Lori Alexander 37: Practicing Medicine Without a License

[delphinium65]

4 minutes ago, fundamentallyfearless said:

FYI:  The rhythm method, fertility awareness method, and coitus interruptus are all possible birth control methods that require no medication, injections, barriers, etc.  BIRTH CONTROL WAS POSSIBLE BEFORE FEMINISM LORI.  SHUT UP.

But those would require telling a man what to do, or not do! 

[smittykins]

And spilling seed(coitus interruptus)!

[Alisamer]

3 hours ago, fluffy said:

This is a woman who never wanted to do anything. 

I think this is Lori in a nutshell. She had kids because she wanted to stay at home all the time, and that was a way to acceptably do that, I don't get the impression she actually wanted kids at all. I wonder if she even wanted marriage, so much as Ken's paycheck. She had housekeepers and nannies and seems to have done the absolute bare minimum herself, and now she sits around and cuts people down online because that's her one and only hobby. She seems bored and miserable and a miserable person to associate with, and I feel sorry for anyone (especially her kids) who has to deal with her on a regular basis.

[AlwaysDiscerning]

Deleted!!

 

[louisa05]

Uh...Victoria did not particularly like children. Hers or anyone else's. She left parenting and most decisions about her children to Albert. She refused to breastfeed, thought babies were all ugly, and spent little time with her children when they were small. 

But go ahead and rewrite history, random Lori fangirl...

Link: http://www.historyextra.com/article/bbc-history-magazine/queen-victoria-children-mother-family

[Antipatriarch]

1 hour ago, Frog99 said:

There have been times when I wouldn’t have minded being a man- stuck in traffic jams and needing to pee

I... what? 

[SuperNova]

I wonder if Lori has the ability to understand that sometimes when a woman says, I wish I were a man, it doesn't mean that she wants a penis or that she wants to act like a man.

While reading Lori's nonsense, I thought of this quote from Jane Eyre. Jane Eyre was published in 1847 during the reign of Queen Victoria:

“Women are supposed to be very calm generally: but women feel just as men feel; they need exercise for their faculties, and a field for their efforts, as much as their brothers do; they suffer from too rigid a restraint, to absolute a stagnation, precisely as men would suffer; and it is narrow-minded in their more privileged fellow-creatures to say that they ought to confine themselves to making puddings and knitting stockings, to playing on the piano and embroidering bags. It is thoughtless to condemn them, or laugh at them, if they seek to do more or learn more than custom has pronounced necessary for their sex.”

[AuntKrazy]

5 hours ago, Sarah92 said:

Oh I know lol. I have my own beef with that to some extent, especially if they're prescribing medicine with that diagnosis. But I guess it's their general questioning of doctors and medicine that makes me wonder. Plus what Lori has said about depression in the past.

Maybe I just have excellent doctors; but I have and would mention anxiety/depression related symptoms to my md first.   Every single one of them has done an exam and ordered appropriate tests when prescribing any medication, and if my thyroid numbers go out of whack, I experience depression-like/anxiety-like symptoms.  I have taken anxiety medicine while my thyroid numbers have had time to adjust; and am thankful for that, as there have been times when it has been the only way I could sleep.

For many health care insurance plans, a referral from a primary care physician to a mental health care specialist (Psychiatrist) results in coverage for therapy sessions.  

I do not think that someone who has not been to med school is allowed to prescribe medicine in my state.

Just out of curiosity:  who do you think should be prescribing mental health medicines?  

[Sarah92]

24 minutes ago, AuntKrazy said:

Maybe I just have excellent doctors; but I have and would mention anxiety/depression related symptoms to my md first.   Every single one of them has done an exam and ordered appropriate tests when prescribing any medication, and if my thyroid numbers go out of whack, I experience depression-like/anxiety-like symptoms.  I have taken anxiety medicine while my thyroid numbers have had time to adjust; and am thankful for that, as there have been times when it has been the only way I could sleep.

For many health care insurance plans, a referral from a primary care physician to a mental health care specialist (Psychiatrist) results in coverage for therapy sessions.  

I do not think that someone who has not been to med school is allowed to prescribe medicine in my state.

Just out of curiosity:  who do you think should be prescribing mental health medicines?  

I have no problem with medicine especially for things like depression and anxiety so long as it's done appropriately. Doctors and psychiatrists should be the ones prescribing; although ,I've heard that psychologists have lobbied to be able to do so. I need to read and see what came of that.

Anyways, doctors should be the ones doing the prescribing of medication but,I wish to see more collaboration with the counseling field. I know several individuals on depression medications where their MD never even suggested going to seek counseling. Another gave an alcoholic Xanax without ever suggesting counseling. I believe seeking mental health professionals is important because they might be able to catch an issue the doctor missed. Perhaps the medication thing is only a problem in my state but it does concern me. People shouldn't have to be on anxiety medication for years if counseling can help them manage symptoms. 

But with that each case is unique and there isn't a one size fits all approach. Not everyone has immediate access to counseling and make do with what they can.

I hope that clarifies what I mean! 

[AlwaysDiscerning]

Oh I can't stop laughing!!!!!!!

 

[Carol]

I am with Sarah92 on this.  I've seen, too often, doctors prescribe antidepressant and anti anxiolytic medications without recommending  any followup on how their patient is doing.  Often the patient isn't instructed to check back in with the doctor when their meds run out.  The abrupt withdrawal from some of these medications can be both uncomfortable and life threatening, especially in the case of Benzodiazepines.  

I can't tell you how many times I had clients tell me this...they were given antidepressants without the doctors explaining side effects, when to take the medications, what not to mix medications with, etc.  

IMO a good MD makes a referral for counseling.  I am certain there are doctors who do have some followup but I suspect they are in the minority.

JMO

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

I don't believe for an instant Ken has Clinical Depression.  I think Ken is serious when he says he's sometimes depressed -- as in sad, unhappy, down in the dumps, moody, meh about life, etc.  After all who wouldn't be married to Lori.

But what does lift his spirits and put a smile on his face is a banana milkshake.  Thus having one  (or 2) a day "cures" his depression.  And since it's all natural organic bananas, milk, etc.  Lori can't object because it's not the evil depression meds.

So Ken gets his daily milkshake treat and puts one over on Lori at the same time.  Win- win

[delphinium65]

6 hours ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

But what does lift his spirits and put a smile on his face is a banana milkshake. 

 

 

Spoiler

 

[SuperNova]

Can I just say that it makes me uncomfortable to dismiss the possibility of someone having genuine depression. Too often people who suffer from it hear things like, what do you have to be depressed about? Or, why are sad? You have everything! It is entirely possible to be clinically depressed with no outward signs of it. Some people are very good at hiding it, especially when they know that those around them wouldn't be supportive or accepting.

[AuntKrazy]

@Sarah92

Thank you for taking the time to answer.  I think we need to have these types of discussions.  For the very reason of items being surfaced here.  These are not simple problems which are solved by eating bananas or simply taking electronics away from/homeschooling children, while refusing to vaccinate them and watch their fevers soar unabated to 106 degrees.  I don't have a medical degree.  I also don't have a counseling degree.  I don't presume to be qualified to give medical advice to anyone. I want to ask questions and try to understand better.

I think it is natural to advocate positions out of our own experience of something; but I don't want to ever fall into a one-size-fits all scenario (which is what scares me about govt. managed health care, to be honest).  I have been fortunate in that I have been referred to therapy when I needed it for depression (which allowed me to claim it on my insurance and pay $6 an hour copay for several months of needed treatment), and have also been at a different time prescribed medicine when my problems were only bio-chemical.  It is not fun to sit through the MMPI like questionaire that my endocrinologist has had me take at times, nor to go through the blood work, but mental health and physical health are linked; and I believe that sometimes solutions are therapy related.  But I also believe that sometimes they are not. To me, it's not black and white at all.

I honestly can't believe in always requiring that therapy accompany temporary use of mental health meds and I can't believe in never requiring it either.  I think it needs to be a case by case basis.  

All of that to say, that I think that the kind of individual approach to mental, physical, emotional and even spiritual health, instead of blanket one-size-fits-all paradigm is beyond the world view of Lori/Ken.  It's their stuck in a single dimension of everything that I find so incredibly horrifying.  

 

[Briefly]

6 hours ago, Frog99 said:

For what it’s worth, I do have it all- at least in the ways that are important to me. 

That's really what it's all about.

[Sarah92]

@AuntKrazy 

Thank you for asking! I'm always pretty happy to discuss these things because you're right, we do need to talk about these things more. I always appreciate polite, thoughtful discussion. And it's nice not to have my comments deleted. I think you and I are in agreement with the need to take things as a case by case basis. And it's great that you're doctors seem to really care about your health: both mental and physical. It looks like they're doing it in a way that I hope all doctors eventually practice. 

The worldview is very much one dimension. It's either black and white unless you're them. And then you can do whatever you want.

[luv2laugh]

On 1/15/2018 at 5:19 PM, Koala said:

I didn't realize that Ken struggled with depression.  In one of Lori's videos, she showed an absolutely bizarre number of bananas in the fridge, and said Ken likes to keep a lot of them around.  I guess now we know why.  He's convinced they cure depression.

I've said in the past, that I think a lot of Lori's blog posts are passive aggressive jabs at her family.  She's frequently written that "self pity is satanic", despite the fact that you won't find any such assertion in the Bible.  I am now wondering if it was directed at Ken all along.

She posted this on May 28, 2017

Imagine struggling with depression, and reading that on your wife's blog.

She continues in the comments:

Yes, she appears to be talking to women, but likely, she's letting Ken know exactly what she thinks of his "depression". 

A reader says:

Lori replies:

This also really puts a new (and horrible) spin on her deleting the suicide hotline number.  If she has a spouse that suffers from depression, she should know enough not to stand in the way of someone getting the help they need.  

She specifically mentions depression in this video.  Wow.  I am honestly starting to believe there is something seriously wrong with her.  It's like she enjoys hurting other people.

WOW I just can't even start here. Reading all of this makes me so angry. She sounds like such an abusive nutjob! She mixes scripture in with her verbal abuse which makes it even more twisted and sick because it can sound like it comes from God.

It makes me want to puke because I can easily imagine something like this going on back in the day with her kids:
Child A: "I'm feeling sad"
Lori: "Self-pity is satanic. Your sadness is selfish. Serve your siblings more and stop thinking about yourself and your feelings.
Child A: "But what if what I'm feeling could be depression, Mom?"
Lori: "God gives you a sound mind. You can choose your feelings. If you are sad, you are choosing self-pity and are being satanic. You clearly aren't spending enough time in the word. No sympathy or hugs for you dear child!"

[lilith]

I can absolutely understand Ada Lovelace wanting to be a man. Her mother ruthlessly suppressed any sign of sexuality or strong emotion and kept her under tight control cause she was terrified that she had inherited a libertine disposition from her father (Lord Byron). Then she had to fight for recognition in a field that is still male dominated even today - in the mid 19th century female mathematicians were almost unheard of.

Neither Queen Victoria it Ada Lovelace would want to live in the world Lori envisions and they would both be appalled that she squandered her and her children’s educational opportunities - both felt that their educations had been inadequate and were supporters of girls education.

Lori knows nothing (as usual). She’d probably have liked Ada’s mother though - she separated from Byron, in part, cause he played in the sewer.

[ViolaSebastian]

Semi-related dispatch from spooky town: I’m watching the second season of Young Victoria while I was perusing through this thread. The second episode has the plot line with Ada Lovelace in it and she just uttered the “I wish I were a man” quote on the screen. 

[EowynW]

Such a depressingly sad mindset. 

[Rebelwife]

On 1/15/2018 at 12:19 AM, Hisey said:

Honestly, I think they'd be a lot happier if they paid LESS attention to their gut, and not more.

The whole family--even Alyssa, the best of the lot--seem obsessed with what they put into their mouths, and convinced that eating has to be this complicated ritual requiring Beef Liver Supplements and Beet Kvass.

I've never given my gut a thought, and I've given very little thought to my digestive system. Neverthless, they run fine  without constant supervision and handwringing. I was amazed when Lori said something recently like, "I'm always looking for ways to support my disgestive system." Really? You need more to do, lady. Millions of people lead healthy lives without every taking a sip of Beet Kvass.

THIS!  I have chronic stomach problems (that come with a real medical diagnosis). It was about a year of pain and pursuing a diagnosis that fairly consumed my life but I've found a diet and treatment plan that keeps things pretty well under control.   Even with that I probably spend about 25% of the time Lori and her ilk do thinking about my gut and 1% of the time telling other people about it.  

[ViolaSebastian]

24 minutes ago, EowynW said:

Such a depressingly sad mindset. 

“The mathematician”?? JFC, they said her full name 1000 times in the episode. Even then it wouldn’t be too hard to do a two-second google search for “19th century female mathematician who programmed computers.” It wasn’t like there were a ton of them out there.  

And leave it to Lori to totally miss the sweet, sweet irony that the machine she uses to spew her anti-feminist filth was first programmed by a woman. SMDH. 

[AlwaysDiscerning]

Eric is looking forward to partying in heaven with Lori and Ken. 

 

[Rebelwife]

15 hours ago, AuntKrazy said:

@Sarah92

Thank you for taking the time to answer.  I think we need to have these types of discussions.  For the very reason of items being surfaced here.  These are not simple problems which are solved by eating bananas or simply taking electronics away from/homeschooling children, while refusing to vaccinate them and watch their fevers soar unabated to 106 degrees.  I don't have a medical degree.  I also don't have a counseling degree.  I don't presume to be qualified to give medical advice to anyone. I want to ask questions and try to understand better.

I think it is natural to advocate positions out of our own experience of something; but I don't want to ever fall into a one-size-fits all scenario (which is what scares me about govt. managed health care, to be honest).  I have been fortunate in that I have been referred to therapy when I needed it for depression (which allowed me to claim it on my insurance and pay $6 an hour copay for several months of needed treatment), and have also been at a different time prescribed medicine when my problems were only bio-chemical.  It is not fun to sit through the MMPI like questionaire that my endocrinologist has had me take at times, nor to go through the blood work, but mental health and physical health are linked; and I believe that sometimes solutions are therapy related.  But I also believe that sometimes they are not. To me, it's not black and white at all.

I honestly can't believe in always requiring that therapy accompany temporary use of mental health meds and I can't believe in never requiring it either.  I think it needs to be a case by case basis.  

All of that to say, that I think that the kind of individual approach to mental, physical, emotional and even spiritual health, instead of blanket one-size-fits-all paradigm is beyond the world view of Lori/Ken.  It's their stuck in a single dimension of everything that I find so incredibly horrifying.  

 

This perspective is so important.  My family has an extensive history of mental health issues - mainly major depressive disorder.  I have been on antidepressants since 1989 and, barring some medical breakthrough, will be on them the rest of my life.  My two daughters, both teenagers, are also on them.  My oldest had severe depression, found a medication that worked on her second try and never looked back - no therapy needed.  She's in college, thriving, doing amazingly well.  Considering she wasn't even getting out of bed, the turnaround in just a matter of 4 weeks was unbelievable to anyone who has never experienced finding the right meds before.  Like me, she'll probably be medicated the rest of her life.  Her brain simply won't work otherwise.

My youngest is also taking meds for depression and anxiety and is in therapy.  Ironically, I don't think she'll necessarily need meds long term.  They are helping her get to a place where the therapy she's doing can be helpful, though.  The therapy is definitely super important for her.