Josh Duggar: Part 10- Will "Rehab" Ever End?

[Lachlanne]

22 hours ago, Chickenbutt said:

Maybe he watched a porn movie starring Danica and that's the "cheating" he was referring to. I don't believe that, but just wanted to throw it out there. Wasn't there something mentioned about "eye cheating" or something like that.

Matthew 5:28

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

 

So it's *possible* this is what he meant. Or it's *possible* that he could now say it's what he meant. 

Sooo many possibilities. 

[Sundaymorning]

4 minutes ago, Lachlanne said:

Matthew 5:28

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

 

So it's *possible* this is what he meant. Or it's *possible* that he could now say it's what he meant. 

Sooo many possibilities. 

Although inside his cult, they might consider that already adultery,, I don't think he would have admitted being unfaithful in a public statement if he didn't have actual sex outside of marriage, since this confession damaged his and his family's image even more. As far as we know, Joshley doesn't have any masochistic tendencies or a death wish, so no way he would have put such blame on himself publicly if it wasn't true. If he had only been looking at porn, his public statement would have been much different.

That being said, I have no idea if Danica tells the truth or not, but I have no doubt that Joshley and his family, who in other cases only admit what they can't deny anymore and are always quick to make their misdeeds seem less bad than they actually are (just look at their responses in Joshley's molestations case), wouldn't have written a statement like that if Joshley had been at least physically faithful to his wife.

[Lachlanne]

24 minutes ago, Sundaymorning said:

That being said, I have no idea if Danica tells the truth or not, but I have no doubt that Joshley and his family, who in other cases only admit what they can't deny anymore and are always quick to make their misdeeds seem less bad than they actually are ...

Aren't they, though. 

This is why I wrote they could possibly say he had "lusted in his heart" and committed adultery in that way. Minimalization. The He Was Just a Teenager defense doesn't apply anymore, so they would need to come up with another creative way to make it not sound so horrible.

Because yeah, that'll work.

[OodOnTheLoo]

My conspiracy theory: they needed to make this public statement before paying off Danica and binding her with a non-disclosure contract.  This way leg humpers can point to this as definitive proof Josh did not have sexual relations with that woman.

My ultimate wish is that the truth prevails whatever it is but if the Duggars are lying I will relish their outing.

[Cleopatra7]

I don't know if Josh had sex with Danica, but I think he obviously had sex with someone who isn't Anna. If Josh had just been looking at porn, he could have simply prayed it away and asked forgiveness, as opposed to being sent to Jesus Rehab. I think there could be several reasons why women aren't crawling out of the woodwork:

1. Having sex with Josh Duggar isn't really something most women are going to want to broadcast. It's not like getting backstage at a rock concert.

2. The woman or women he had sex with are in Tonitown, and they'd have to leave town because their reputation would be ruined in such a small community.

3. The woman or women are within the conservative Christian world, and revealing that they were Josh's paramour would ruined their standing within conservative Christianity.

4. The woman or women are streetwalkers and so far removed from mainstream society that they either didn't know who Josh was or in so bad of a place that it never occurred to them to make a buck off Josh when they have more pressing matters (i.e., substance abuse, homelessness, the dangers of street life)

[DuggarWatch]

In one of his Ashley Madison accounts, he paid the extra $250 for a guaranteed affair.  I think that is the "unfaithful" Josh admitted to, because he wrote his confession BEFORE Danica's interview with InTouch.  So, he wasn't confessing to sex with Danica, but with someone else.

[nokidsmom]

2 hours ago, DuggarWatch said:

In one of his Ashley Madison accounts, he paid the extra $250 for a guaranteed affair.  I think that is the "unfaithful" Josh admitted to, because he wrote his confession BEFORE Danica's interview with InTouch.  So, he wasn't confessing to sex with Danica, but with someone else.

Agree with this.   He was unfaithful but not necessarily with Danica.   And paying the extra $250 which not only shows his intentions from the get-go (THAT fact had to have hit Anna pretty hard btw) but it most likely put him on some preferred list where he was targeted by lot of "offers".  I doubt that with his intentions, that he would have said no to all of them.

[nst]

2 hours ago, nokidsmom said:

Agree with this.   He was unfaithful but not necessarily with Danica.   And paying the extra $250 which not only shows his intentions from the get-go (THAT fact had to have hit Anna pretty hard btw) but it most likely put him on some preferred list where he was targeted by lot of "offers".  I doubt that with his intentions, that he would have said no to all of them.

to think that he had a lot of "offers' is just gross - just imagine what they thought when and if they actually saw him - and i am not talking physically - but if spoke - because he was always the one who thought he was brilliant with what he said 

 

[Sweet Fellowship]

If he did find women from Ashley Madison, I wonder if at least one of the hook ups would have the cojones to go to the press.

[fraurosena]

2 hours ago, nst said:

to think that he had a lot of "offers' is just gross - just imagine what they thought when and if they actually saw him - and i am not talking physically - but if spoke - because he was always the one who thought he was brilliant with what he said 

 

nst, I doubt there is much talking during these kinds of encounters...

[JenniferJuniper]

14 hours ago, Lachlanne said:

Matthew 5:28

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

 

So it's *possible* this is what he meant. Or it's *possible* that he could now say it's what he meant. 

Sooo many possibilities. 

I doubt Josh would ever have admitted to being "unfaithful" to his wife if he had simply lusted in his heart.   The Ashley Madison account and porn "addiction" acknowledgement alone were proof of lust.   Josh took it a step further though and admitted he'd actually cheated on Anna.

So why go there at all?  

The only reason that makes sense is that he figured he'd come clean before any of the women he had sex with came forward.  Or other witnesses who knew what he'd been up to talked to the tabloids.  He was already fully disgraced (child molester, porn addict, member of a cheat-on-your-spouse hook up site) so it probably made sense to publicly fess up to try and keep a lid on more drip, drip, drip info coming forward.

I don't think Danica Dillon is going to prevail in her suit for a variety of reasons, but this doesn't mean she isn't telling the truth about having sex with him.  I think they probably did.  Regardless, there is at least one woman out there who Josh did have sex with.  As others have pointed out, there are many reasons why other women might not come forth.  And for all we know, Josh paid other people off.  Or maybe he met someone and had a romantic relationship.  We'll probably never know the full story.

It doesn't really matter because Josh has said he cheated on Anna and I'm going to take him at his word.  What's far more interesting to me is what comes next.

[OodOnTheLoo]

7 hours ago, nokidsmom said:

Agree with this.   He was unfaithful but not necessarily with Danica.   And paying the extra $250 which not only shows his intentions from the get-go (THAT fact had to have hit Anna pretty hard btw) but it most likely put him on some preferred list where he was targeted by lot of "offers".  I doubt that with his intentions, that he would have said no to all of them.

That guarantee was total BS by the company.  I'm pretty sure it was exposed that 99% of the women on Ashley Madison we're just bots.  The guarantee had so many requirements (contact a minimum number of women, send gifts, premium messages, etc...) that even if you did them all you still had to have the refund check go to your home address, they wouldn't refund your credit card.

I have no doubts Josh was unfaithful but I'd actually be surprised if it was anyone through AM.  Strippers galore.

[QuiverDance]

I just read Josh's answer and I can't help but wonder... If his denials are indeed true, and he can prove they are true, why didn't he file a counterclaim for defamation under PA state law.  Yeah, Josh is a public figure, so he'd have to prove actual malice as well as falsity, but the standard for actual malice is making a statement "knowing that it is false; or acting with reckless disregard for the statement's truth or falsity."  If Danica didn't meet Josh, she KNOWS her statement is false.  

I call BS on his answer, and I firmly believe this case will settle out of court with confidentiality agreements signed to prevent any further discussion in the media.  

In other words, her allegations are true.  His answer creates plausible deniability.  He will enter into a confidential settlement in which he pays her off without admitting liability.  I also speculate that the REASON Danica Dillon has not commented in the media on his responsive pleading is because the settlement is already under discussion, and a condition of the settlement is her keeping her trap shut pending negotiation.

Just my humble little ole opinion here.  

[ShepherdontheRock]

12 minutes ago, OodOnTheLoo said:

That guarantee was total BS by the company.  I'm pretty sure it was exposed that 99% of the women on Ashley Madison we're just bots.  The guarantee had so many requirements (contact a minimum number of women, send gifts, premium messages, etc...) that even if you did them all you still had to have the refund check go to your home address, they wouldn't refund your credit card.

I have no doubts Josh was unfaithful but I'd actually be surprised if it was anyone through AM.  Strippers galore.

Actually, I think the women that weren't bots were escort service types, so he could have probably still screwed around with someone on there.

[OodOnTheLoo]

That's what I was sayin back a few pages, just not so eloquently.  I wouldn't even be surprised if part of the agreement was not to publicly refute the claim he was never with her.   

[QuiverDance]

1 minute ago, OodOnTheLoo said:

That's what I was sayin back a few pages, just not so eloquently.  I wouldn't even be surprised if part of the agreement was not to publicly refute the claim he was never with her.   

Can you imagine the gall it would take to make that demand?  He haz it.

[Whoosh]

4 hours ago, Sweet Fellowship said:

If he did find women from Ashley Madison, I wonder if at least one of the hook ups would have the cojones to go to the press.

I really don't know what to think about any of this in terms of what he did or didn't do LOL.  However, if reports are true that most of the women on Ashley Madison were either bots or sex workers, I would not expect any of them to come forward.  I may be way, way off base here, but here is my reasoning.  Of course, we have talked about the fact that there is a wide range of types of sex workers and blanket statements don't work all that well.  In terms of more sophisticated or expensive sex workers, however, one of the job qualifications is typically discretion.  I am sure that was a requirement for any AM sex workers and would likely be written in their contract.  AM didn't expect to be hacked like they were.  No thinking person with a lot of money to throw around would likely choose a sex worker that he thought might run to the press or otherwise reveal their private information and AM's platform was basically that that type of thing would not happen.  I really can't see a person who is making decisions well enough to fall into that category of sex workers deciding to go to the press and have herself dragged through the modern media without being fairly certain she stood to gain some type of compensation that would replace her future earnings AND would be worth it in terms of random attacks, negative publicity, etc.  Not to mention any liability it could create with regard to the employment contract with AM.

All that said, I may just be failing to understand the actual economics of it all.  Also, maybe I grossly underestimate the number of fame whores out there. I mean I know they exist, but this isn't a case of someone seeking out celebrities or something - these are working girls on a web site who likely planned to continue in that line of work for some amount of time, may well have families and friends to consider, etc.  

[ksgranola1]

20 hours ago, Sweet Fellowship said:

If he did find women from Ashley Madison, I wonder if at least one of the hook ups would have the cojones to go to the press.

If they went to the press, wouldn't that kindof kill their business?

[Amanda7980]

I actually know a real, live woman who was on Ashley Madison.  So, they did/ do exist, though I agree that most are probably professionals.  My friend is not a professional. 

[Toothfairy]

Josh is too stupid to have sex with protection. Even people  who cheat know this. Have separate accounts, emails, phones, etc. Use protection. Gosh he's so dumb.  

Just get a divorce pay child support then you can have sex with anyone you want.

[LittleSpouseOnThePrairie]

On January 16, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Toothfairy said:

Josh is too stupid to have sex with protection. Even people  who cheat know this. Have separate accounts, emails, phones, etc. Use protection. Gosh he's so dumb. 

I agree. In fact when Joshgate 2.0 broke, I didn't believe it at first because I thought there was no way a man in Josh's public position would so flagrantly use his own home addresses and credit cards and make identifiable references to himself in his profiles... Ignorance and arrogance bit him in the ass.

[religiouslyconfused]

I think he also had sex with women from the political campaign he worked on as well as FRC. 

[isarhenne]

On 15.1.2016 at 5:56 AM, Cleopatra7 said:

I don't know if Josh had sex with Danica, but I think he obviously had sex with someone who isn't Anna. If Josh had just been looking at porn, he could have simply prayed it away and asked forgiveness, as opposed to being sent to Jesus Rehab. I think there could be several reasons why women aren't crawling out of the woodwork:

1. Having sex with Josh Duggar isn't really something most women are going to want to broadcast. It's not like getting backstage at a rock concert.

2. The woman or women he had sex with are in Tonitown, and they'd have to leave town because their reputation would be ruined in such a small community.

3. The woman or women are within the conservative Christian world, and revealing that they were Josh's paramour would ruined their standing within conservative Christianity.

4. The woman or women are streetwalkers and so far removed from mainstream society that they either didn't know who Josh was or in so bad of a place that it never occurred to them to make a buck off Josh when they have more pressing matters (i.e., substance abuse, homelessness, the dangers of street life)

those as all logic and possible reasons. Wasn't there a rumor that JB and Josh were sighted going to stripclubs in NW-Arkansas even before Josh got married? If that is true, I can see point 2 being completely possible, and number 3, too, obviously. Woman don't come forward because they are scared to loose their standing. And I don't think Josh is stupid, he is very deviant. I can see him using a woman from church or tontitown because he knows she can never come forward with it.

[Cleopatra7]

11 minutes ago, isarhenne said:

those as all logic and possible reasons. Wasn't there a rumor that JB and Josh were sighted going to stripclubs in NW-Arkansas even before Josh got married? If that is true, I can see point 2 being completely possible, and number 3, too, obviously. Woman don't come forward because they are scared to loose their standing. And I don't think Josh is stupid, he is very deviant. I can see him using a woman from church or tontitown because he knows she can never come forward with it.

An easy way to pick up women was probably the car lot, since it seems like many of the customers were local leg humpers who just wanted to meet the Duggars. In the early years of the show, when Joshgate 1.0 was far away in the future and Josh hadn't aged so horribly, I could see how a fundie lite or mainstream evangelical woman might go into the lot with an affair or one-night stand on her mind. Given how Josh's perverted mind probably worked, he may have even told himself that he was "blessing" the woman in question with his "godly" presence. I mean, the Duggars think that about every other interaction they have with people, so it's not too hard to see how Josh could even spin an affair or random hook-up in those terms.

[nokidsmom]

On 1/16/2016 at 3:55 PM, LittleSpouseOnThePrairie said:

I agree. In fact when Joshgate 2.0 broke, I didn't believe it at first because I thought there was no way a man in Josh's public position would so flagrantly use his own home addresses and credit cards and make identifiable references to himself in his profiles... Ignorance and arrogance bit him in the ass.

This is where the stupidity truly burned.  One would think he would take every precaution to being identified but he easily left a trail.  Very, very easily.