John Shrader 19: FLYING VERMIN SCUM!

[snickerz]

Hey John, I did a whopping 5 minutes of googling and found out that medication for epilepsy can be had for like 5 bucks a month in many places in Africa. (But first the kid would need an actual diagnosis and treatment plan). There's NO excuse to ignore your son's medical condition. Except that you are an @$$hole.

[Xan]

John has surfaced again.  He put up a post on Facebook about his back.  He just went to Lusaka for a CT scan and x-rays of his back to send to his doctors, presumably so he won't have to travel to see them in person.  He also mentions how thankful his is that God worked through a number of people and enabled him to get the more than $80,000.00 that was needed for his surgery.  Answered prayers!!  WTF??  Special John got a ton of money to fix his back.  What about poor Nehemiah?  No word there.  Are they still treating him by adding tuna into his diet?  Any doctor's visits for Nehemiah?  

John is just so grateful that, although he's not "100%" yet, he's able to be out and continue his "Bush Ministry".  Yeah, Johnny.  So happy you got good medical care so you could continue to pester all the local folk with your own twisted variety of religion.

I'm just beyond disgusted.

Edited October 16, 2020 by Xan

[gustava]

A dead child would be a wonderful martyr for his stay in evil, unchristian, blackest Africa.

[apandaaries]

I’m convinced John can’t see beyond his own nose. An $80,000 surgery with a Caribbean vacation to boot.

And this fucker has a child seizing regularly, but all he needs is daddy to do some dr Google shit? I’d like to point out that John asserted that they’d found a “cure,” but then he continued to seize. We also didn’t hear a word about him visiting any specialists in the states, either. 
His child is basically having electrical storms in his brain on a regular basis. That’s not good, and requires medical intervention.

But rather than work on getting his son healthy and on some kind of medical plan, he just thanks god that his own problems have (almost) been healed.

john, no one gives a flying fuck about your back.

Take your son to some neurologists. NOW.

[apandaaries]

The passage in which I get stabby, salty, angry, and quite glad that he’s on another continent.

Spoiler

I’ve mentioned previously that my bff suffers from seizures. I’ve watched too many but duck it all! She’s suffered way too many. And does have a bit of fear about dying during a seizure.

NOT analogous to back surgery, John-get-you-fucking-head/out-of-your-ass-Schafer. 

His level of medical neglect is or should be criminal. I give not one flying fuck about his “ministry.” He brought children to this earthly plane and he should owe his allegation to them. And their health and well-being and education  over his stupid internet presence. 
i get migraines, but my bff suffers from seizures. That John is so fucjing cavalier makes me rage. My friend has reached her forties with this bullshit happening in her brain, but she’s also gone to the Mayo Clinic and sought out help. She also has a great relationship with her pharmacists, who discuss potential problems with drug interactions. She’s moved quite a bit. So a good relationship with her pharmacists is important,

Jiohn, by comparison? Weeks in the Caribbean , away fro wife and kids  luxuriating in his surroundings.

Folks, I’d give a kidney, part of my liver, plenty of my “cushioning” to allow my friend not to seize again. And Is John is sitting on his fat ass (NOT a plus for him) googling fake cures and calling it a day. Esther will take care of the rest, right?

He never disclosed their cure, but what was it? Tuna? colloidal silver?

Jesus himself would pray for those children. If one is going to have double digit blessings, one is required to feed, clothe, and care for their medical needs.

John Shrader, you are a failure at every path you’ve walked in life. You could fix it, but you don’t. If you’re a shining example of a Christian, then I should be out sunnjng my asshole cuz someone in the internet told me it was a good idea. 

[Howl]

It's stunning that the kid was in the US and didn't receive appropriate medical evaluation.  You'd think that at least the grandparents would insist on getting a checkup. 

[llucie]

I am still hoping that Nehemiah actually got to see a doctor when he was in the USA and maybe they just dont want to disclose it for some weird reason? like maybe they dont like the diagnosis they got? Seems unnecessarily cruel to make a child who suffers seizures to go trough 2 trans-atlantic flights for no reason and dont even take advantage of the first world medicine once he was there.

Edited October 22, 2020 by llucie
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[apandaaries]

1 hour ago, llucie said:

I am still hoping that Nehemiah actually got to see a doctor when he was in the USA and maybe they just dont want to disclose it for some weird reason? like maybe they dont like the diagnosis they got? Seems unnecessarily cruel to make a child who suffers seizures to go trough 2 trans-atlantic flights for no reason and dont even take advantage of the first world medicine once he was there.

It’s possible that John is self-absorbed that he didn’t think of mentioning that...but he also lives his life online. Taking a kid to a neurologist for seizures would only help him and his online status. 
I suspect he thinks his Dr. Google degree is as good as the doctors they’ve visited. He gets first class care while his child apologizes for seizures. ? 

Seriously, that child needs medical treatment more than John ever has. But if it’s not happening to him, does the problem really exist? He’s far too happy to have a child be an expenditure during his “sub Saharan” missionary adventure.

[Botkinetti]

In his version of reality I think  that John simply cannot imagine that people might be more interested and concerned about Nehemiah than John. Therefore there is no reason to write about it.

[ignorantobserver]

20 hours ago, llucie said:

I am still hoping that Nehemiah actually got to see a doctor when he was in the USA and maybe they just dont want to disclose it for some weird reason? like maybe they dont like the diagnosis they got? Seems unnecessarily cruel to make a child who suffers seizures to go trough 2 trans-atlantic flights for no reason and dont even take advantage of the first world medicine once he was there.

Stupid question : would Nehemiah even have health insurance in the US ? Would a normal traveler's insurance cover that kind of thing if it's not an emergency ? If not, I just don't see this family investing the money necessary to get him a diagnosis. Or is the Medicaid system so well organised that you can just bring your uninsured child to the hospital, show his birth certificate and have the secretary get him a social security number ?

[Xan]

John has a new post up.  It's a lengthy dissertation on how wonderful it is to be part of God's plan to save souls.  Here's a snippet:

"But nothing, and I mean NOTHING can compare to seeing God truly save an Eternal Soul from the inside out, resurrecting that dead spirit through genuine Biblical Salvation, and seeing that person not only changing and growing SPIRITUALLY, but beginning to be used by God to reach and teach others... not through sports, or a chess club, or even becoming a world renown surgeon, but through them sharing the Gospel of Christ with their family, friends, classmates and neighbors."

He adds that he's grateful for the people who have contributed (although he doesn't ever directly ask!!)  He just wants everyone to know that he's not doing it for popularity or promotion.  He's out to get "results".  As far as I can tell, the only acceptable results are turning someone into a proselytizing fundamentalist.  If you don't spend every waking minute talking about God and pushing people to accept your religion, you're toast.

According to John, he and his family are just over in Zambia "laying down our lives in Service to our King" and he hopes that anyone who "partners" with them "over the next few years" will see the "fruits of their investments".  Translated:   Send money.  We ain't coming home anytime soon.

Still no mention of Nehemiah.

There are pics with the two oldest girls leading a girls' group.  Maybe there isn't a lot to do in Kafue and this, at least, is a social occasion for them.  

John named his church there in Kafue "Truth Biblical Baptist Church".  He is so full of himself...

[CTRLZero]

2 hours ago, ignorantobserver said:

Stupid question : would Nehemiah even have health insurance in the US ?

This is a very good question.  As I recall, John had to grift come up with $80,000 or more to take care of his back surgery.  I don't know how they handle medical expenses in Kafue and when visiting the US.  Does anyone know how that typically works for missionaries? 

It's just a guess on my part that they don't have much in the way of insurance, because they rely on essential oils and various internet suggestions to cure almost everything.

 

[Giraffe]

Dependent children may automatically be enrolled into medicaid and receive care for their medical needs.
 

From a realistic standpoint it’s not nearly that easy and there can be a discouraging amount of bureaucracy just for basic services. The people I know who have medicaid for themselves or their kids spend a ton of time and energy advocating for the patient in order to get their needs met. 

But yes, most likely Nehemiah would qualify for medicaid and could get appropriate medical care if they lived in the states. 

[gustava]

15 hours ago, Giraffe said:

Dependent children may automatically be enrolled into medicaid and receive care for their medical needs.
 

From a realistic standpoint it’s not nearly that easy and there can be a discouraging amount of bureaucracy just for basic services. The people I know who have medicaid for themselves or their kids spend a ton of time and energy advocating for the patient in order to get their needs met. 

But yes, most likely Nehemiah would qualify for medicaid and could get appropriate medical care if they lived in the states. 

He might indeed qualify but his parents would have to apply.

[Inky]

Aren't some of his children ageing out of being able to stay in Zambia due to their becoming adults? I thought I recalled reading that 1000 posts ago.

[Ozlsn]

Enoch turns 18 in January, Alatheia in March the year after. Not sure what that means for their visa status - presumably they would need to get their own visas. No idea how hard/easy that is from within the country, although I suspect it's relatively straightforward in Lukasa at least.

[NancyDrewFan1989]

On Enoch and Alatheia's visa status John mentioned that they are reaching a year point where they can become citizens or something like that. It is possible that John and Esther are hoping to use this law as a way to extend Enoch and Alatheia's stay in Zambia. However, it wouldn't surprise me if John and Esther are considering sending Enoch back to the states once he turns eighteen to start learning at a trade school or working under his dad at his church. To be honest, I don't think John and Esther ever really planned for what would happen to the kids once they turned eighteen. 

[apandaaries]

John Shrader, failing to consider his children and their futures?! ? That master of planning and executing his ideas?! 
/s

[ignorantobserver]

But really, doesn't John have plans for his kids' future ? Are they learning the language ? Preparing for an education ? They are in a somewhat large city, I suppose the young man could learn a trade or go to highschool / university in Zambia ? In order to apply for citizenship, having a job and paying taxes is usually the absolute minimum requirement. Even for a basic visa, you need to be able to prove that you are able to feed yourself, through a job or another kind of regular income. I vaguely remember that several years ago, John got someone a student visa in Zambia by enrolling him in his "bible school". If that scheme still works, he might try to apply it to his son.

As for becoming a citizen, I highly doubt that's even on the table. A young man with no income of his own, no education and no job skills would not be seen as a potential asset for any country by immigration services. Currently, he should have no chance whatsoever (if the administration is sufficiently corrupt, maybe he could get a passport in exchange for some bribes, but that's a huge "if" - I don't know if that scenario would be even remotely realistic in Zambia). Sending him back to the US would be a reasonable alternative, as he would have his family's support as well as an actual knowledge of the culture and language. Also, he would be able to court a suitable young woman without being tempted to fall in love with a (shiver) person of colour !

Edited October 25, 2020 by ignorantobserver

[subsaharanafrica]

On 10/23/2020 at 4:37 PM, ignorantobserver said:

Stupid question : would Nehemiah even have health insurance in the US ? Would a normal traveler's insurance cover that kind of thing if it's not an emergency ? 

I kind of doubt they buy trip insurance in the first place, but even if they did it’s doubtful that it would cover routine medical care in the US.

 

It is possible that they have health insurance through a company and policy that caters to missionaries. 

On 10/25/2020 at 3:55 AM, Ozlsn said:

Enoch turns 18 in January, Alatheia in March the year after. Not sure what that means for their visa status - presumably they would need to get their own visas. No idea how hard/easy that is from within the country, although I suspect it's relatively straightforward in Lukasa at least.

According to the Zambian government site you can be a dependent on your parents visa until the age of 21, so they still have some time. 
 

https://www.zambiaimmigration.gov.zm/for-residents/

[subsaharanafrica]

12 hours ago, ignorantobserver said:

As for becoming a citizen, I highly doubt that's even on the table. A young man with no income of his own, no education and no job skills would not be seen as a potential asset for any country by immigration services. Currently, he should have no chance whatsoever (if the administration is sufficiently corrupt, maybe he could get a passport in exchange for some bribes, but that's a huge "if" - I don't know if that scenario would be even remotely realistic in Zambia). Sending him back to the US would be a reasonable alternative, as he would have his family's support as well as an actual knowledge of the culture and language. Also, he would be able to court a suitable young woman without being tempted to fall in love with a (shiver) person of colour !

There is a process of registering for citizenship once you turn 18 if you have spent the last ten years in the country. It’s relatively straightforward and as I understand it you aren’t going to be denied unless you’ve committed a criminal act that renders you ineligible. 
 

As for the color thing, there are loads of white Zambians. But I very much doubt if any of them meet John’s definition of Christian. 

[Ozlsn]

5 minutes ago, subsaharanafrica said:

As for the color thing, there are loads of white Zambians. But I very much doubt if any of them meet John’s definition of Christian. 

It does rather narrow the field somewhat unless they convert I suppose!

[ignorantobserver]

26 minutes ago, subsaharanafrica said:

According to the Zambian government site you can be a dependent on your parents visa until the age of 21, so they still have some time. 

Good to know ! So, there is no urgency. Still, what are the adult children supposed to do with their time ? They should work, or at least get married, according to the cult's ideology. I wonder how they will advise their oldest children.

 

10 minutes ago, subsaharanafrica said:

There is a process of registering for citizenship once you turn 18 if you have spent the last ten years in the country. It’s relatively straightforward and as I understand it you aren’t going to be denied unless you’ve committed a criminal act that renders you ineligible. 

Is that the theory or the actual reality ? I have no idea how it works in African countries, so it might actually be quite easy. I am currently in the process of applying for citizenship in a European country, and the legal requirements - like the number of years spent in the country etc. - are only the baseline criteria that need to be met in order to even apply. To have a realistic chance of actually seeing the request approved, you need a lot more - most notably a paying job, several years of paying income taxes and a very good knowledge of the language and culture. Even then, it can take several years and the outcome is far from being guaranteed. That"s in a country where getting the citizenship is comparatively easy as opposed to, say, countries like Switzerland where the requirements are all but impossible to fulfill. Again, it might be a lot easier in Zambia - maybe you have experience there, or with other countries in the region ? My knowledge about that part of the world is very limited. Still, every country has a vested interest in only approving people for citizenship who can at the very least care for themselves, are willing to contribute and won't be a drain on already scarce resources. Being white and American might make things easier, but will it be sufficient without any of the other critera being met ?

Edited October 26, 2020 by ignorantobserver

[subsaharanafrica]

52 minutes ago, ignorantobserver said:

Is that the theory or the actual reality ? I have no idea how it works in African countries, so it might actually be quite easy. I am currently in the process of applying for citizenship in a European country, and the legal requirements - like the number of years spent in the country etc. - are only the baseline criteria that need to be met in order to even apply. To have a realistic chance of actually seeing the request approved, you need a lot more - most notably a paying job, several years of paying income taxes and a very good knowledge of the language and culture. Even then, it can take several years and the outcome is far from being guaranteed. That"s in a country where getting the citizenship is comparatively easy as opposed to, say, countries like Switzerland where the requirements are all but impossible to fulfill. Again, it might be a lot easier in Zambia - maybe you have experience there, or with other countries in the region ? My knowledge about that part of the world is very limited. Still, every country has a vested interest in only approving people for citizenship who can at the very least care for themselves, are 

It’s the actual reality. As I understand it the law was passed specifically for the children of foreigners who have spent most of their lives in the country. People taking advantage of it are usually in the 18-21 year range before they have to get their own visa. 

The people I know who have done it all did so shortly after turning 18 so that they would be able to leave the country to go to university with a guarantee they could come back. 
 

Poor countries without robust social safety nets don’t have as much of an incentive to keep people out. It won’t be the government coffers picking you up if you fall. The cultural expectation is that your extended family would do that. There is certainly no Swiss style your commune gets to vote on your citizenship application going on. 
 

ETA—this is not to suggest that there are no social programs, only that they are no where near the scale or expense of Europe’s. 

Edited October 26, 2020 by subsaharanafrica
ETA

[ignorantobserver]

Thank you for your explanation @subsaharanafrica ! That means Shrader's children could stay in Zambia rather easily ? That might be bad news for them : with John's aversion to long-term planning, he might just expect them to stay at home forever because he is not interested in planning for their future... I hope I am wrong !

Edit : Another rather naive question : did the young people you know keep their American citizenship ? Is that easy to do, or even possible legally ?

Edited October 26, 2020 by ignorantobserver