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On January 12, 2016 at 9:01 AM, clueliss said:

If Famy can't deal with a few kitten scratches, how is she going to handle motherhood and poopy diapers?  

She has blatantly said several times that she is not ready for kids and does not want them yet. It is one of the few redeeming qualities about Famy. Let's not excoriate her on something she hasn't done. 

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On 1/11/2016 at 7:21 AM, snarkykitty said:

I just read her most recent blog post about "changes". She mentions getting a kitten, and says, "I have about 8 scratches on my hands that seal the deal that we need to get her declawed!"
 

 

Dear Famy,

You ignorant little so and so; you shouldn't have a pet if you can't deal with the NATURAL things it does.

How do I know this? I have a 12yo cat (who is still playful) and a 16 week old Kitten. I have been covered in scratches a few times, I currently am now (because the girl is just a kitty and loves to play!) I also have had my kitten poo on the floor, get poop on the wall and chew through my internet cord. Do you see me complaining? No. Because I am aware that with a pet responisiblity comes with it too. 

Declawing Cats or any animal is one of the most cruel things you can do and on this alone, you should not even be allowed to touch pets with a 40 foot pole. UNLESS it is for a medical reason, no Animal should have to go through this.

Regards,

A responsible Pet Owner.

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On 1/7/2016 at 11:04 AM, HarleyQuinn said:

Nobody hit anyone but there was yelling, and crying, then yelling at me because I wasn't "reacting properly." All because I wasn't shocked that my parents were getting a divorce. Excuse me, their fighting caused me enough anxiety as a child so when they were finally like "we're getting a divorce" my first reaction was "why did you wait so long? You hate each other." Not that I said that aloud, but it's all I could think about.

That was my reaction too.  My brother had more of a typical reaction.  And i definitely told all my friends who were shocked that I couldn't believe it took them so long :P 

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I've got two 13 year old cats (litter mates). I did capping for awhile, but with scratching posts I've never had a problem. Scratches while playing are part of the deal.  I trim their claws myself and they don't usually mind their manicure. 

I see King Pickle posted a childish rant in reply to someone accusing them of grifting. 

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On 1/12/2016 at 10:10 PM, Grace said:

Almost every comment on the blog post mentions it. So I refrained from commenting because it drives me crazy when people continue to "correct" someone  online after it's already been pointed out a million times. As if each additional person thinks he/she is the specialist snowflake of all and theirs will be the comment that FINALLY makes the big difference. 

Famy seems to be very motivated by popularity. If enough people tell her she is bad and no one will like her if she does something cruel to her kitten it might get her attention.  

Not doing something painful to her new pet because it's the right thing to do even it it's inconvenient probably isn't enough motivation. 

How much do we want to bet that she will post in the next week or two that she changed her mind about declawing because she had no idea how awful it was and thanking everyone for enlightening her. Then she can pat herself on the head.

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Almost every comment on the blog post mentions it. So I refrained from commenting because it drives me crazy when people continue to "correct" someone  online after it's already been pointed out a million times. As if each additional person thinks he/she is the specialist snowflake of all and theirs will be the comment that FINALLY makes the big difference. 

Famy seems to be very motivated by popularity. If enough people tell her she is bad and no one will like her if she does something cruel to her kitten it might get her attention.  

Not doing something painful to her new pet because it's the right thing to do even it it's inconvenient probably isn't enough motivation. 

How much do we want to bet that she will post in the next week or two that she changed her mind about declawing because she had no idea how awful it was and thanking everyone for enlightening her. Then she can pat herself on the head.

As long as the end result is her kitty keeping her claws, it doesn't matter how she reaches that conclusion.

I really hope she understands why it's important to desex animals too. So many people don't. :(

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On 1/16/2016 at 9:44 AM, MatthewDuggar said:

Those in glass houses should not throw stones. I'm looking at you, Dillon King.

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It kind of bothers me that veterinarians offer declawing, tbh. At least for the purposes of cats not scratching things up. I think they should be leading the vanguard to stop this practice. Because of this thread, I looked up the AVMA policy on declawing cats, which basically states it's permissible after all other methods have failed, but does not outright condemn it in all circumstances. Does anyone with any insight into this institution offer us anything as to why they are dragging their heels on this? 

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Declawing isn't a thing in NZ, I have no idea why anyone would think the logical solution to your cat clawing the furniture is cutting their toes off. I have a one year old cat and she has a scratching post and toys and rarely scratches the furniture. And most of all she has her toes. Declawing a cat just says to me that you care more about your furniture than your cat, and if that's the case, don't get a cat. Tail docking is also illegal here (became so in the last 10 years or so). It's lovely seeing dogs with their natural tails!

I really hope Amy thinks better of it.

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12 hours ago, RosyDaisy said:

I think tail and ear cropping of dogs is inhumane!

Add declawing cats and I'm totally with you. It's basically a form of abuse in my eyes, done for "style" (cropping and docking) and "convenience" (declawing). 

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49 minutes ago, TeaGrannie said:

Add declawing cats and I'm totally with you. It's basically a form of abuse in my eyes, done for "style" (cropping and docking) and "convenience" (declawing). 

Mostly cropping is just for style but much of it originates from function, correct? Like, don't some working dogs have cropped tails because of the specific work they do? I assume there is a reason hearding dogs were cropped hundreds of years ago. I think terrier's were so they could be pulled out of rodent holes by their master without breaking their tail. I don't think anybody hunts rodents with little dogs anymore but sheep dogs are still used. Would they still need functional modifications, I wonder?

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Until recently we had a very sweet rescue Rottweiler/black lab mix.  We lost him to liver disease a couple of weeks before Halloween.  He looked very much rotti but his tail wasn't cropped, thank goodness. It was in the shape of a question mark and very much matched his personality. :) 

We also have a pit bull mix we adopted as a grown up dog. Thankfully her ears weren't cropped!

We adopted a little terrier mix from our neighbors when they moved.  He's an adorable and very funny little guy. :). He was dropped over their fence in the middle of the night.  We still don't know who did it or why.  Unfortunately, his first owners cropped his tail down to a tiny nub.  It looks like a bunny tail.  Why would anyone do such a thing???

Even if I had a purebred puppy with papers I would never have him or her cropped and/or docked.  It seems really cruel and unnecessary to me.  I often apologize to my terrier about his tail. ;) :(

As for declawing cats, my vet won't do it.  I get the feeling that Amy was just trying to be cute and not serious about the declawing thing.  At least I hope so. Post first, think later, seems to be her MO.  I've been guilty of that myself. ;) 

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I know a couple who had their dog's tail docked for medical reasons - the dog's tail was quite long and when he'd wag it, the tail would slam into a wall. The poor dog would often injury himself to the point of drawing significant amounts of blood, and it was happening quite frequently. The couple felt like surgery was the best option, and the dog has had no problems since.

As far as declawing goes...I know there is now laser declawing available that cuts the recovery time down significantly. From what I understand, however, it still removes the the cat's first knuckle in the process which is what causes so many issues later on. I think part of the problem is that the general population doesn't fully understand what the process of declawing is really like for cats and how traumatic it truly can be. 

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Thankfully declawing cats is illegal here in Germany (and in some other EU states)! I am not a fan of cats but even I would never do that to a cat. (I'd rather wear gloves or something, haha!)

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2 hours ago, Grace said:

Mostly cropping is just for style but much of it originates from function, correct? Like, don't some working dogs have cropped tails because of the specific work they do? I assume there is a reason hearding dogs were cropped hundreds of years ago. I think terrier's were so they could be pulled out of rodent holes by their master without breaking their tail. I don't think anybody hunts rodents with little dogs anymore but sheep dogs are still used. Would they still need functional modifications, I wonder?

 

The history of docking was actually the opposite - in ancient Roman times game-hunting dogs kept their tails and if you were poor, your dogs' tail was docked because I guess poor people weren't supposed to eat or be allowed to hunt game. It was believed that the long tails helped the hunting dogs in their chase. Then it just kind of stuck as an appearance thing for some breeds. There is still good rationale for cropping guard dogs' and hunting dogs' tails because they can get caught in underbrush/shrubbery or used against a guard dog by pulling on the tail to interfere with their attack. 

Yes, I am a nerd who researched this, as well as a mini schnauzer momma. He comes from a long line of ratters and those instincts are strong. I could see a long tail getting in the way with his chase and interfering with his ability to get into small spaces. Stubborn little guy also thinks he's a herder and will run figure 8's around you until you go where he wants you to go; a long tail might even slow him down. I did refuse the cropping of his ears, though, even though one ear stood up on its own and the other didn't.

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I personally had no idea about what declawing actually entailed. Of course, I am allergic to anything with fur, especially cats, so it wouldn't be something I would be needing to have done anyway.  However, after reading all these posts about what is actually done when an at is declawed, I can't understand why people would actually do that to their cats!  It's just cruel. 

I hope Amy is just uninformed like I was, and will change her mind once she does some research on the topic herself. (One can hope, right?)

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21 hours ago, Grace said:

Mostly cropping is just for style but much of it originates from function, correct? Like, don't some working dogs have cropped tails because of the specific work they do? I assume there is a reason hearding dogs were cropped hundreds of years ago. I think terrier's were so they could be pulled out of rodent holes by their master without breaking their tail. I don't think anybody hunts rodents with little dogs anymore but sheep dogs are still used. Would they still need functional modifications, I wonder?

What you are referring to is docking and yes, it was done for function. The farmer needed a good handle to get the dog out of the rat hole.  Docking is very different from cropping of ears.  It is done by the vet or the owner of the mother when the pups are just a few days old (maybe 3 days), doesn't necessarily require any anesthesia (at most a local) and is usually done with surgical scissors.  I don't know how many terriers are used to go after vermin nowadays, but they do Earthdog trials which are the same kind of thing.  They just don't go after real rats -just pretend vermin.  Dachshunds also do Earthdog and have never had their tails docked.  A terrier with an undocked tail does look a little strange until you get used to it.  We had a wire-haired fox terrier (like Asta in The Thin Man) with an undocked tail years ago.

Docking among herding breeds was probably done to avoid the dog's tail getting caught in brush.  Lamb's tails are almost always docked, btw.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_(animal)

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On January 16, 2016 at 5:44 PM, MatthewDuggar said:

Maybe if he doesn't want to be called a grifter he and Amy should stop talking about the Duggars on social media and to tabloids, and shouldn't have asked the public for gifts, been featured on People, or threw a hissy fit about not having their wedding featured on TLC...

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But didn't you read. Dylan promises that they barely talked to any tabloids and that they only advertised their registry. That's totally not asking for gifts, right? Oh, and Dillards totally just contacted them about their wedding shower because that's a thing Dillards just does for average, every day people. And their wedding wasn't featured on TLC, so clearly that somehow means ~something~ about them not grifting for a special. Average workin folk list themselves as "Public Figure" on Facebook, right?

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We had a Jack Russell type 30 years ago that maybe could have benefitted from her tail being docked.  She suffered from self-mutilation syndrome and would chase her tail incessantly.  She ended up chewing about half her tail off and we ended up having to have her put down because she was always in pain. She might have been better off with a shorter tail. Toby was a sweet girl. Our girls named the little dog with the red collar in the Fisher-Price Little People set Toby in her honor.

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1 hour ago, PennySycamore said:

We had a Jack Russell type 30 years ago that maybe could have benefitted from her tail being docked.  She suffered from self-mutilation syndrome and would chase her tail incessantly.  She ended up chewing about half her tail off and we ended up having to have her put down because she was always in pain. She might have been better off with a shorter tail. Toby was a sweet girl. Our girls named the little dog with the red collar in the Fisher-Price Little People set Toby in her honor.

<<hugs>>

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