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[singsingsing]

Maybe I'm really cynical, but with the access kids have to technology, smart phones, tablets, etc. these days, the average first age of exposure to pornography being around 9 wouldn't surprise me at all.

[sleepy_doggos]

Maybe I'm really cynical, but with the access kids have to technology, smart phones, tablets, etc. these days, the average first age of exposure to pornography being around 9 wouldn't surprise me at all.

It wouldn't surprise me either. In 1990, yes, that would be shocking. Today not so much. I believe I saw an interview on UK TV (no idea the source) where they surveyed older kids/younger teens about porn viewing and extrapolated about basically receiving a sexual education from porn, surveyed them about their knowledge of appropriate consent, etc. So I've heard maybe not the exact statistic but certainly something similar.

[JermajestyDuggar]

The problem is that there is very little info on the average age of first porn viewing. There are no clear numbers. So Braggie just pulled it out of her ass. And since it’s believable, her humpers will never question it and believe it as fact. And it will help to further solidify their beliefs that the world is a scary heathen place and they all need to keep their kids in a bubble for as long as possible. 

[sleepy_doggos]

The problem is that there is very little info on the average age of first porn viewing. There are no clear numbers. So Braggie just pulled it out of her ass. And since it’s believanle, her humpers will never question it and believe it as fact. Angit will help to further solidify their beliefs that the world is a scary heathen place and they all need to keep their kids in a bubble for as long as possible. 

Absolutely true. Ignorance is the worst teacher. It would be better if she talked to her kids about sex in a healthy way and introduced them to it in an age appropriate manner instead of fear-mongering about it.

[JermajestyDuggar]

According to Instagram, Braggie’s family must be caroling with the Flanders family. I’m surprised Braggie didn’t post about it. She probably didn’t get a perfect picture to post so it didn’t happen. 

[luv2laugh]

She is a total leg humper of Mama Flanders. She is her biggest fan on Instagram and comments on almost every photo. I think the Flanders attend the same megachurch as Braggie and are part of the same co-op. I believe the Flanders were part of IBLP for awhile but I’m not sure. I vaguely recall them running in the same circles as the Duggars for awhile. The father is a doctor (anesthesiologist, I believe) and all of the oldest (of 12) kids either went to medical or dental school. I was happy they at least supported their daughter going to dental school. 

I am surprised that Mama Flanders puts up with vain Braggie and her gigantic ego as she doesn’t seem the type to be “down with that”. Perhaps she feels she could be a Godly Christian mentor to help Braggie’s ways. I admire how the Flanders educate but I believe they are strict disciplinarians and I’m certain they blanket trained as well as spanked like the Pearls.

Mama Jennifer Flanders is pretty active on Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/flanders_family/?hl=en

[EowynW]

If the Flanders were in IBLP then they'd have been in the same circle as Mr. EW & his family when he was growing up. I'll ask him tonight. 

[SuperNova]

I was bored last night so I spent some time on Abbie's Insta and ended up going back as far as the twins birth. Abbie was like a different person then. She seemed much more relaxed and able to enjoy her life. There's a number of posts with her actually engaging with the children in a positive way, no backhanded compliments. I was surprised to see a post of one of the children looking disheveled with a dirty face from eating oreos and Abbie's comment was something silly. She and her husband were more like a unit and together more than they seem to be now. Abbie's social life away from her children looked to be more active as well. She even smiled differently back then.

All in all, I would say that she seemed more present, happy, and emotionally available. No doubt that even then she was still incredibly vain but there was more balance. Things began to change around the time she dreamed up her signature phrase of "hard isn't the same as bad". It seems like she uses it to try to convince herself that this is the life that she wants. No one forced Abbie to continue down this path and have so many kids. Her incessant need to be the best, look the skinniest, have the most kids, spend less on more expensive stuff, etc., keeps me from feeling sorry for her. I only feel bad for the kids.

[Off the Rails]

I just need to drop this somewhere, and I don't know where else, so hope no one minds a little rant.

Her post today really triggered me. Her baby is breech, but she's not worried because one of her twins was also breech and turned in time.  It came across as such a laissez faire attitude, like she doesn't need to worry about it because she's so amazing at being pregnant and giving birth nothing will ever go wrong.

I can't go back and read any of her birth stories or handle her posts about her home births because they always come across as if she has some special gifting that makes her so amazing at giving birth, and anyone can have an uncomplicated, unmedicated birth at home if they were just as strong and determined and healthy as she.

I had extremely complicated births, in the hospital, with maximum interventions that led to one of my little ones having a couple years of PT/OT. And an almost 5 month hospital/NICU stay, general anesthesia c-section for an emergency delivery at 26 weeks for my youngest this year. So I know I'm oversensitive reading Abbie's pregnancy and birth posts. But it seems like there are better ways to phrase things so as to not belittle anyone who doesn't (or CAN'T, sincerely CAN'T) do it the way you do. 

There are other instagram accounts or bloggers who have uncomplicated births and I don't feel ashamed or defensive or triggered reading their posts. Abbie really comes across so unkindly underneath her veneer.

[nastyhobbitses]

On 12/7/2018 at 9:38 PM, singsingsing said:

Maybe I'm really cynical, but with the access kids have to technology, smart phones, tablets, etc. these days, the average first age of exposure to pornography being around 9 wouldn't surprise me at all.

Oh, I learned Rule 34 mighty quick when I was 8 and was trying to find princess dress-up games online. The internet really is for porn. Though then again my friends and I also had loads of fun offline trying to get all our Sims to get naked and have sex before we killed them in the swimming pool (how we didn't all become serial killers is beyond me). Aaaaaand I may have been reading smutty and anatomically impossible fan fiction by age 12. 

I guess my point is that yeah, your kids are going to find inappropriate shit. Kids have found inappropriate shit since the dawn of time, whether it's little Johnny finding Grandpa's Playboy stash or little NastyHobbitses reading about every male Lord of the Rings character having bed-breaking sex with every other male Lord of the Rings character (and the Balrog). 

[singsingsing]

6 hours ago, nastyhobbitses said:

Oh, I learned Rule 34 mighty quick when I was 8 and was trying to find princess dress-up games online. The internet really is for porn. Though then again my friends and I also had loads of fun offline trying to get all our Sims to get naked and have sex before we killed them in the swimming pool (how we didn't all become serial killers is beyond me). Aaaaaand I may have been reading smutty and anatomically impossible fan fiction by age 12. 

I guess my point is that yeah, your kids are going to find inappropriate shit. Kids have found inappropriate shit since the dawn of time, whether it's little Johnny finding Grandpa's Playboy stash or little NastyHobbitses reading about every male Lord of the Rings character having bed-breaking sex with every other male Lord of the Rings character (and the Balrog). 

Ohhh the amount of ridiculous X-rated LotR/Harry Potter fan fiction I read between the ages of 12 and 17... 

I can't even remember the first time I encountered porn. It obviously didn't scar me or make any kind of significant impression on me. I'm not trying to diminish the negative effects that early exposure to pornography (especially the hardcore stuff) can have on kids, but a lot of it is just normal sexual curiosity/exploration and ultimately fairly harmless. Honestly, I'm just glad I don't have kids and I don't have to try and figure out how best to balance shielding them from stuff they're not ready to be seeing and not over-sheltering them.

[TuringMachine]

@SuperNova you think the twins' birth was her laundry room meltdown?

[luv2laugh]

15 hours ago, Off the Rails said:

I just need to drop this somewhere, and I don't know where else, so hope no one minds a little rant.

Her post today really triggered me. Her baby is breech, but she's not worried because one of her twins was also breech and turned in time.  It came across as such a laissez faire attitude, like she doesn't need to worry about it because she's so amazing at being pregnant and giving birth nothing will ever go wrong.

I can't go back and read any of her birth stories or handle her posts about her home births because they always come across as if she has some special gifting that makes her so amazing at giving birth, and anyone can have an uncomplicated, unmedicated birth at home if they were just as strong and determined and healthy as she.

I had extremely complicated births, in the hospital, with maximum interventions that led to one of my little ones having a couple years of PT/OT. And an almost 5 month hospital/NICU stay, general anesthesia c-section for an emergency delivery at 26 weeks for my youngest this year. So I know I'm oversensitive reading Abbie's pregnancy and birth posts. But it seems like there are better ways to phrase things so as to not belittle anyone who doesn't (or CAN'T, sincerely CAN'T) do it the way you do. 

There are other instagram accounts or bloggers who have uncomplicated births and I don't feel ashamed or defensive or triggered reading their posts. Abbie really comes across so unkindly underneath her veneer.

My exact thoughts! It triggered me too. She thinks she’s a pregnant unicorn princess that doesn’t need to worry about serious complications.

[JermajestyDuggar]

I think one day Braggie will need to be transferred to the hospital for a birth and she will act like it is the end of the world. 

[luv2laugh]

Braggie’s MIL is a nurse and after I read her blog from the early days, I’ve sensed they do not get along. She smack talked her MIL questioning her homebirths. Braggie has to be a real idiot to attempt a homebirth with a breech baby but OH since she delivered one of the twins breech, who turned during labor, that makes everything OK. If she brags about going through with homebirthing a breech baby, that’s actually promoting something dangerous.

Even the Duggars aren’t that stupid. 

Having a C-section may not be ideal but it’s not the end of the world as she makes it out to be. She’s had 6 natural births and she needs to prioritize the baby’s safety rather than her huge ego.

Also, on a related note, I’m tired of women putting others down for needing a C-section, as if they’re some sort of “loser” or “weak”. I found Braggie’s fangirls commenting “You can do it! You’re a tough cookie!” extremely disgusting. I guess C-section birthers aren’t “tough cookies”. Jill Duggar wanted a natural birth more than anyone and still needed a C-section. How about encouraging other women like her that how we have a baby does not matter? Having a natural birth does not make you a “winner”.

[SassyPants]

8 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I think one day Braggie will need to be transferred to the hospital for a birth and she will act like it is the end of the world. 

Much like Michelle pushed it until she had a micro preemie and late term miscarriage.

[ladyaudley]

Ugh, that post today. God is all about the little details in our life, like her finding it hard to stump up exact change for 7 kids and then when she was a dollar short her husband had one? What even is this? 

[TuringMachine]

19 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

Even the Duggars aren’t that stupid. 

I'm not sure I agree with that.  Joy tried a home birth with a midwife (possibly Jill) who couldn't figure out that the baby was large or breach until well into the labor. And this was after watching her sisters fail to have home births due to large babies.

Plus Jill's instagram is a treasure trove of promoting questionable parenting.

[luv2laugh]

2 hours ago, TuringMachine said:

I'm not sure I agree with that.  Joy tried a home birth with a midwife (possibly Jill) who couldn't figure out that the baby was large or breach until well into the labor. And this was after watching her sisters fail to have home births due to large babies.

Plus Jill's instagram is a treasure trove of promoting questionable parenting.

They’ve had very risky births but they ultimately consented to being transferred to the hospital and having C-sections. Joy did once they found out the baby was breech.

When Braggie found out one of the twins was footling breech during delivery, she did not transfer but rather delivered it breech at home. 

Now, Braggie is bragging about it being NO BIGGIE that the baby is breech and she has a “been there, done that” attitude. 

[SuperNova]

11 hours ago, ladyaudley said:

Ugh, that post today. God is all about the little details in our life, like her finding it hard to stump up exact change for 7 kids and then when she was a dollar short her husband had one? What even is this? 

God doesn't have time to help homeless hungry children or sick people because he's too busy making sure Abbie has exact fucking change for homeschool courses. What an absolute garbage human being she is.

[luv2laugh]

29 minutes ago, SuperNova said:

God doesn't have time to help homeless hungry children or sick people because he's too busy making sure Abbie has exact fucking change for homeschool courses. What an absolute garbage human being she is.

Abbie is extremely self-centered and stupid. Why do Christians need to be reminded of God’s presence in “the little things”? I’d say that Christians would rather be encouraged of God’s presence in the BIG things because we all know of someone who fervently prayed on their knees for something such as cancer in a family member to go away, and it didn’t happen. 

Braggie is someone that’s not merely “drama queen” with a diva attitude... She is beyond that...

[TuringMachine]

I know @JermajestyDuggar said she probably thanks jesus for her bowel movements as a joke, but now I'm starting to think it might be true.

[luv2laugh]

Thanking Jesus is probably her “go to” remedy for relieving pregnancy constipation.

”Thank you Jesus! “OH thanks be to you, Almighty God!” “AMEN!”

Can we get a Bro Gary kind of AMEN? “HAYYYMUN!” I miss that forum sometimes but I’ve had a stronger gag reflex lately so I have been avoiding it.

I cannot handle how he shouts the “HAYYYYMUN!” as if he is sneezing. It gets me every single time with hysterical laughter and tears.

[SuperNova]

On 12/11/2018 at 10:29 AM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I think one day Braggie will need to be transferred to the hospital for a birth and she will act like it is the end of the world. 

All she needs to do is come up with another Pintrest style self help one liner to get her through it. How about, "hospital births aren't the same thing as bad"

[luv2laugh]

She posted a picture on Instagram of her very long kitchen island and calls it the “best design idea ever” of the house.

It’s the “best design idea ever” because she needed it to be long enough for all of her kids to have enough room to cook dinner while she puts her feet up and browses Anthropologie on Ebay.