Josh Duggar: Part 10- Will "Rehab" Ever End?

[Valerie3kids]

16 hours ago, ChickenettiLuvr said:

First, huge kudos to Whoosh on his/her legal explanations. Very well done.  

One thing that always stood out to me about Joshley -- When the whole AM mess blew up, and again when Danica first levied her charges, he NEVER denied any of them. Never. That was quite telling to me.  Most humans follow the "deny until you die" credo. But in ATI-land, lying is still a huge no-no. So my legal degree notwithstanding, I believe the creed of Where there's smoke, there's fire. If Joshley were truly innocent of the cheating charges, he, Boob, + the whole legal arsenal of the TLC-arm would have come out of the gate swinging.

Fast forward to recent months ... Yes, the move to federal court based on jurisdiction of the parties was inevitable. However, it serves to weaken Danica's case considerably. (See great posts upthread outlining the whys and wherefores.)  Having worked for a federal judge 4 states and 3 lifetimes ago, they are held to the strictest standard in upholding the law. Worst thing ever for a federal judge is being reversed. (It's a literal slap in the face and vote of non-confidence.)  Also mentioned was the expected motion to dismiss.  Almost every civil and criminal case (whether state or federal) does this pro forma.  It's just the second play of the game for the Defendant (the first being counsel's Notice of Appearance).  FYI- you'd be surprised how little it takes for a complaint to be thrown out:  invalid date (hence, the typical "on or about" date statements), punctuation error, misspelling, failure to cite properly, failure to give proper & timely notice, etc.

At first, I was also surprised that the Smuggar family hasn't settled. (As stated upthread, settlement is always an option until that very instant when a verdict is rendered, either by bench or jury. The second that happens, all settlement talks are void.) But then again, not surprised. I think Danica filed her suit, hoping for the big kahuna payoff. Which, of course, led to the predictable hiding-the-assets game.

... Okay ... back to reading mode.  (Hoping that anything posted tonight makes sense. I'm bleary-eyed and sleep-deprived x 48 hours, sitting bedside in hospital with critically-ill family member.  Praying I can survive the sights, sounds, and smells of brutal sickness without disgracing self or family member.)

I am sorry you have a critically ill family member. That just always sucks. I hope you find the strength to deal with the situation and that things improve. There is no such thing as disgracing yourself or the family member. You are in a time of stress and the family member needs you and you being there is all that counts. All other stuff gets laid to the side. So hang in there.

[Shadoewolf]

The Eastern Penn court system is open to the public, you can pull documents but you have to join their site for $3 and after 10 pages it charges per page. No way the papps haven't gotten the full court documents and are waiting to run their stories.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

19 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

 And after Josh's duplicity and deceit in the past, it is possible that JB wasn't going to defend him even if Josh said he was innocent.

Absolutely.  Parent love notwithstanding no one would take Smuggar's word for anything in this arena.  JB isn't that stupid. 

I think keeping silent and 'not dignifying it with a response' as my mom would say was the smart move here.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

6 hours ago, DarkAnts said:

If you have an iPhone, the Apple Store will teach you for free.

or you can watch videos on YouTube. No wonder 1Ton Ramp is dead.

Easy for you to say - I'm not sure you understand the depth of their offerings:

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What about Young Ladies?

About 25% of the participants in ITonRamp are currently young ladies. While you may not be saving to buy a home debt free, don't underestimate the value of saving to help purchase or even furnish a home. Many young ladies want to learn these technology skills for their own business, for ministry-related purposes, or to help their father or brothers. Read more in our FAQ.

What about Parents?

Approximately 25% of current participants in ITonRamp are fathers or mothers. It's not too late for you to learn these skills! Perhaps you want to develop skills to work from home or even earn extra money to put towards paying off your mortgage. Some fathers want to learn these skills to help their sons become established in the technology fields. Read more in our FAQ.

Okay, I may not be a young lady to you unless you went to high school with Betty White, and the saving to buy a home debt free shipped sailed a long time ago...but maybe I could help my headship buy furniture?  Or use the skills they teach me to help my father and brothers?  

True, my dad is no longer living but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have benefited from Steve and clones teaching me to use a phone.

 So I'm not a young lady facing this problem:

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It can be a struggle to productively stay busy as young women wait on the Lord for a marriage partner. It is not our goal to provide a career as such for young women, but to help them be productive with their time as the Lord Jesus directs. IT work can give excellent opportunities to earn significant self-employed income in a safe, non-corporate environment and have skills that will facilitate a future marriage, especially if the future husband is self-employed.

But I am a parent!  So they have something for me!  Uh oh...I'm not a father who wants to learn these skills to prepare my sons for jobs in IT.  I'm a mom whose career in IT has made certain that her children want no part of it.

If only my dad were alive to know he could prepare his sons for a career in IT...he only had 38 years working in IT and writing early code for one of the biggest businesses in the world.  But Steve wasn't around to tell him he let the wrong kid follow in his keystrokes...I'm the only one with a career in tech and...no penis.  

This is what happens when people try to rear adult children and live their lives without reading the Corners.  You get non-penis-havers in the IT field and the art of power browsing is lost forever.  

(I haaaaate these patronizing sexist tedious little suck monkeys...bilking the gullible out of money for no career benefit whatsoever.  How do they sleep at night?)

[Arete]

Steve's delusions are amazing. Trying to make a business out of things available for free online, at the public library, or by the manufacture.  Though I think people who pay for free things with Jesus gloss deserve to be conned out of their money.  I know I shouldn't, that Steve and Sons were running a long con and bilking already poor people of their limited funds, but headships have responsibilities to not get tricked out of the family's money.

[Mothership]

Just went down the Maxwell rabbit hole to get caught up on their course offerings.

I have no words for their hubris....really no words.

[Catey]

I really don't give a flying fig about what the outcome of the lawsuit is.

The juicy tidbits are good enough for me.

However, I will be pissed if he gets away with claiming that he never actually met up with ANY women and that his cheating was an affair of the heart only and the godless pursuit of pornography.

Somehow it will just all make it better for him if he only eye cheated.

The only upside I guess would be that it may be more palatable for Anna if his hands have only touched her..

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Just now, Catey said:

I really don't give a flying fig about what the outcome of the lawsuit is.

The juicy tidbits are good enough for me.

However, I will be pissed if he gets away with claiming that he never actually met up with ANY women and that his cheating was an affair of the heart only and the godless pursuit of pornography.

Somehow it will just all make it better for him if he only eye cheated.

The only upside I guess would be that it may be more palatable for Anna if his hands have only touched her..

I know what their theory is on that - but I honestly believe if it was just eye cheating or the lusting in his heart thing they'd have been crystal clear about that.  

They say there is no difference but they know damn well their is  and they'd have made the distinction crystal clear if Smuggar kept his hand to himself the whole time.

[Catey]

1 minute ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

they'd have made the distinction crystal clear if Smuggar kept his hand to himself the whole time.

It would be a miracle.

Suddenly all sins are NOT equal.

 

[ksgranola1]

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The Joshly lawsuit was just on TMZ. He said he never met up w/Danica, never went to her room, went to a  strip club but it wasn't even in Penna. Denied the whole thing.

Here's the article from TMZ. Want to make sure I got it right.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/08/josh-duggar-stripper-lawsuit-sex/

Can't find the "lawsuits are so Godly" thread.

[socalrules]

As to the TMZ report, the thing is, we actually don't know if Josh met up with Danica. All we have is her statement that she did. Until we know more, none of us here can definitively say that they ever met. I think we may want it to be true because of Josh's molesting his sisters but just because he  Is guilty of molestation doesn't mean he is automatically guilty of everything else. I have no positive feelings for Josh but I am still on the even if they did meet, I do not believe Danica story because there are too many changes and holes in it. It just smells like a money grab to me. I completely agree that a prostitute can be raped or abused, I just don't buy her story. 

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, ksgranola1 said:

The Joshly lawsuit was just on TMZ. He said he never met up w/Danica, never went to her room, went to a  strip club but it wasn't even in Penna. Denied the whole thing.

Here's the article from TMZ. Want to make sure I got it right.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/08/josh-duggar-stripper-lawsuit-sex/

Can't find the "lawsuits are so Godly" thread.

TMZ isn't really saying much.  But it really irks me that they say Josh is "going after a stripper" when what he is doing is responding to her accusations.  Even if he is lying, he is "defending" himself, not "going after" her.   I am no fan of Josh, but there is a difference between going after someone out of the blue and saying that they are lying when they go after you.

As for who is telling the truth, I don't know if we will ever know.  I am glad I don't have to be in that Jury.

[Buzzard]

This will be interesting, and will come down to a battle of eyewitnesses.  Considering the time lapse, its unlikely that they will be able to recover cell tower location to prove where josh was at the time of the assault.  I'd assume that whatever cell phone he had at the time has been conveniently "destroyed" as a condition of his intake at Jesus Jail.  Facebook and instagram strips exif data, so anything that he posted wont help and we also know that they arent fond of credit cards.  Its going to be tough to prove when this happened, and that it was smuggums that did it. 

[gustava]

If he can prove he was elsewhere on the days of the purported trysts, is Danica in legal trouble?

[Whoosh]

1 minute ago, gustava said:

If he can prove he was elsewhere on the days of the purported trysts, is Danica in legal trouble?

My opinion on this is that but Josh could counter-sue (or sue?).  IDK though, to be honest.  But this is where I would say the judge could award attorney's fees "in the interest of fairness and justice".  Of course, I am saying that on the assumption that he can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was elsewhere (like jumbotron footage from a game out of town or something at that time).

[QuiverDance]

2 hours ago, gustava said:

If he can prove he was elsewhere on the days of the purported trysts, is Danica in legal trouble?

I'd say she's very very very much opened herself up to a defamation lawsuit, but she might be able to use the judicial privilege defense and/or lack of malice as a defense.  I'm not real up on my defamation affirmative defenses these days.

[JenniferJuniper]

2 hours ago, QuiverDance said:

I'd say she's very very very much opened herself up to a defamation lawsuit, but she might be able to use the judicial privilege defense and/or lack of malice as a defense.  I'm not real up on my defamation affirmative defenses these days.

Just because she doesn't prevail in this lawsuit won't automatically mean Josh has a slam dunk slander/ libel case.  She may not prevail because she doesn't have sufficient proof it was Josh or because she can't support her damages allegations.  This doesn't necessarily prove she was lying.

Josh could certainly sue her, but the burden of proof would shift to him. He'd have to prove she made it up.  And he'd have to show she made a deliberate attempt to harm him, not just that she made an identification mistake.

My guess is that if her case ends up dismissed, Josh will happily take that and leave it there.  The Duggar fan base will take a dismissal as proof that she made it all up,and I doubt Josh would want to open himself up to any further legal questioning on the matter.

[Flyinthesoup]

I don't recall seeing this legal document posted Defendant's motion DENIED!  Document 8.

Here's the article from Radaronline

[JenniferJuniper]

16 minutes ago, Flyinthesoup said:

I don't recall seeing this legal document posted Defendant's motion DENIED!  Document 8.

Here's the article from Radaronline

It was denied as being moot as the court already addressed the issue the day before:    http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/josh-duggar-order-signed.pdf

Radar is only good for the documents themselves.  Their articles are full of shit.

[pumpkie0]

8 hours ago, socalrules said:

As to the TMZ report, the thing is, we actually don't know if Josh met up with Danica. All we have is her statement that she did. Until we know more, none of us here can definitively say that they ever met. I think we may want it to be true because of Josh's molesting his sisters but just because he  Is guilty of molestation doesn't mean he is automatically guilty of everything else. I have no positive feelings for Josh but I am still on the even if they did meet, I do not believe Danica story because there are too many changes and holes in it. It just smells like a money grab to me. I completely agree that a prostitute can be raped or abused, I just don't buy her story. 

Why would he and his family not fight it then?  I find it hard to believe if all he did was look at porn online, sign up for an account with Am but did not act on it that they wouldn't fight it.  Not to mention the humiliation, destroying their show it seems like a lot to risk if someone is innocent

On 1/9/2016 at 10:18 PM, CorruptionInc. said:

Aww Pumpkie, get better soon!

Maybe Josh will get away with it. Even so, mud sticks and the Duggars are being found out.

thank you its been a rough couple of weeks

[Flyinthesoup]

8 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

It was denied as being moot as the court already addressed the issue the day before:    http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/josh-duggar-order-signed.pdf

Radar is only good for the documents themselves.  Their articles are full of shit.

I agree about Radar and documents vs. articles.  I am never sure with regards to quoting sources.  I didn't want to put the article there, but then second guessed myself about 'quoting sources'.

[nokidsmom]

Agree that if the case gets dismissed, Josh will be very happy for that.  I doubt he would want to take it further and file a defamation lawsuit even if there was a chance of winning it.    It would keep his "sins" in the public view and that's one thing that JB especially wouldn't want.    He's probably nervous enough about any other scandals involving  his "golden boy" coming out just simply on their own and damaging the family brand further.

[ksgranola1]

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So that's it? Josh just gets off scott free, waltzes back in, smelling like a rose? I feel sorry for the girl.

[Drala]

21 minutes ago, nokidsmom said:

Agree that if the case gets dismissed, Josh will be very happy for that.  I doubt he would want to take it further and file a defamation lawsuit even if there was a chance of winning it.    It would keep his "sins" in the public view and that's one thing that JB especially wouldn't want.    He's probably nervous enough about any other scandals involving  his "golden boy" coming out just simply on their own and damaging the family brand further.

And all this time I was thinking Josh wouldn't pursue a defamation case because it's Christian to forgive and turn the other cheek!  

[religiouslyconfused]

5 minutes ago, Drala said:

And all this time I was thinking Josh wouldn't pursue a defamation case because it's Christian to forgive and turn the other cheek!  

Yep it seems like their solution is to just pray and forgive!