Lori Alexander 52: Looking for Debt-free Virgins Without Tatoos

[onekidanddone]

On 7/27/2018 at 3:22 PM, EyesOpen said:

I’m having a hard time remembering... did she go ‘viral’? 

I think Lori has her terminology mixed up. What she really meant is SHE is a virus

[Sarah92]

I found the piece that I think Lori is referencing about Jesus loving the Christian "bad girl". It was posted on the Unraveling. I got the impression that it was saying you don't have to be perfect to participate in the church community. That Jesus still loves you and you can still love him. It was grace filled. What did Lori do? React like many people with pasts fear church people will react. It can be so hard to be vulnerable in churches because of fear of judgement and it went right over Lori's head. 

[Leftitinmysnood]

Hey, I've raised someone from the dead, too! Bystander CPR for the win! Of course, my goldfish would have kept him from dying a week later, but it was the best I could do at the moment.

[Meeka]

In her doodle about Christian bad girls and noticed this comment by her. Is this even biblical that you are no longer a sinner when you receive Christ?

[EowynW]

4 hours ago, Meeka said:

In her doodle about Christian bad girls and noticed this comment by her. Is this even biblical that you are no longer a sinner when you receive Christ?

Nope. She follows Michael pearl's sinless perfection bullshit. 

[usmcmom]

Ken and Lori beleive that once you become a "saved" Christian you no longer have to ask God for forgiveness of your sins.*

It's a very handy belief system for people like them because, in my opinion, they have some pretty ugly stuff going on in their home. But, it's all good because they are "saved."

Let's say, for instance, Ken spends an afternoon viewing porn (which he says most men do anyway so what's the big deal, right?) He might feel a little bad about it, believing it is a sin, but he does not have to ask God for forgiveness bcause that one time covered all his sins, even the future ones. 

*I remember when I read that from Lori, my jaw just dropped open and I stared at the words for several seconds. I have never heard anybody express this belief before. 

These people are nuts! 

Also, I think I've said it already but Lori's viral post is actually quite fitting since I  consider her writing to be the Herpes of The Internet. 

[Meeka]

7 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

Ken and Lori beleive that once you become a "saved" Christian you no longer have to ask God for forgiveness of your sins.

This thinking seems to just let them off the hook to participate in any bad behaviour without consequences. How can a person not be a sinner if they commit sins? Can a steal without being a thief, murder without being a murderer?  If they are not capable of commiting sin they why is Lori and Ken always going on about other sins if they cannot be a sinner and no longer need to ask for forgiveness. I guess that is when they pull out the old "You must not be a Christian then". 

[ladyicantxplain]

4 hours ago, Meeka said:

In her doodle about Christian bad girls and noticed this comment by her. Is this even biblical that you are no longer a sinner when you receive Christ?

This is what the Bible has to say:

2 Corinthians 5:21 Amplified Bible (AMP)

21 He made Christ who knew no sin to [judicially] be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we would become the righteousness of God [that is, we would be made acceptable to Him and placed in a right relationship with Him by His gracious lovingkindness].

So, to answer your question, when a person is in Christ (a Christian), this becomes a LEGAL matter: Jesus' righteousness is IMPUTED to the person.  Legally, the person is righteous, and made right with God, and is no longer IDENTIFIED by sin (a sinner.)

2 Corinthians 5:17 Amplified Bible (AMP)

17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ [that is, grafted in, joined to Him by faith in Him as Savior], he is a new creature [reborn and renewed by the Holy Spirit]; the old things [the previous moral and spiritual condition] have passed away. Behold, new things have come [because spiritual awakening brings a new life].

So, the person in Christ is NEW.  All of the old things are passed away, according to the Bible. When God looks at this NEW person, He sees what His Son accomplished at the whipping post and the Cross.

That being said, it is clear that even new creations in Christ will still sin.  We make mistakes; we miss the mark.  We say the wrong things.  We react the wrong way.  Though we IDENTIFY as saints (born again, new creations in Christ), we deceive ourselves if we think we have no sin.

This is why we are told to do as it is written here:

James 5:16 Amplified Bible (AMP)

16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another [your false steps, your offenses], and pray for one another, that you may be healed and restored. The heartfelt and persistent prayer of a righteous man (believer) can accomplish much [when put into action and made effective by God—it is dynamic and can have tremendous power].

This scripture is for relational healing.  When we mess up and sin, there is a solution, as outlined in James.  CONFESS our sins to one another, and PRAY for one another, so that we may be HEALED AND RESTORED. (Because sin sometimes breaks relationships and hurts people.)

Yes, we are new creations.  New creations who still fall and fail sometimes.  In that case, we are to do what the Bible outlines so that sin doesn't keep destroying things, and our earthly relationships remain as righteous as our relationship with our heavenly Father.

Quote

Sam Powell

July 30 at 1:31 PM · 

One of the saddest things to me is when my non-Christian friends see things like The Transformed Wife and think that is what Christianity is.
So here is the truth:
The Transformed Wife is not Christianity.
Complementarianism is not Christianity - they don't even have the basics of the doctrine of Christ correct.
Paige Patterson is not Christianity.

I am so very sorry that abusive, misogynistic, racist, BDSM freaks have hijacked Christianity for their own purposes.
But Jesus warned us that it would be like that.

Yet saints their watch are keeping...

Above is a quote from Pastor Sam Powell.

I didn't know he existed until a few days ago.

I think I like this man.

 

[Sarah92]

Uh Lori do you have a verse for that? And you do know that pornagraphy usually leads to masturbation right? Which, you know, involves the flesh. Not to mention the addictive nature, its involvement in human trafficking, the pain it causes a wife, how it impacts sex with one's spouse, porn induced ED... A lot of those are physical in nature. Furthermore, because children are being introduced to porn so young, it's impacting their ability to form stable, romantic relationships with others as they learn about sex from unrealistic porn because their parents won't talk about it. Women divorce their husbands because of the far reaching consequences of porn use (and other things) not because they can't comprehend that it's supposedly different. 

[ladyicantxplain]

@Sarah92, that makes my blood boil.

Lori has it backwards.

Jesus was showing them that what they had been told about adultery was the tip of the iceberg: that what God demands in righteousness is BEYOND the physical act itself, and instead, cuts deep to the heart and mind of the matter.  Jesus requires MORE than merely abstaining from the physical act of adultery!  He requires NOT EVEN THE THOUGHT OF IT!

Oh God have mercy.

This is the kind of thing that has wives thinking, "Oh, it's not THAT bad...he's not really sinning against me...he's just watching porn.  That's all."

This is the kind of thing that causes men's sins to go unchecked for so long that destruction ensues, as you said above.

[Alisamer]

29 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

Ken and Lori beleive that once you become a "saved" Christian you no longer have to ask God for forgiveness of your sins.*

It's a very handy belief system for people like them because, in my opinion, they have some pretty ugly stuff going on in their home. But, it's all good because they are "saved."

Wha? What does she think "Forgive us our trespasses/debts..." refers to?

That is a handy belief system. Reminds me of the girl I know who slept with every guy she could get into bed during high school, was engaged so many times I joked with her she was saving the diamonds to have a tennis bracelet made, and then finally converted to Catholicism so she could just confess it all and be good-to-go-to-heaven. Even when she was cheating on her husband with the (also married) Dom at the S&M place she went to frequently.

[delphinium65]

11 minutes ago, Sarah92 said:

Uh Lori do you have a verse for that? 

Not only does she not have a verse for that, she's reading a meaning into it that is opposite what Jesus said.  Someone should remind Lori that the Bible is meant to be taken literally (as she does with other verses), and when Jesus said 'Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart,' that's exactly what he meant.  We're not supposed to add to, or take away from, the Word (which Lori does on a daily basis) .  Why does she want to rebel against God? It's so clear that a child can understand it (as she says when women disagree with her), so why does she hate God's Perfect Ways? 

Yeah, she's that ridiculous. 

[Imrlgoddess]

39 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

Ken and Lori beleive that once you become a "saved" Christian you no longer have to ask God for forgiveness of your sins.*

They have to believe this, they are perfect.  How many times has she said she didn't need anyone other than Ken "rebuking" her?  They really and truly believe they are doing God's work and are infallible.  The pride level on this broad is astounding.  She can sit around and talk or write about whatever she wants in whatever tone because she's living exactly according to the standard.  They aren't judgmental: they sit in righteous judgement.  They don't lust:  they are just doing what God made them to do.  They're not abusive:  the book said use a rod.  They were "saved" and now she's been "transformed"....they do no wrong.  And if they do it's all good, God doesn't mind. 

Psy. Cho. Tic. 

[Sarah92]

13 minutes ago, ladyicantxplain said:

@Sarah92, that makes my blood boil.

Lori has it backwards.

Jesus was showing them that what they had been told about adultery was the tip of the iceberg: that what God demands in righteousness is BEYOND the physical act itself, and instead, cuts deep to the heart and mind of the matter.  Jesus requires MORE than merely abstaining from the physical act of adultery!  He requires NOT EVEN THE THOUGHT OF IT!

Oh God have mercy.

This is the kind of thing that has wives thinking, "Oh, it's not THAT bad...he's not really sinning against me...he's just watching porn.  That's all."

This is the kind of thing that causes men's sins to go unchecked for so long that destruction ensues, as you said above.

Exactly, and I've heard of women who sought counsel only to be told "well he does that because you won't have sex with him enough or you don't submit enough" B.S. 

[Koala]

Dawn- What if I told you that a 13 year old should already know how to make a bed, and have basic cooking skills?  No need to forfeit her education, because even if she doesn't know how to do these things, it shouldn't take her any time at all to learn.
 
What if I told you that she shouldn't base her education/life on the "wants" of a person she's never even met/might never meet?

Stop setting up a straw man.  She can learn about chemistry, AND know how to make a bed.  She can pursue an education, AND know how to cook.  It doesn't have to be one or the other, and if she is planning to homeschool her children, she most certainly WILL Need an education of her own.

Self enforced ignorance is NOT something to strive for.  It doesn't mean you'll be a better homemaker, or a better Christian.  My goodness, what on earth are you thinking, mama?!?   You should be ashamed that you've raised your daughter to think so little of herself- to believe that her highest potential is making beds and sandwiches.  

You know what- if she wants to be a sahw/sahm, that's okay!  She can do that AND have an education.  Her husband might be more interested in having an intelligent conversation, than having a live in maid/chef.  

My god, this is so messed up...Jesus

Mom continues:

She's got "plenty of interest"? From who?  She is a child!  Wtf is wrong with you, lady? Are you kidding me?  Oh my god.... Getting married should be the furthest thing from her mind! 

And "barely any women actually have these qualities"?  Really?  Is that what you've convinced her? 

Making a bed/cooking dinner is not a "quality".  It's a skill, and I don't know a single adult man or woman who can't do both.  

I swear, I just can't with these people.

And Lori?  You sent Cassi to college and Alyssa has a career.  Get over yourself.  You wouldn't know wisdom if you met it on the street.

 

[FullOfGravy]

53 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

Ken and Lori beleive that once you become a "saved" Christian you no longer have to ask God for forgiveness of your sins.

Wait, so you "accept Jesus into your heart" or whatever they consider becoming "saved" and you're no longer a sinner, but you'd better live and behave in exactly the way Lori and Ken prescribe, or face eternal damnation?  I would've thought that if someone's no longer a sinner, following their own heart would no longer lead them to engage in sin.

Also, once a woman is "saved" she no longer needs to ask God's forgiveness for her sins, but she'd sure as hell better grovel and beg her husband's forgiveness for her misspent youth, the filthy whore.

I'm not sure they've really thought this through.

 

[FullOfGravy]

7 minutes ago, Koala said:

She's got "plenty of interest"? From who?  She is a child!  Wtf is wrong with you, lady? Are you kidding me?  Oh my god.... Getting married should be the furthest thing from her mind!

Dear God, that poor child.

And Dawn?  Leaving aside the grossness of the idea that your daughter should pursue only the knowledge that will help her get a fundie husband, should she not be preparing to homeschool her eleventy-five children?  By the way, high school and undergrad chemistry help me to know which "miracle cleaning solution" from Pinterest is likely to work, and which is likely to be dangerous to me or my stuff.  The time I got oil paint all over my hands and didn't have turpentine, I was able to remember that "like dissolves like" and use an olive oil/sugar/lemon scrub.  I use high school math and geometry when I sew and knit.  None of these subjects are just abstract concepts that you forget after the final exam; they really do have practical applications.

[Hashtag Blessed]

24 minutes ago, Koala said:

Dawn- What if I told you that a 13 year old should already know how to make a bed, and have basic cooking skills?  No need to forfeit her education, because even if she doesn't know how to do these things, it shouldn't take her any time at all to learn.
 
What if I told you that she shouldn't base her education/life on the "wants" of a person she's never even met/might never meet?

Stop setting up a straw man.  She can learn about chemistry, AND know how to make a bed.  She can pursue an education, AND know how to cook.  It doesn't have to be one or the other, and if she is planning to homeschool her children, she most certainly WILL Need an education of her own.

Self enforced ignorance is NOT something to strive for.  It doesn't mean you'll be a better homemaker, or a better Christian.  My goodness, what on earth are you thinking, mama?!?   You should be ashamed that you've raised your daughter to think so little of herself- to believe that her highest potential is making beds and sandwiches.  

You know what- if she wants to be a sahw/sahm, that's okay!  She can do that AND have an education.  Her husband might be more interested in having an intelligent conversation, than having a live in maid/chef.  

My god, this is so messed up...Jesus

Mom continues:

She's got "plenty of interest"? From who?  She is a child!  Wtf is wrong with you, lady? Are you kidding me?  Oh my god.... Getting married should be the furthest thing from her mind! 

And "barely any women actually have these qualities"?  Really?  Is that what you've convinced her? 

Making a bed/cooking dinner is not a "quality".  It's a skill, and I don't know a single adult man or woman who can't do both.  

I swear, I just can't with these people.

 And Lori?  You sent Cassi to college and Alyssa has a career.  Get over yourself.  You wouldn't know wisdom if you met it on the street.

 

I couldn't agree with you more. Everything about this is horrifying. The smugness of this mother makes me want to slap her. Guess what, dumbass? Learning about chemistry doesn't magically make you forget how to cook. Making your bed is not a complex skill. A fucking child can do it. 

Half of my closest friends are currently getting their PhD's, and they can ALL (men and women) cook and make their own fucking beds. 

And plenty of interest at 13? I hope she just means she's popular at school and not that she's had interest from men. Fucking gross. What a shitty mother. 

 

[Koala]

Dave...again...

Bless him.  It must be hard to have such an inferiority complex.  He's a pathetic little man, isn't he?

[PinkPrincess0213]

22 minutes ago, Koala said:

Dave...again...

Bless him.  It must be hard to have such an inferiority complex.  He's a pathetic little man, isn't he?

Am I the only one confused about Dave's line of thought here? Just wives and helpmeets? But still sole responsibility for the child-rearing, since husband/dad better work a bazillion jobs so mom can stay home? Maybe I'm just tired and stressed, but WHAT?

[delphinium65]

14 minutes ago, PinkPrincess0213 said:

Am I the only one confused about Dave's line of thought here? Just wives and helpmeets? But still sole responsibility for the child-rearing, since husband/dad better work a bazillion jobs so mom can stay home? Maybe I'm just tired and stressed, but WHAT?

Dave's line of thought-using the term very loosely-is that wives must do whatever their husbands tell them, period.  

[SilverBeach]

1 hour ago, Meeka said:

This thinking seems to just let them off the hook to participate in any bad behaviour without consequences.

Cheap grace, ugh.

[squiddysquid]

1 hour ago, Sarah92 said:

Uh Lori do you have a verse for that? And you do know that pornagraphy usually leads to masturbation right? Which, you know, involves the flesh. Not to mention the addictive nature, its involvement in human trafficking, the pain it causes a wife, how it impacts sex with one's spouse, porn induced ED... A lot of those are physical in nature. Furthermore, because children are being introduced to porn so young, it's impacting their ability to form stable, romantic relationships with others as they learn about sex from unrealistic porn because their parents won't talk about it. Women divorce their husbands because of the far reaching consequences of porn use (and other things) not because they can't comprehend that it's supposedly different. 

OHH, did Lori catch Ken watching porn?

I'll happily admit that I can't cook, it bores me.

Guess what, my Ex didn't mind. He was a hobby chef and was glad I left dinner up to him. He'd google recipes in his freetime, then send me links "Going grocery shopping now, what do want to eat tonight?" I'd do the dishes afterwards, give and take.

Do you know what I can do? Sedate and intubate a patient, hook them up to a breathing machine and successfully wake them up again. I can handle a defibrillator, emergency airway punctures, administer emergency medications if you're having a heart attack or a stroke, a thoracocentesis if your lung collapses... You know, completely useless stuff... (Yes I'm bragging - and proud of it. I practised for ages and worked hard to get those skills.)

[PinkPrincess0213]

Thank you @delphinium65! That quote helped my brain wrap around this train of "thought".

[Florita]

1 hour ago, Alisamer said:

Wha? What does she think "Forgive us our trespasses/debts..." refers to?

It doesn't apply to her. See her reasoning:

Lori has decided when Jesus taught his disciples to pray it was just a temporary fix.