Mr and Mrs Jill Duggar 58: The D’Wreckoning

[JDuggs]

I thought that Derick was upset that TLC wasn’t pitching in for the hospital bills for Israel’s birth, not Sam’s. Does anyone have the details on that? I thought the Dillards were done with TLC before Sam was born.

[kat]

Dear Derick,

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[Jellybean]

7 hours ago, apandaaries said:

This may have been posted before, but on the 14th of May, Mr. Jill Duggar tweeted, "Sounds like Matthew 24. The end is getting closer every day! Christians, we need to persevere in telling as many people as we can about the Gospel of Jesus Christ, with all gentleness, in truth and love!"

He sounds like he's truly believing that Christians will get raptured up pretty soon, or that the end of the world is nigh. I suspect he's retweeting the news about the Jerusalem embassy with the thought that soon enough, he'll become part of an elite heavenly squad while the sinners burn. People who think that the apocalypse will soon begin are rarely stable folks, and he just keeps demonstrating this again and again.

I know this sounds totally off the wall, but this is what I was taught when I was very young. It’s been about 30 years since I was taught (homeschool, but from numerous ‘teachers’ in our small co-op) about Matthew 24, the End Times and the second coming of Christ, and it’s something that I grew out of pretty fast (once I encountered enough history to see that one could plausibly claim Matthew 24 applied to just about any period since it was written).

It was preached at church on numerous occasions, and there were long sermons (over an hour every weekend, plus about the same midweek) frequently covering ‘end times’ topics, including this chapter of Matthew’s gospel, but also the books of Revelation and Daniel. Those are pretty weird texts, especially when interpreted with a mystical/numerology/Kabbalah-like approach. This sort-of makes me want to revisit some of the teachings from my childhood now that I have some distance and perspective. It seems truly messed up to be teaching children as young as 7 in this kind of detail.

My parent still believes in the truth of it and attends frequent teaching sessions and seminars about eschatology. This is in the UK, and while I wouldn’t say it was mainstream, it’s more than a single, isolated person with a billboard and a flea in their ear. 

This is the entirety of Matthew chapter 24, in which Jesus is talking to his disciples about the signs and warnings. Verses 4-8 are the ones that were most frequently quoted in the context Derick used, but it’s all there (from the NKJV) in case anyone is interested. 

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24 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will bethe sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear ofwars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for [a]all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines,pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The Great Tribulation

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the[c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here isthe Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 Forfalse christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

The Coming of the Son of Man

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Parable of the Fig Tree

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer isnear. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that [e]it is near—at the doors!34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what [h]hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant

45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying [j]his coming,’ 49 and begins to beat hisfellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for himand at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[luv2laugh]

3 hours ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

Yes but ofJill himself claimed he asked TLC for money to cover the NICU bills. Maybe he was trying to go over JB’s head because JB was being tight-fisted, but it comes to the same thing. He asked for money and they said no.

I think something went wrong with the birth, but TLC probably would have used it unless it was really bad. Or somehow embarrassing or damaging to the brand.

  

The birth must have been pretty bad since Sam was in the NICU for 2 weeks. 

3 hours ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

Now, of it wasn’t that bad but ofJill threatened to sue if they used the footage without paying the NICU bills, I could see TLC dropping it without a backward glance.It isn’t like they were the most popular couple. 

  

For awhile, Jill & ofJill were the most popular couple. Jill was the first daughter to get married and her wedding episode had the highest ratings. OfJill probably felt entitled to higher compensation than the other couples, for this reason.

[Jellybean]

24 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

The birth must have been pretty bad since Sam was in the NICU for 2 weeks. 

It’s possible that some or all of that time in the NICU was for reasons unrelated to the birth - he could have struggled to keep his oxygen levels up, or had an infection, for example. 

In the grand scheme of NICU stays, like for micro-preemies, two weeks isn’t very long, but for a baby born at full term (or near enough) it does sound like a long time. It must have been incredibly distressing, and I very much hope that there are no lasting issues for any of them.

[LittleOwl]

Snapped this from The Ashley. 

 

Dear Mr Jill, please go sit in a bin. Sincerely, the world. 

Spoiler

 

[bird]

8 hours ago, HarryPotterFan said:

 

I believe doctors will allow you attempt do a VBAC, but you’d be carefully monitored and doctors would probably make it clear that another C-section is a possibility.

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I am not coming to anyone's defence here nor swooping in with a horror story but I do understand what is being said with " emergency c section". I had all my babies in hospital so slightly different scenario but first was very long not progressing baby getting distressed c section not elective but not exactly an emergency. Second one in hospital supposedly closely monitored situation: said we won't let you go overdue, they let me get to 42 weeks. They said we won't induce labour. They did. They said we won't let you labour more than 10 hours. They did. They even had me pushing when I wasn't fully dilated. That hospital monitored birth ended in a proper emergency c section and my daughter and I are both very lucky to be alive. It's possible to be in hospital and for things to go wrong. That's all I'm saying. Second may well have been much more dramatic for them than the first despite planning a hospital delivery. That said I went on to have two more babies via electivec section and we are all fine and happy. 

[jozina]

OfJill as a nickname is giving me life, I have to say.

[emmeline]

6 hours ago, JDuggs said:

I thought that Derick was upset that TLC wasn’t pitching in for the hospital bills for Israel’s birth, not Sam’s. Does anyone have the details on that? I thought the Dillards were done with TLC before Sam was born.

That's what I remember too, but he seems to have deleted the relevant tweets. From memory, he said it had taken them a year to pay off the hospital bills from Israel's birth. 

(i just have to say, I gave thanks once again for my country's universal healthcare system when I read that.It's not perfect but at least I can have a baby and we can both receive the care we need without those sort of bills.)

And thank you @Jellybean for fixing my attempt at embedding the tweet! 

[HarleyQuinn]

12 hours ago, HarryPotterFan said:

I didn’t see this discussed (I may have missed it), but The Ashley has a story about Derdick whining about TLC’s new show, Lost in Transition, which takes the perspective of the partners of people who come out as trans. http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2018/05/21/derick-dillard-criticizes-another-transgender-themed-tlc-reality-show-implies-stars-of-lost-in-transition-are-mentally-ill/

 

I've never heard of The Ashley but thanks for sharing that. They have a screenshot of the tweet he deleted. 

It's funny how butthurt he is at TLC to only go after their stars. Though I do hope he tries to go after someone on Drag Race just for the lols of it. 

[Frumper]

For me I'm not so hung up on whether the c-section was an "emergency," since that could legitimately be people using terminology in different ways.  But he said going to the hospital "was the plan all along."  And in context he was talking about both births.  That is just not true when it comes to Izzy, unless the TV footage was fake and he and Jill lied in their interviews about it.  I just don't understand why he'd pick this stupid issue to lie about, other than the fact that he is basically just a troll who gets off on negative attention.

[Queen]

I have this thing that happens when I feel threatened in any way: I bite back ten times as hard. Now I'm working with my therapist to reduce this behavior, because it is indeed really destructive.

So I can kinda see why ofJill is launching out so hard. That does not make his bigotry or his harrasment of Jazz etc okay though!

My therapist has made me realize that I do seek out conflicts sometimes,  that I deliberately put myself in situations when it becomes me against the world. And it's not a good thing to do. Everyone is also always responsible for their own actions, regardless of the reason why they act that way. It would be really good for the whole family if Derrick stepped off Twitter or at least took breaks sometimes. (I'd also recommend therapy, because you don't even need to be mentally ill to benefit from it. I think the world would be a much better place if everyone went to therapy...;) ) 

[HarryPotterFan]

8 hours ago, Jellybean said:

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations

I mean, that’s just describing being Jewish...

 

11 hours ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

Yes but ofJill himself claimed he asked TLC for money to cover the NICU bills. Maybe he was trying to go over JB’s head because JB was being tight-fisted, but it comes to the same thing. He asked for money and they said no.

I can see why they said no - contracts had already been signed and they didn’t want to set a precedent for giving into demands. I really think it’s all in a family trust and OfJill should take it up with JB. Also if he wasn’t such a dick he could have tried to negotiate something for the following season...

2 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

I've never heard of The Ashley but thanks for sharing that. They have a screenshot of the tweet he deleted. 

It's funny how butthurt he is at TLC to only go after their stars. Though I do hope he tries to go after someone on Drag Race just for the lols of it. 

You’re welcome! They’re a pretty good source, they try to publish only what they can verify and will call something a “report” if it’s not.

[freethemall]

@Queen the main point I'm going to take from you is that OfJill is very much in need of therapy. Lots and lots of it.

The way OfJill is communicating reminds me SO much of my 16-year old brother. These very stilted, few word responses that give you enough to want to know more, but then he acts coy when you want more detail. Basically he's being a tease and then saying, "so? why do you care?" when he says:

 

Either give the full details and stop being vague or shut the fuck up about the whole thing.

[HarleyQuinn]

Why, OfJill? Because you endanger them. News and photos tell a story of you and Ofwreck being pretty shitty parents. 

[littlemommy]

When I was going to attempt a VBAC in a hospital my OBGYN told me their policy was to have the surgeon on call and present in the hospital the whole time in case of emergency. I don’t know how common that is. He was really hoping I’d just schedule a c section so he wouldn’t have to wait all day I guess. *shrug*

My neighbor had a baby in the NICU with severe jaundice, so I guess there are lots of reasons a baby can be in there. He was almost 10 pounds, too, and she said he looked like the big bear cub of the group.

[Frumper]

"Hey world, look at the birth of my child on this TV show!  Read these magazine articles about the birth of my child!"

Three years later . . .

"Why do you people all care so much about the birth of my child?"

[nst]

6 hours ago, jozina said:

OfJill as a nickname is giving me life, I have to say.

derick and jill remind me of the commander and his wife - yes 

[Iamhispurity]

Jill just posted a quote from Dietrich Bonhoeffer (Silence in the face of evil is itself evil...) and linked to a blog post about voting (prob written by Derick). She referres to #Lifematters. Equating abortion to the holocaust, that’s such a classy move.

 

As a German I hate fundies for that. They vote for republicans who are working to take away the rights of minorities, but sure abortion is the thing that really matters, not the already living people who are being discriminated against. But then again, I’m not sure that some fundies even consider those people as lifes that needs to be protected. Rant over.

[Joyfully]

I noticed on the blog Jill responsed to the hysterectomy rumor.

https://www.dillardfamily.com/2018/05/happy-mothers-day-3/

[KelseyAnn]

22 hours ago, OldFadedStar said:

 

Derrick

You have zero proof that we had 2 failed home births.

 

There is no war in Ba Sing Se. 

[karen77]

13 minutes ago, Joyfully said:

I noticed on the blog Jill responsed to the hysterectomy rumor.

https://www.dillardfamily.com/2018/05/happy-mothers-day-3/

Well, at least they addressed it and in a straightforward way.

[nst]

2 minutes ago, karen77 said:

Well, at least they addressed it and in a straightforward way.

you mean instead of 

what's a hysterectomy, the lord needs to know why you care about jill's uterus. 

 

[LurkerOverThePond]

Now where is Cathy?!? She should have already visited at Derdick's twitter talking about assumptions.

[SassyPants]

13 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

TLC most likely pays the Duggars via a family trust. JB is the one who doles out the cash.

So do you think he's still doling it to out the Family Dillard?

And if so, why?