal can really be part of future conversations to explore the delusions and cognitive dissonance of the QAnon believers. 

[Idlewild]

Did they say what Josh’s work is? Probably something at the Duggar compound - he’ll be back at family night next week and Anna will be pretending nothing happened.

Judging by his smirking and ‘joke’ about the metal stool, Josh never expected any other outcome yesterday. Daddy threw money and influence at the situation and it went away. I don’t think he even thought a out how horrific it was listening to the details of the allegations. 
I hope the Duggar ‘brand ’ just disappears now and all the siblings get on with their lives privately and put their kids first for once.

[xenobia]

2 minutes ago, fluffy said:

I'm sorry but I have to question that leap in judgment-- that because defense attorney represents a reprehensible client that the attorneys are "no doubt without scruples and sleazy." That's not how practicing law works at all. Defense attorneys play a central role in our civil society. Any democracy operates under the rule of law and typically has a constitution that guarantees fundamental rights and freedoms. You can't suspend the fifth amendment for one person and not suspend it for all in our democracy. Thanks for considering another viewpoint. 

I'm not questioning all the public defenders out there (I think that's what they are called in the US), neither am I questioning that everyone has the right to a defence. But as far as I can understand, these are lawyers that JB hired for this specific case. They are not public defenders. They didn't have to take this case. They could have turned JB down when he asked, but they didn't. If I'm wrong about this, or if there are aspects of the American legal system that I've misunderstood, I do apologize for that. 

[LilMissMetaphor]

I don't think it's strange that Josh wanted to save the pics/video.  (Evil, but not strange).  If he had the desire to seek out the worst stuff in the first place, it wouldn't be "curiosity", as in just take a quick peek and then you're done.  He obviously needs to get his fix whenever he needs it, just like an addict of any other substance/material.

[Glasgowghirl]

Just now, Idlewild said:

Did they say what Josh’s work is? Probably something at the Duggar compound - he’ll be back at family night next week and Anna will be pretending nothing happened.

Judging by his smirking and ‘joke’ about the metal stool, Josh never expected any other outcome yesterday. Daddy threw money and influence at the situation and it went away. I don’t think he even thought a out how horrific it was listening to the details of the allegations. 
I hope the Duggar ‘brand ’ just disappears now and all the siblings get on with their lives privately and put their kids first for once.

With the car lot he worked on closed it is hard to say, possibly the other car lot or working on other Duggar businesses doing what ever is needed. If he tried to blame other workers including potentially his own brother for his actions then, I don't see him being very welcome at any job he is given now. 

[The Baby Humanist]

51 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Josh for some time as you can’t just accidentally slip into it...

After I ridiculed a JD Josh Duggar supporter on Facebook for suggesting he could have downloaded CP by accident, I researched the topic and discovered it actually CAN happen and HAS happened, to honest-to-God innocent people. It can happen with malware, viruses etc., and the law doesn't have to take into account that maybe you're an 82-year-old woman who was only trying to download a cheese dip recipe.

HOWEVER, if one considers the source here, there is ZERO possiblity that's what happened. JD Josh Duggar's longstanding compulsions, the lengths he went to to work around the Covenant software, and the fact he attempted to keep a huge number of images makes it crystal clear it was no accident. 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by HerNameIsBuffy
Edited because JD and Josh are actually different people

[Sullie06]

11 hours ago, BernRul said:

He is NOT free to do what he wants. The conditions of his bail were already listed but they are extensive. I'm sure he'll break them or try, but if caught he's back in jail. 

Correct. He is technically under the jurisdiction of the court. He has very specific conditions he has to live by, he's being GPS tracked and he's going to have a Probation Officer who has direct say over where he goes, when and with whom. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

4 minutes ago, The Baby Humanist said:

After I ridiculed a JD Josh Duggar supporter on Facebook for suggesting he could have downloaded CP by accident, I researched the topic and discovered it actually CAN happen and HAS happened, to honest-to-God innocent people. It can happen with malware, viruses etc., and the law doesn't have to take into account that maybe you're an 82-year-old woman who was only trying to download a cheese dip recipe.

HOWEVER, if one considers the source here, there is ZERO possiblity that's what happened. JD Josh Duggar's longstanding compulsions, the lengths he went to to work around the Covenant software, and the fact he attempted to keep a huge number of images makes it crystal clear it was no accident. 

 

Bolding mine.  JD is Josh's brother, John David.  When people refer to Josh as JD it results in paged of people wondering what JD did.  

We do not need any more work trying to prevent confusion on this thread, please familiarize yourself with these people if you plan on discussing them.

Edited May 6, 2021 by HerNameIsBuffy