Where in the World Is Doug Philips (Who Is a Tool)? Part 6: With the Gyrating Flesh

[Jasmar]

That MG roadster could pay for a trip or two to Europe.

[Marian the Librarian]

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Just imagine the shaming a young woman would have gotten had she walked into a Vision Forum conference wearing THIS

Beall forgot the most important hashtag of all: #therulesNEVERappliedtous!!

[Mudgie]

On one of Faith's posts dated in December she wrote this

"On another note; after many years, I now have proof to my growing concern that I'm actually a little old lady. As I've been up here in the cold of Colorado, I can literally feel my knee creaking and my ribs ache. At sixteen, that is really sad!"

I take that to mean she's only 16 or 17 by now? 

Wow. 

I would have put her in her early 20's. 

She's clearly extremely talented with sewing and costumes. Be nice if she were able to study fashion or historical fashion at a University.

[hoipolloi]

3 hours ago, Mudgie said:

I take that to mean she's only 16 or 17 by now? 

Looking at my stash of PDF'd Doug's Blog items, in June 2003 DPIART said that Faith was 2 and a half, so that would indeed make her about 16-17 now.

Oh, yes -- regarding Doug's Blog in June 2003, I'll just leave this additional item here:

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I am amazed at how many men today have no sense of their clear duty under biblical law to protect the virginity of their daughters. Once upon a time, it was highly unusual for a woman to travel abroad without the protection of a male guardian, normally her father. Women without male escorts were described as “unprotected ladies.” (Aboard the , for example, first class passenger Archibald Gracie was personally responsible for the protection of six women, all of whom survived the night because he made sure they made it to safety.) The notion of protecting women at home and abroad stems from the biblically mandated obligation not only to protect a woman generally from harm, but from the father’s duty to preserve the chastity of his daughters from any who would seek to violate it. It is the unique  responsibility of fathers to watch over their daughters. An unwed daughter, be she eighteen or twenty-eight, is under the headship of her father, which means his protection and provision. Protection requires proximity — one of about six reasons why I have concerns about fathers sending their unmarried daughters thousands of miles away from home for extended periods of time to college. [From: Sending Daughters Away]

 

[Quinquagenarian]

8 hours ago, Jasmar said:

That MG roadster could pay for a trip or two to Europe.

Yes, but I don't think it's theirs. I think they saw it and took the photo op.

 

[Fluffles]

Out of curiosity. When last were Beall and Doug in the same room? I don't follow them all the time, but it seems like they are married in name only

 

[Quinquagenarian]

27 minutes ago, Fluffles said:

Beall and Doug in the same room?

Possibly at Joshua's graduation from Bible college 4 months ago

 

[bea]

Sound like he wasn't at the graduation - IG says in parentheses that they were missing Justice and "husband not pictured." Which sounds like a cagey way of admitting Doug wasn't there.

 

 There's a picture from March where she says she can't wait to see whatever boy kid, and both kid and DPIAT are in the picture, but it's clearly an older picture. Prior to that, Dec 2016 is the only "current" photo of Doug.

 

 

[Quinquagenarian]

The one at the diner and several of the kids where they were not sitting together and we could never tell if it was Josh or Uncle Sam at the table.

 

[DomWackTroll]

41 minutes ago, bea said:

Sound like he wasn't at the graduation - IG says in parentheses that they were missing Justice and "husband not pictured." Which sounds like a cagey way of admitting Doug wasn't there.

Like Quinquagenerian says above, we know he was in the general vicinity because of the diner pic, but we don't know whether he was at the actual graduation. It wouldn't surprise me if Spanky's parents politely told him he wasn't welcome. God knows they have enough on their hands without Doug running wild on their campus. 

[Quinquagenarian]

Is Flo coming to JTits wedding? Just wondering. 

[Palimpsest]

37 minutes ago, Quinquagenarian said:

Is Flo coming to JTits wedding? Just wondering. 

Is Doug even invited to the wedding?  Just wondering.

1 hour ago, bea said:

Sound like he wasn't at the graduation - IG says in parentheses that they were missing Justice and "husband not pictured." Which sounds like a cagey way of admitting Doug wasn't there.

I believe Doug was "not in the frame."  I only remember that because I immediately thought not in the frame of mind to hang out with Beall and his children.

Beall's use of clever little turns of phrase and old photos certainly makes it hard to tell when they were last together.

[MamaJunebug]

6 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

[Doug Phillips, VF Version, wrote,] "l am amazed at how many men today have no sense of their clear duty under biblical law to protect the virginity of their daughters..:::;the father’s duty to preserve the chastity of his daughters from any who would seek to violate it. It is the unique  responsibility of fathers to watch over their daughters. ..."

Lots of things change, but I'll bet in Phil Douglas Phillips' newly libertine frame of mind, it's STILL Mr. Torres' fault that Doug victimized Lourdes.

[DomWackTroll]

2 hours ago, MamaJunebug said:

Lots of things change, but I'll bet in Phil Douglas Phillips' newly libertine frame of mind, it's STILL Mr. Torres' fault that Doug victimized Lourdes.

...and if the fathers of those half-naked, European dancing girls just don't give a hoot, what can a poor guy like Doug do but stand by and film helplessly? 

[Palimpsest]

28 minutes ago, DomWackTroll said:

...and if the fathers of those half-naked, European dancing girls Bathshebas just don't give a hoot, what can a poor guy like Doug do but stand by and film helplessly? 

FTFY.  If all he's doing is standing by and filming.

[older than allosaurs]

On 9/5/2017 at 11:35 AM, Palimpsest said:

A little lipstick and a dash of powder is correct! Also emphasis on the eyebrows, although eyebrow pencils were also used to draw lines down the back of the legs to fake stockings in the UK.

The Phillips girls (and the Boyer sisters) are using high fashion patterns for their 40s looks.  The way they dress, and definitely their make-up, are what my mother (born 1915) would have called "very vampy."  

 

Here's my mom, born in 1918, in the early '40s. This is the most dressed up picture I ever saw of her.

[Palimpsest]

4 minutes ago, older than allosaurs said:

This is the most dressed up picture I ever saw of her.

Your mom is just beautiful.  And natural.  And so typical for the time period.  Thank you for posting that photo.

[RebelliousEscapee]

In case there was any question regarding Faith's knowledge of the Jazz Party...

 

Granted, this party seems less risqué than some of Flo's parties, but by VF standards... 

[hoipolloi]

3 hours ago, RebelliousEscapee said:

Granted, this party seems less risqué than some of Flo's parties, but by VF standards... 

Dancing in the arms of a man who is not your father, husband, or brother?

When DPIART says "Protection requires proximity" he must mean that filming your daughter in the arms of a stranger equals proximity.

[Palimpsest]

1 hour ago, hoipolloi said:

Dancing in the arms of a man who is not your father, husband, or brother?

And is it just me who thinks Little Eva doesn't look very comfortable at all dancing with that man? 

IIRC, VF did not have strict anti-dancing, anti-alcohol, or modest clothing rules - especially compared to IBLP.  But it is a bit of a stretch for a teenage girl to go from Daddy's over-bearing "protection" to Daddy outright encouraging her to dance with (presumably) a total stranger while he films.

[hoipolloi]

1 hour ago, Palimpsest said:

VF did not have strict anti-dancing, anti-alcohol, or modest clothing rules - especially compared to IBLP

You're right. Back in the day, a lot of the VF leghumpers we snark on regularly attended & danced at various Regency balls or whatever they called them. The dancing was probably as popular as the cosplay.

IIRC, the dancing was very stylized with minimal touching. No idea if the folks in the linked example are/were VF leghumpers, but their Code of Conduct is very familiar.

[bea]

Gotta wonder how Beall feels about the girls visiting their dad and him whisking them out to jazz hipster dances and to..uh...perform outside theaters? Actually, now that I think of it, Beall has bugger all to do. No job, kids are homeschooled, older kids at home. Why isn't SHE visting DPIAT? Even with the kids, but she could get away for a weekend and see her husband.

The must-not-admit-separation denial must be hard to keep up. There's Beall on social media talking about cheese and her kids and being married and turning 50. Then there's Dougie on FB being a single, aging, vaguely creepy producer/cameraman touring with a Eurotrash burlesque show.
How the HELL did the first family of Vision Forum get from there to here in a few years?

[Quinquagenarian]

19 minutes ago, bea said:

whisking them out to jazz hipster dances

Agreed. But she did go  to her fair share of dances in college.  At least before DPIART. 

[ophelia]

On 9.9.2017 at 11:42 PM, hoipolloi said:

IIRC, the dancing was very stylized with minimal touching. No idea if the folks in the linked example are/were VF leghumpers, but their Code of Conduct is very familiar.

It was mostly adviced that siblings would dance which each other so that everyone's heart would remain pure. I remember reading about that on the Morton blog when they talked on and on about their NYE ball.

[RebelliousEscapee]

2 hours ago, ophelia said:

It was mostly adviced that siblings would dance which each other so that everyone's heart would remain pure. I remember reading about that on the Morton blog when they talked on and on about their NYE ball.

To some degree, yes. But as a former VF follower myself, there were plenty of dances I went to where those sorts of restrictions were never in play. A lot of siblings did pair up simply because of shyness, but that was rarely encouraged by organizers. What was more often encouraged, though, was to dance with different people every dance. This was partly to help ensure that everyone got a chance to dance, but also to avoid letting two singles pair off for too long.