John Kelly -- Bringing Order to the West Wing?

[formergothardite]

1 minute ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

But you won't criticize a controlled press!!

And you won't criticize a president who has attacked Free press!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!eleventy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[laPapessaGiovanna]

5 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

But you won't criticize a controlled press!!

I asked you to educate me about Italian press and you refused. How can poor me reply and criticise if you can't be bothered to educate me? And yes I am playing dumb. I am really curious to know what you know about Italian press and how not-free it is.

[OtterRuletheWorld]

8 minutes ago, Destiny said:

Where the serious fuck did she say that?

It is what she didn't say. Just like what I am not saying means I must support Trump.

I wish I could have predicted the future. I would have made my user name be Trumpkin.

[formergothardite]

Just now, OtterRuletheWorld said:

Just like what I am not saying means I must support Trump.

Nope. This is the second thread where I have noticed that you go out of your way to avoid criticizing Trump. If one continually refuses to condemn something awful when asked, then it is safe to assume that they don't have a problem with that awful thing. 

3 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

I would have made my user name be Trumpkin

There is always next time. 

[Palimpsest]

3 hours ago, Ali said:

If a pregnant pron star wearing otter socks wants to discuss the actions of Democrats,

Hee!  It makes me feel sorry for slow moving otters.  Apparently some are not swift enough to stop pregnant porn stars from stealing their socks.  And as Witherwings was a hippogriff it is not surprising that our frequent flier in the Trump admiring sock class behaves like a horse's arse.

Is Otter actually claiming that the US media is not free but controlled - except for Faux News I presume?

[laPapessaGiovanna]

12 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

Otter actually claiming that the US media is not free but controlled - except for Faux News I presume?

No, only the liberal media. But in Italy it's so controlled that it's unbelievable that we don't have only one news outlet.

Of course she has no idea of what she's talking about and it's a pity. In Italy libel is a serious crime and you can end up doing time if you are convicted. Btw if you are a journalist and knowingly and demonstrably publish fake news and refuse to back down, well I won't cry for your fate.

And SHOCKER the same can happen in the US I read. Some journalists even did time cos they didn't disclose their sources. But Otter, the defensor of free press, wants to protect classified info right? Leakers should be punished right?

Lots of sarcasm in this post.

Edited October 26, 2017 by laPapessaGiovanna

[OtterRuletheWorld]

32 minutes ago, samurai_sarah said:

You claimed to be an ESL language speaker. So am I. I find it rather easy to find news-outlets that aren't controlled by my home country. So, either our fellow ESL speakers are stupid, or...

My home country has controlled press. I obviously am capable of reading other outlets, but that doesn't negate that the press is controlled in my native country and that nearly all news read about that country is propaganda.  I am assuming you are from a country where human rights are largely respected.

4 minutes ago, laPapessaGiovanna said:

No, only the liberal media. But in Italy it's so controlled that it's unbelievable that we don't have only one news outlet.

 

Libel is bad, right? I absolutely never said "only the liberal media"  I have been defending Free Press in the United States. From all outlets, but pointing out that all are partisan.

[laPapessaGiovanna]

5 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

nearly all news read about that country is propaganda.

Is it North Korea? You'd be surprised by what @samurai_sarah knows about Korea.

7 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

Libel is bad, right? I absolutely never said "only the liberal media"  I have been defending Free Press in the United States. From all outlets, but pointing out that all are partisan.

So when you condemn leaks of classified material you include leaks that were prosecuted by the Obama administration? 

[formergothardite]

15 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

but pointing out that all are partisan.

Just want to remind you, that you are so partisan you won't even say mocking a war hero is bad. You don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to grouching about people being partisan. At least most of us are willing to criticize Obama when it he needed criticism. You aren't willing to do that with Trump. 

Edited October 26, 2017 by formergothardite

[OtterRuletheWorld]

No, not North Korea.  I would love to chat about NK though.

[Destiny]

Just got back from a run, but LOL forever that she’s telling a thread full of Europeans how their press isn’t free but won’t explain how she knows that.

[OtterRuletheWorld]

4 minutes ago, Destiny said:

Just got back from a run, but LOL forever that she’s telling a thread full of Europeans how their press isn’t free but won’t explain how she knows that.

I shared links above. There are non-EU countries within the EU Europe that have larger issues than Italy.

Edited October 26, 2017 by OtterRuletheWorld
typo

[formergothardite]

Otter, are you worried about how Trump has attacked free press in America? 

[samurai_sarah]

1 minute ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

I shared links above. There are non-EU countries within the EU that have larger issues than Italy.

Geographically? Politically? What do you mean?

[Destiny]

Otter, are you worried about how Trump has attacked free press in America? 

I already pointed that out. No actual answer was provided.

[formergothardite]

6 minutes ago, Destiny said:

I already pointed that out. No actual answer was provided.

Kind of like how she was super-duper concerned about the treatment of military and veterans right up until Trump was brought up and then she wasn't concerned anymore? Free Press is something to be up in arms about right up until she is asked to discuss Trump's attack on free press. Then she no longer cares. Which is makes it clear she doesn't truly value the military, veterans or free press. If she did, she wouldn't twist herself into knots coming up with excuses on why she won't say a word against Trump. 

Edited October 26, 2017 by formergothardite

[laPapessaGiovanna]

4 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

I shared links above. There are non-EU countries within the EU Europe that have larger issues than Italy.

Yes you linked to Wikipedia. But can't be bothered to spell out what the issues are with Italian press. Probably because while I read American media and know what I am talking about, you don't read Italian media and have no idea what the issues are (btw I never said there aren't issues, because there are).

[Destiny]

Kind of like how she was super-duper concerned about the treatment of military and veterans right up until Trump was brought up and then she wasn't concerned anymore? Free Press is something to be up in arms about right up until she is asked to discuss Trump's attack on free press. Then she no longer cares. 

Somethings never change, no matter how many times we see it.

[OtterRuletheWorld]

2 minutes ago, laPapessaGiovanna said:

Yes you linked to Wikipedia. But can't be bothered to spell out what the issues are with Italian press. Probably because while I read American media and know what I am talking about, you don't read Italian media and have no idea what the issues are (btw I never said there aren't issues, because there are).

I linked to more than Wikipedia.

[formergothardite]

1 minute ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

I linked to more than Wikipedia.

Here is a novel idea, why don't you try using your own words backed up by links. Explain exactly what your issue with the Italian press complete with links that you don't just drop in the post, but that you summarize or pull out the quotes that you think back up your point? 

[laPapessaGiovanna]

1 minute ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

I linked to more than Wikipedia.

Then if you read sources better than Wikipedia you should know what the issues are. But you don't. Because the only reason you brought up "but Italy..." is to deflect. You remembered you read somewhere that Italian press isn't great and thought to use that as a deflection tactic since I am Italian. Great, it would have worked if you only had known what you were talking about.

[formergothardite]

Well @laPapessaGiovanna, you should rest well knowing that one of her links(which I'm guessing she found by looking at the wiki page) says this:

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Italy’s media environment remained relatively open and vibrant in 2016

 

[laPapessaGiovanna]

The funny thing is that I do have issues with Italian press and right this evening I watched something on tv news that made me scream bloody murder. But what sort of informed discussion can you have with someone who doesn't even bother to read the links she herself provided?

[OtterRuletheWorld]

6 minutes ago, laPapessaGiovanna said:

The funny thing is that I do have issues with Italian press and right this evening I watched something on tv news that made me scream bloody murder. But what sort of informed discussion can you have with someone who doesn't even bother to read the links she herself provided?

I read it, I felt you and others could form your own opinions without the influence from the poster you hate and believe is another poster (or multiple?)

I was also clear that Italy isn't the worst, but given your comments, I was pointing out that you seem to have a differing attitude and wondered if it was due to being where you are from. Journalists ending up in prison isn't typically something that makes me feel like there is a reasonable freedom of press.

The funny thing is that I do have issues with Italian press and right this evening I watched something on tv news that made me scream bloody murder. But what sort of informed discussion can you have with someone who doesn't even bother to read the links she herself provided?

What issues do you have with the Italian press?

[laPapessaGiovanna]

3 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

Journalists ending up in prison isn't typically something that makes me feel like there is a reasonable freedom of press

Oh but I thought press in the US was so free! And yet some journalist ended up doing prison time. 

 

6 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

21 minutes ago, laPapessaGiovanna said:

Read more  

I read it, I felt you and others could form your own opinions without the influence from the poster you hate and believe is another poster (or multiple?)

this is the most stupid excuse I ever read. As if an uninformed otter with a porn star socks from the other part of the world would influence what I think of my country media!

15 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

I was pointing out that you seem to have a differing attitude

Such as?

7 minutes ago, laPapessaGiovanna said:

What issues do you have with the Italian press?

I won't do your homework dear.