Lori Alexander 58: A Family Holiday on the Toilet

[Imrlgoddess]

The thing that galls me about her whole Proverbs 31 hangup is it was written to be a diagram of a good queen, a woman of major status.  I think if someone were to find some historically accurate information on how goods were bought and sold during that time period, she would find that yes indeed...that high born woman herself, or servants on her behalf did go to a marketplace to sell.  Whether it took all day or several days, that was the job.  Does she even understand the idea of "finding flax and wool"...either the woman went out and harvested the flax or sheared the sheep, or she bought it from the source...they didn't bring the goods to her.  Yes, there was a measure of work done not in her house, not with kids hanging off of her.  In order to consider a field and buy it, she had to have working knowledge of finances, bartering, crop conditions, and paid vs unpaid labor.  AKA--she needed to have a measure of education!

It flat out says, she delivers the girdles to the merchant!  Merchants didn't just appear at the door to buy things.  Someone had to bring them down to a common area where they were sold or bartered.  At the very least, if this woman was royalty and had servants, then she worked at running not only her home, but portions of her kingdom.  Even the highest of managers have to go down from time to time and make sure things are rolling the way they should.  She would have had to step out to personally inspect or approve of purchases or barter a price.  Her husband, her king, should be proud of having an intelligent, savvy wife who could pull some of the weight.  

Lori's laziness knows no bounds.  She really blows my mind most days.....

[SassyPantswithASideofClass]

ugh, did anyone read her latest blog? Basically bashing all working moms. I'm like birch please. You've never worked a day in your life..... Some women who are moms have to work, some don't. Yet I have never met a mom (at least not yet) who thought I was hurting my child by being a full time single mom and working. Actually I have received encouragement, and yes even extra help when I needed it. Too bad she wouldn't know what reality was if it walked up to her and smacked her in the face.

[Imrlgoddess]

8 minutes ago, ladyicantxplain said:

Are you saying there is ANOTHER comment with a link to Roosh V. remaining on a recent post?  Where is it, please?  I am not seeing it..

Under the Warning to 20 Year Old Women, a male commenter put the link and said we should judge it only by the accuracy of the content, not by how it makes one feel. 

[ladyicantxplain]

@Imrlgoddess, thank you, I see it.

I should say I am not surprised by her reply:

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The Transformed Wife writes:  I do believe the devastation our country is experiencing is due to feminism and women wanting to rule over men ("As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths" Is. 3:12) but this seems a bit too drastic and way too controlling. It is men who are allowing women to take over their positions in the churches (which should never happen) and in the government and it has produced nothing good. God did create men to lead! This is clearly obvious in the Word of God but He didn't create men to control women's every action as in Muslim countries. I think men need to begin standing up to women in the churches and say, "NO, you can't teach nor be in authority over men." As I have written before, I wish women were never given the right to vote since they are voting for everything that destroys nations like big, intrusive governments and leftist policies. There's no easy solution but godly, older women need to keep teaching the younger women the beautiful ways of biblical womanhood. THIS is the best solution, although most women despise it because of the feminist influence in their lives which is destroying marriages, homes, children, and nations.

Close, Lori, but no cigar. "A bit too drastic and way too controlling" isn't quite enough.  Try using some of those words you use for women bloggers and women preachers and the like.  Here, let me help: Roosh's writings are godless and heretical, false teachings which lead many astray and harm women.  Fixed it for you.

[AlwaysDiscerning]

There are a lot of comments now underneath Lori commented..it doesn't bother her at all.

[Koala]

In today's Facebook comments, Lori refers to her mom:

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She invested her life in her family and they were caring for and loving her until the moment she breathed her last. What can be greater than this?

What could be greater?  Let's see.....oh!  I've got one.  What if you'd stopped pampering yourself long enough to leave your vacation and go be with your mom?  Maybe then they wouldn't have had to postpone her funeral until you decided to come home, nearly 2 months later.

But hey, at least you're honest.  "They were caring for her....".  To say "We were caring for her" would have been a lie, so I guess there's that.

[SassyPantswithASideofClass]

6 minutes ago, AlwaysDiscerning said:

There are a lot of comments now underneath Lori commented..it doesn't bother her at all.

oy, I can't even. That makes me so mad. I've lost track of how many times I have had to help rescue and save my friends from abusive relationships. One friend, my other friend and I rescued didn't speak to us for a long time. Finally she came back to us and said that was the best thing we did for her. I can say she is married to a wonderful man whom we all love and adore. He treats her like a queen. The second friend was abused and she was able to get out. I can say she is now happily dating a really good man, who is WAY better than her sorry pos ex-husband.

[Free Jana Duggar]

30 minutes ago, Imrlgoddess said:

The thing that galls me about her whole Proverbs 31 hangup is it was written to be a diagram of a good queen, a woman of major status.  I think if someone were to find some historically accurate information on how goods were bought and sold during that time period, she would find that yes indeed...that high born woman herself, or servants on her behalf did go to a marketplace to sell.  Whether it took all day or several days, that was the job.  Does she even understand the idea of "finding flax and wool"...either the woman went out and harvested the flax or sheared the sheep, or she bought it from the source...they didn't bring the goods to her.  Yes, there was a measure of work done not in her house, not with kids hanging off of her.  In order to consider a field and buy it, she had to have working knowledge of finances, bartering, crop conditions, and paid vs unpaid labor.  AKA--she needed to have a measure of education!

It flat out says, she delivers the girdles to the merchant!  Merchants didn't just appear at the door to buy things.  Someone had to bring them down to a common area where they were sold or bartered.  At the very least, if this woman was royalty and had servants, then she worked at running not only her home, but portions of her kingdom.  Even the highest of managers have to go down from time to time and make sure things are rolling the way they should.  She would have had to step out to personally inspect or approve of purchases or barter a price.  Her husband, her king, should be proud of having an intelligent, savvy wife who could pull some of the weight.  

Lori's laziness knows no bounds.  She really blows my mind most days.....

I have said the exact same thing. The Proverbs 31 woman could not have stayed home all day.  She had to go outside to consider a field to buy.  There was no Amazon to ship wool and flax. She had to go get it.

And yes, goods were sold in a market place. We don't know how often she went or how long she stayed, but we do know she wouldn't have had strangers (merchants who were probably mostly men) coming to her house without her husband home.

It also says she had servants. Who can say she didn't leave her children with them while she went out?

[SongRed7]

48 minutes ago, ladyicantxplain said:

Are you saying there is ANOTHER comment with a link to Roosh V. remaining on a recent post?  Where is it, please?  I am not seeing it...

Some guy name Kyle posted this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosh_V'

Truly advocating for women to be property, no better than slaves...

 

[ViolaSebastian]

Look, I’m no fan of Lori, but when *Lori* says something is too drastic and controlling? Then you can bet your ass it’s too drastic and controlling. 

...also, if I had to have a “male mentor” (since my father and uncle aren’t in my life for good reason), I would pester him for permission every time I put something in my mouth to eat. Peanut m&ms? Phone call. Banana? Phone call. Ham sandwich? Phone call. By the end of it he wouldn’t give a shit about my diet or anything else other than getting me to stop calling. 

[SongRed7]

48 minutes ago, ladyicantxplain said:

Close, Lori, but no cigar. "A bit too drastic and way too controlling" isn't quite enough.  Try using some of those words you use for women bloggers and women preachers and the like.

and then she goes on to say how men should take control of women and church and they should have never been given the right to vote.  So in essence she doesn't agree with Roosh, but  agrees with him.....SMH

 

[klein_roeschen]

5 minutes ago, Free Jana Duggar said:

I have said the exact same thing. The Proverbs 31 woman could not have stayed home all day.  She had to go outside to consider a field to buy.  There was no Amazon to ship wool and flax. She had to go get it.

And yes, goods were sold in a market place. We don't know how often she went or how long she stayed, but we do know she wouldn't have had strangers (merchants who were probably mostly men) coming to her house without her husband home.

It also says she had servants. Who can say she didn't leave her children with them while she went out?

And even in countries like Saudi Arabia, where women are far more opressed and controlled like in the western countries, women go to the market themselves to get the goods they need for the household. Since ancient times, women do the shopping of the everyday household goods, since the running of the household is their business. It was also a important meeting place for women to meet their neighbors to chat and socialise and still is today. And shopping for food is seen as womens work.

[SilverBeach]

18 hours ago, Coconut Flan said:

Eh, I'm older than she is and it really isn't indicative of women in their 60s overall.  I know very few who are June Cleaver types.  In fact it's maybe two or three.  I never was.  We were tiny tots or in elementary school in the 50s and I didn't find that defining at all.  The 60s were where a lot of the change set in.  

 

It sure isn't. Sixty-three here. All my friends went on to college and work/careers after high school. Most of us still work full-time. I knew no June Cleaver types. And anybody asking me to iron anything has a good chance of getting cut.

[delphinium65]

Adding to the no-ironing train here!  I hate ironing, and will do almost anything I have to in order to avoid it.  When I started doing heat transfer vinyl designs on t-shirts, tote bags, etc, I had to buy an iron, heat press is a bit too pricey for me right now...that iron has yet to be used for non-craft purposes, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon.  

[SilverBeach]

5 minutes ago, delphinium65 said:

Adding to the no-ironing train here!  I hate ironing, and will do almost anything I have to in order to avoid it.

I should buy stock in Downy wrinkle release spray. No, you aren't going to get a sharp crease, but I don't use in on those kinds of garments, which I dry clean. Garments promptly removed from the dryer and the spray if needed makes things presentable.

[SuperNova]

1 hour ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Look, I’m no fan of Lori, but when *Lori* says something is too drastic and controlling? Then you can bet your ass it’s too drastic and controlling. 

I took her comment as just another way to minimize a woman's strength. The only idea she finds drastic is the one where women can take the lead without a man's permission. Lori can't have women believing that they have any power.

[Alisamer]

1 hour ago, delphinium65 said:

Adding to the no-ironing train here!  I hate ironing, and will do almost anything I have to in order to avoid it.  When I started doing heat transfer vinyl designs on t-shirts, tote bags, etc, I had to buy an iron, heat press is a bit too pricey for me right now...that iron has yet to be used for non-craft purposes, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon.  

Pretty similar here. I don't do heat-transfer vinyl (my sister does!) but I occasionally sew, and ironing really, really, really makes that easier. So I iron like crazy when I'm sewing. And I have, in desperation, once or twice ironed a pair of pants. I usually wet a washcloth and toss it in the dryer for a while and call that close enough. I will also iron my doll's clothes. I've probably ironed their stuff more than my own, actually! They get lint rolled, clothes ironed, hair styled, accessories on and spiffed up before meetups. I brush my hair and put on clean clothes and call it good enough.

@ViolaSebastian I agree, I'd probably do the same thing. Remember though, Lori had to call her son in law to ask what to do when she had to evacuate for a fire, so she probably thinks all women are as feeble-minded and helpless as herself. 

Lori. You're misinterpreting parts of the Bible, while blatantly ignoring other parts of it. Maybe go find a male mentor who can explain it to you. Not your husband, not someone with an honorary doctorate from a basement bible college, but an actual educated scholar who knows the bible. Like my pastor, for example, who has a doctorate and is extremely knowledgeable about the bible front to back. Oh, wait. He encourages women to become pastors, teach, and help lead the church, his wife works full time, they have only one child, and that child - a daughter - is in college majoring in science. I'm pretty sure he'd hate Lori's perfect ways.

[ladyicantxplain]

2 hours ago, SongRed7 said:

and then she goes on to say how men should take control of women and church and they should have never been given the right to vote.  So in essence she doesn't agree with Roosh, but  agrees with him.....SMH

 

Exactly. She has been so double-minded that she hasn't been able to discern that she actually DOES agree with Roosh.

Here is another example from a comment of hers on that thread:

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Women just need to be told God's will for them and how wonderful it is. - Lori Alexander, TTW

No, Lori, women do not "just need to be told God's will for them" according to your exegesis of scripture.  Because it is false teaching. It is a tiny bit of truth mixed with so much error that it is dangerous and oppressive.

[kpmom]

2 hours ago, SilverBeach said:

It sure isn't. Sixty-three here. All my friends went on to college and work/careers after high school. Most of us still work full-time. I knew no June Cleaver types. And anybody asking me to iron anything has a good chance of getting cut.

Agree.

It was women who are now in their 60's, 70's and 80's who began and rode the second wave feminism.

Women, ironically, right in Lori's age group.

[SuperNova]

1 hour ago, Alisamer said:

 I don't do heat-transfer vinyl (my sister does!) but I occasionally sew, and ironing really, really, really makes that easier. So I iron like crazy when I'm sewing.

Ironing makes all the difference when you sew!

I love to iron. It's very relaxing to me, so much so that whenever I have trouble sleeping I get up and iron for awhile. I collect fabric as a hobby so there's often a stack waiting to be pressed before storage. My favorite thing to iron are silk sari. Six yards of fabric with a warm iron and after that I'm usually ready for bed.

[Frog99]

10 minutes ago, kpmom said:

Agree.

It was women who are now in their 60's, 70's and 80's who began and rode the second wave feminism.

Women, ironically, right in Lori's age group.

My mom is in her 70’s- she’s retired now but worked while we were growing up. Most of her friends worked, and most of my friends growing up had working parents. 

She helps me with my kiddos when needed (I try to balance asking her to help with paying someone to help). She takes great joy in her grandchildren. Even so, she has a life. I want her to enjoy lunches and dinners with friends and vacations and day trips with my dad. They both worked hard. I don’t want or need them at my beck and call. And I know this is individual, but after I had both kids, I didn’t want someone staying at my home. That would have been too stressful. She was very good at keeping boundaries and has always respected our parental decision making and authority. 

[ViolaSebastian]

Back to the Roosh article and my best buddy's comments about it, anecdotally, I know more "man-boys" than "childish" women. I couldn't tell you exactly why that is, but perhaps its because I know a fair number of women who are raising their kiddos on their own and/or had to grow up in a hurry and take on adult responsibilities like caring for parents. Professionally, I also run across young women who are the sole breadwinners while their boyfriend does nothing to very little, but relatively few cases of the opposite circumstance. Again, my observations are completely anecdotal and could come down to any number of things.

[wallysmommy]

Oh, ironing!  I opened my attic in my house (the one I inherited from my parents last year) and I found about 6 new Rowenta irons still in boxes.  My dad was a service manager for Hoover, which bought out Rowenta, so he ended up with a bunch of irons.  I rarely iron, and if I do it's to press my finished cross-stitch.  DressBarn dresses and Dillard's pants don't need to be ironed.  It is my goal to live in a wash-and-wear world.

[PennySycamore]

@wallysmommy,  oh man, Rowenta irons are the best!  I loaned mine to my daughter and I don't mind if she keeps it since she sews.  I've got my mom's nice and heavy old GE iron.  I like to iron, but I need a good ironing board.  Mine is a bit unstable.

I know there was a trend about 40 or so years ago towards lightweight irons, but it's hard for them to get the wrinkles out. With an old-fashioned heavier weight iron, the weight of the iron does a lot of the work in getting stubborn wrinkles out.  A heavy iron is actually less tiring.  

[SuperNova]

26 minutes ago, PennySycamore said:

@wallysmommy,  oh man, Rowenta irons are the best!  I loaned mine to my daughter and I don't mind if she keeps it since she sews.  I've got my mom's nice and heavy old GE iron.  I like to iron, but I need a good ironing board.  Mine is a bit unstable.

I know there was a trend about 40 or so years ago towards lightweight irons, but it's hard for them to get the wrinkles out. With an old-fashioned heavier weight iron, the weight of the iron does a lot of the work in getting stubborn wrinkles out.  A heavy iron is actually less tiring.  

I'm with you on the old school door stopper irons. There's nothing better for heavyweight cottons. Although, I would love to have the Rowenta with the narrow tip for garment making but they're so expensive. Or maybe an Oliso. Eventually I'll break down and shell out the money.