Lori Alexander 68: June Gloom Has Arrived

[Sarah92]

11 hours ago, Hane said:

@Sarah92, I’m reading the memoir “Maid” by Stephanie Land. It’s about a single mom struggling to care for her child on backbreaking, minimum-wage physical work and a patchwork of government assistance programs. The thing that stands out the most to me is that she suffers the MOST because she has absolutely no social safety net of friends or family. Her parents are unwilling or unable to help her. She spends all her time working or studying towards a degree, so there’s no time to have with friends. Her loneliness is palpable. Being one of the “deserving poor” guarantees one nothing.

And that's the story I hear over am doing over again. It breaks my heart because often the moms feel hopeless. And I say moms because more often than not dad is out of the picture because he was abusive, cheated, straight up left or just isnt interested . It's very rare that I get a father in my office who is actually aware and interested in what's happening with their child.

These moms are far from perfect but it reflects the patriarchy that Lori promotes. Father's aren't taught to be emotionally involved in their child's life so they leave it all to the mom. It make sure it easier for dad to up and leave if he wants. 

[PinkPrincess0213]

And today, she claims she got "negative comments" on the woman who posted about the quiet dinner times. Enough for a whole blog post.

Perhaps she did....

...or perhaps not. Hi Lori!

[SilverBeach]

16 hours ago, Lgirlrocks said:

Doesn’t mean a women can’t work and take care of the home with the help of her spouse. 

I was a single working mom, no spouse to help. I had a lovely home, even though no one was there to care for it full-time. If I hadn't worked, there would have been no home at all.

[wallysmommy]

It's very easy for a woman with not just one, but two, houses to tell other women to not spend so much money on luxuries (such as food, rent/mortgage, clothing, and transportation).  She's sitting in her rocking chair, dispensing her pearls of wisdom from the porch of her second home overlooking Lake Michigan.  We really need one of her rambling videos taped at the cabin instead of her sterile "guest" bedroom.

[Katzchen24]

3 hours ago, wallysmommy said:

  We really need one of her rambling videos taped at the cabin instead of her sterile "guest" bedroom.

She's casting those pearls mostly before swine unfortunately. I'm sure it's been pointed out before, but for a woman as obsessed with transactional sex as she is I wonder she can't find somewhere other than on a bed to do her stuff. And why does Ken allow his lovely wife to be seen by anyone other than himself near a bed?? It's not very modest of her.

[livinglongerthanyou]

I see that racist prick John MacGregor II (Fonzie) is back dispensing his bullshit on Lori's page. I had hoped that after a conversation with Ken, and screenshots, that he was banned. Nope. I think Fonzie was just in a 30 day timeout for posting his racist shit somewhere else. 

[Loveday]

Someone has asked Lori, " are yall okay do yall feel earthquakes".  Oh, please. Door County is a long way from southern California. 

[Liza]

First, if you dish it out, you can expect to get it back.

Second:  To call all women who disagree with your narrow views as "lost" and to say "they don't know God or are mocking him, is just  another way of saying that you are right/holy/Godly and they are wrong.  You are using God and your very narrow view of Scripture to attack women.   

 

[SweetLaurel]

48 minutes ago, Liza said:

You are using God and your very narrow view of Scripture to attack women.   

And she only wishes she had her leather strap or paddle to do it with instead of mere knife to the gut words.  It would be even more fun for her.  Sadists get off on hurting people.   Lori may shut her eyes and think of England with Ken, but she gets turned on in other ways.   

Edited July 6, 2019 by SweetLaurel
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[klein_roeschen]

Ladies, I did it, I bought a breadroll made with (ok, partially) einkorn flour! Working jezebel me went grocery shopping this morning and there it was, the advertisement for that special breadroll and reading einkorn, I knew I had to buy it. I'm sorry that I can't show pictures, I ate it as soon I was at home for breakfast. I put butter on it (13,90 € for 5 lb of butter) and homemade pinapple marmelade. And yeah, tasted pretty good, but didn't expect any other from that baker. Didn't feel any other, no desire to stay home or get a headship and a ton of kids. And now back to the usual garbage of Lori.

[fluffy]

8 minutes ago, klein_roeschen said:

Ladies, I did it, I bought a breadroll made with (ok, partially) einkorn flour! Working jezebel me went grocery shopping this morning and there it was, the advertisement for that special breadroll and reading einkorn, I knew I had to buy it. I'm sorry that I can't show pictures, I ate it as soon I was at home for breakfast. I put butter on it (13,90 € for 5 lb of butter) and homemade pinapple marmelade. And yeah, tasted pretty good, but didn't expect any other from that baker. Didn't feel any other, no desire to stay home or get a headship and a ton of kids. And now back to the usual garbage of Lori.

Nice but did you SLATHER butter all over it? 

[wallysmommy]

As Lori is spewing her vile garbage about working women, here's the kind of situation she doesn't understand.  In the 60s my now deceased uncle was pastoring very, very small churches in the midwest.  He also worked to support his family.  The churches were so poor they couldn't pay him cash, so they gave them chickens and potatoes.  My aunt had to work to help pay for their housing and other necessities.  They had two small sons at the time.  Only 2 because of Rh factor.  So, Lori, was she a Jezebel because she didn't risk having more children.  They weren't sitting in a cabin in their summer home.  They were trying to follow God's calling and to survive.  

You have called working women whores, a term I never use, for providing for their families because they LOVE them naturally, without having to be taught that they need to love their husband and children.  Sadly, you think that people have to be TAUGHT what comes naturally to most.  I wouldn't call you a whore.  I would call you cold and uncaring, as the Bible says "without natural affection."  People who tear others down for their own glory and deliberately cause strife or pain to others are without natural affection.  Guess what?  That's YOU!

[Sarah92]

I think calling women those thing is awful but I'm wondering how often this has happened outside of the Internet? Say if she didn't have an online base, didn't instigate things online, and she was just your average jo would anyone in her personal life call her this? I'm not saying it couldn't be possible and it's not something I'd ever say to a stay at home mom but I simply don't hear this language coming from young people. I also have never heard it from anyone really. My mom has never reported being called such names. Maybe it's the Midwest but being a stay at home mom is very common and accepted where I live, maybe even expected. 

[delphinium65]

2 hours ago, Liza said:

First, if you dish it out, you can expect to get it back.

Lori, complaining about being called names?      She should get that beam out of her own eye before bitching about the mote in someone else's.  

[Loveday]

I can honestly say that never in my 30+ years as a stay at home mom and wife have I been called a whore or a leech. Never. Ever. And furthermore, I've never seen someone online call Lori either of those things. I'm online most of the day and well into the night, and I pop in on her page frequently (why, no, I have no life, thanks for asking. LOL), so I catch a lot of stuff in those moments between posting and deleting. Unless people are private messaging her with these awful names, or people in her real life are calling her these things (and who would that be, if she stays home all day?!), I call shenanigans. 

[klein_roeschen]

40 minutes ago, Sarah92 said:

I think calling women those thing is awful but I'm wondering how often this has happened outside of the Internet? Say if she didn't have an online base, didn't instigate things online, and she was just your average jo would anyone in her personal life call her this? I'm not saying it couldn't be possible and it's not something I'd ever say to a stay at home mom but I simply don't hear this language coming from young people. I also have never heard it from anyone really. My mom has never reported being called such names. Maybe it's the Midwest but being a stay at home mom is very common and accepted where I live, maybe even expected. 

I think it's partly made up and partly directly addressed at her personally and because she's upper middle class with housekeeper and nanny and didn't contribute in any form to the household. Because without her bible thumping on biblical womenhood, she is nothing more than a bored throphywife gone old, without much of social interaction in real life.

@fluffy no, not slathered, I put the butter only on one side of the roll, not on both

Edited July 6, 2019 by klein_roeschen
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[SweetLaurel]

2 hours ago, Sarah92 said:

Maybe it's the Midwest but being a stay at home mom is very common and accepted where I live, maybe even expected. 

I have never ever heard anyone saying that IRL  about stay at home moms, but as also a midwesterner - no one expects to be able to do that here anymore.  I know very few and we all think they are lucky .  Most people expect to   and do - work outside the house.   

ETA - and the ones who do stay home are mostly desperate for money and push MLM all the time.   

Edited July 6, 2019 by SweetLaurel
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[Lgirlrocks]

so a man says he is happily married even though his wife speaks. Good husbands want to hear what their wives have to say. Sometimes silent at the dinner table is needed. If someone is depressed or someone passed away. Those aren’t the normal though. We always talked a lot at the table. My dad worked all day and he wanted to hear what we did that day. 

Spoiler

Oh Julie you failed to understand that if a man is telling you you are wrong that you are and Lori is okay with it. Only men can speak on Lori’s page and it be okay. Women folk have to shut up and take a seat. 

Honestly though Jesse is right. You can’t let men act how ever they want if they call themselves a Christian. 

[thoughtful]

Well, Lori, I'm not going to back through all of the threads, or do a search, to find out if anyone here ever called you a whore. This is a pretty feminist place, so I would imagine that, if anyone did, they'd be an outlier.

What I've seen you compared to is a prostitute -- whole other thing. You may think they are synonymous, both meaning "women who have more than one sex partner." But they are not. A prostitute makes a living by offering sex in exchange for money or in barter. The word "whore" is used by people who want to shame a woman for having more sex partners than the speaker considers appropriate.

Now, being a prostitute is not necessarily something to be condemned -- an honest sex worker who has actually chosen to do that work is being straightforward about it. The reason it resonates as an insult when applied to you, Lori, is that you are not honest.

You display an attitude combining the snooty snobbishness of entitlement and the self-righeous nastiness of the faux-religious. You want brownie points for being a virtuous one-man wife who would never sell your body, since you say you wouldn't sell it to strangers.

But your view of sex is clearly transactional. You've said, over and over, that you "give" it to Ken in return for goods and services. You exchange sex, and perhaps the duties of an escort (dress how he likes, stay slim, be seen on his arm at family events, smile when photographed), in exchange for your very comfortable life. That's essentially prostitution, and the fact that it's only for one dude is moot.

Also, you've never been tested -- you've never been poor enough to find out what you would do if you had to scramble to survive. Your never needing to earn money by selling your body (or doing any other kind of work) is sheer coincidence -- daddy, Ken and good luck are responsible for your lifelong wealth, not your virtue. You also haven't contributed to your household or community in non-monetary ways like volunteering, raising your own children, or cleaning your own house.

If you were the least bit subtle or creative, Lori, it wouldn't be so obvious. But you never write anything truly affectionate about Ken -- not about his personality, his humor, his looks, his sex appeal, the way he treats you, or activities you enjoy together. And he never writes anything like that about you. And if you didn't lecture others about needing to be just like you, in a very public way, nobody would care.

tl:dr - It's really difficult not to see your household as a prostitute and her live-in John. And it's tempting to comment on that, since you try to slather (!) guilt all over other women for not following suit.

[SilverBeach]

9 hours ago, Loveday said:

And furthermore, I've never seen someone online call Lori either of those things.

I have called Lori many things, but whore isn't one of them. What a drama queen she is. I have known exactly no one to be vilified for being a SAHM. There's real Christian persecution taking place in this world, and she worries about silly bullshit. 

Edited July 7, 2019 by SilverBeach

[Petronella]

11 hours ago, thoughtful said:

Well, Lori, I'm not going to back through all of the threads, or do a search, to find out if anyone here ever called you a whore. This is a pretty feminist place, so I would imagine that, if anyone did, they'd be an outlier.

What I've seen you compared to is a prostitute -- whole other thing. You may think they are synonymous, both meaning "women who have more than one sex partner." But they are not. A prostitute makes a living by offering sex in exchange for money or in barter. The word "whore" is used by people who want to shame a woman for having more sex partners than the speaker considers appropriate.

Now, being a prostitute is not necessarily something to be condemned -- an honest sex worker who has actually chosen to do that work is being straightforward about it. The reason it resonates as an insult when applied to you, Lori, is that you are not honest.

You display an attitude combining the snooty snobbishness of entitlement and the self-righeous nastiness of the faux-religious. You want brownie points for being a virtuous one-man wife who would never sell your body, since you say you wouldn't sell it to strangers.

But your view of sex is clearly transactional. You've said, over and over, that you "give" it to Ken in return for goods and services. You exchange sex, and perhaps the duties of an escort (dress how he likes, stay slim, be seen on his arm at family events, smile when photographed), in exchange for your very comfortable life. That's essentially prostitution, and the fact that it's only for one dude is moot.

Also, you've never been tested -- you've never been poor enough to find out what you would do if you had to scramble to survive. Your never needing to earn money by selling your body (or doing any other kind of work) is sheer coincidence -- daddy, Ken and good luck are responsible for your lifelong wealth, not your virtue. You also haven't contributed to your household or community in non-monetary ways like volunteering, raising your own children, or cleaning your own house.

If you were the least bit subtle or creative, Lori, it wouldn't be so obvious. But you never write anything truly affectionate about Ken -- not about his personality, his humor, his looks, his sex appeal, the way he treats you, or activities you enjoy together. And he never writes anything like that about you. And if you didn't lecture others about needing to be just like you, in a very public way, nobody would care.

tl:dr - It's really difficult not to see your household as a prostitute and her live-in John. And it's tempting to comment on that, since you try to slather (!) guilt all over other women for not following suit.

Confused. Whore and prostitute both specifically refer to sex work in their literal meanings. Whore is *also* used as a general shaming word for a promiscuous person, but its origin and still-used definition is the same as prostitute.

I agree with the spirit and tone of your post but the etymology looks off to me.

Edited July 7, 2019 by Petronella

[thoughtful]

5 hours ago, Petronella said:

Confused. Whore and prostitute both specifically refer to sex work in their literal meanings. Whore is *also* used as a general shaming word for a promiscuous person, but its origin and still-used definition is the same as prostitute.

I agree with the spirit and tone of your post but the etymology looks off to me.

Despite being a word-nerd, I didn't think about the history and etymology of the word "whore." You're right, of course -- it can mean both, and historically was the word for a pro. I should have thought that through.

I guess I was thinking about modern usage, and I may be wrong about that, too. I'm happy to say I haven't heard anyone called a whore IRL, in either sense, for a long time. But I've seen it online, and it seems to me that, as a noun, it's usually someone insulting a woman for having more sex than they deem seemly (ooooh, say "deem seemly" 10 times, fast -- it's fun!).

I would imagine that, if someone wanted to make it clear to others that that money was involved, they'd need to be specific, that just saying "she's a whore" wouldn't do that for most  modern ears. But I could very well be wrong.

I imagine Lori used it because it sounds so KJVish and makes her sound like more of a persecuted victim.

[usmcmom]

Well, Ken shouldn’t call Lori a whore and a leech. I mean, I don’t like her at all but still...??

[Petronella]

I recall instances where it's been pointed out that Lori's emphasis on the transactional makes her use of sex more prostitutish than not. Also that her emphasis on Ken as provider more than companion makes her leech-like. So, yes, she has been called those things, but not because our society persecutes stay-at-home wives. It's because she takes perfectly nice homemaking to a monstrous extreme. As with most things at FJ, it's the extremism that's being criticized, not the religiousness or personal preferences.

Edited July 7, 2019 by Petronella

[Loveday]

Can someone tell me if Lori has posted a new entry on FB today? The latest entry I see is the women feeling guilty scribble from Friday. Has she not posted since then, or have I  somehow been blocked from seeing anything new? Which would be weird as I have never once commented or reacted to anything on her FB page.