Jill & Jessa specials coming - MERGED

[EmCatlyn]

3 hours ago, Handmaiden of Dog said:

Boy the descriptions are making these episodes sound less like "The Jill and Jessa Specials" and more like "Catching up With The Duggar Family."  And to think that only a couple of months ago we were wondering if Dim Bulb and Mullet would have the nerve to try and muscle in on the specials. 

It isn't what JB and Michelle would or could do. It is what TLC decided to do.  TLC knows  darn well that even humpers might not find Jessa-Ben-baby and Jill-Derick-baby all that terribly exciting to carry three shows.  They want to get the Duggars back some way, and the lives of the married daughters is the way to sneak them in.

I suspect that in these specials at least they may try to keep the emphasis on the younger generation and that JB and Michelle will be kept somewhat in the background.  But TLC knows that people will tune in for the family, not because Jill and Jessa themselves are particularly interesting.

[EmCatlyn]

7 hours ago, calimojo said:

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It is harder to argue with a steady decline in ratings.  Pulling show based on the scandals gave the leg humpers the ability to argue that it is wrong to punish the whole family for the sins of one.  Of course this argument is idiotic since it is obvious to most of us with half a brain that it was the parents, the crazy belief system, the lies, the fraud, etc, that led to that critical scandal, but their fans refused to see that.  But if even their own fanbase, starts to realize there are much more interesting things to do than to watch Jessa with her flat affect and edge of defensiveness, Ben, with his inability to speak a complete sentence, Jill and her charmless ditz and Derrick, who appears to have all the common sense of a cracked egg, then perhaps there is an actual chance that people will start to see this family more realistically. 

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I just love the bolded!  Cracked egg indeed!

As to the rest, I agree that poor ratings will definitely show that there should be no more Duggars on TV... But poor ratings on the specials will do that too.

My guess is the ratings for the specials will be good enough that there will be other specials but not a regular series. TLC will at least initially  limit their commitment and make it easier to pull back and distance themselves from the family if needed.

I  got the impression that JB wasn't exactly graceful about the show being dropped, and I have wondered if the Specials might not be in part a way of dealing with claims that JB was making. Because filming had begun, there may have been issues about payment to the Duggars for segments shot even if they weren't shown.  

Maybe the Specials are both a way of testing the waters about a Duggar future and placating JB. In any case, I would guess TLC will take its time before committing to more than a set of Specials at a time. 

[JenniferJuniper]

8 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

 

Maybe the Specials are both a way of testing the waters about a Duggar future and placating JB. In any case, I would guess TLC will take its time before committing to more than a set of Specials at a time. 

I'm not sure why TLC would feel any need to placate Jim Bob.

He's not legally entitled to a TV show anymore than you or I, and I doubt he was ever forthcoming with them regarding the molestations.

It's all about money for TLC.   19 Kids was one of their most popular shows, and if they could get away with it, they'd bring it back.  The "girls'" specials are a way of using footage they'd filmed but had to leave in the can when the show was cancelled as well as a way to slyly exploit the fall of the House of Duggar for ratings.

I think even TLC must realize that high ratings for the specials won't necessarily springboard into a successful series.  Curiosity will bring out viewers for the specials, but the ick factor with this family is strong, and when you couple ick with boring and toss in sponsor problems, I don't see a long term TV future for any of the Duggars.

At least not until one of the howlers leaves the fold and is enticed by the idea of money he'd otherwise never get to see.   "James at 18; A Duggar Faces the World Alone".

[Hermen-uetics]

I think we are going to see more Duggar specials, the TLC threshold for providing specials must be very low since they still have Kate+8 specials.. Maybe when a show becomes less popular the pay scale for "stars" is lowered enough to make the specials work with poor ratings   

The Kate +8 specials have to have low ratings, for me I don't even hate watch her anymore. 

[EmCatlyn]

3 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

I'm not sure why TLC would feel any need to placate Jim Bob.

He's not legally entitled to a TV show anymore than you or I, and I doubt he was ever forthcoming with them regarding the molestations.

I was speculating that there may have been some dispute about payment for the time spent filming stuff for a new show that didn't happen.  I have no idea how reality tv folks are paid, but I gather it is not per hour or days of work.  Based on discussions in FJ,  I got the impression the Duggars got paid based on completed shows.

If that is the case, then depending on what was in the contract, JB could have argued that he and his had "worked" towards the fall 2015 shows and that TLC was defrauding them of payment for those hours by canceling the show.  He is not entitled to have a TV show, but he might have a case for getting paid something for the work he and his family did towards the show that didn't happen.

Anyway it is just speculation.  I agree that they had no legal claim to a show, but he might have threatened to entangle them in litigation over the time the Duggars gave to the cancelled season.  I am not suggesting that TLC did the Specials to placate JB, only that a factor in the decision may have been that not only do they get to use some of the footage intended for the cancelled 19k show but they don't have to negotiate further with JB about recompense for the filming that led to nothing.  I was further suggesting that TLC would probably prefer not to commit to a whole series.

I agree that TLC is just trying to make money.

[2manyKidzzz]

I just posted on the Anna and the Mkids thread that my gut feeling watching the trailer is that Anna is being exploited.....to have to go on national TV when the world knows what her husband did. But, this is a perspectiive from my standpoint. Anyone else?

[Shadoewolf]

Didn't Mama June go after TLC for money after her family did a bunch of filming and Honey Boo Boo was cancelled?  If I remember right, she sued didn't she? 

[Mela99]

I thought the specials were on last night and was surprised at the lack of commentary... then I realized I mixed the dates. I'll go back to housecleaning now ...

[IlseLazlo]

Is someone planning to do a recap of the show here?  I do not want to take a chance that I might up the ratings. Also, if that is done, I hope we will get a list of advertisers.  

[JenniferJuniper]

41 minutes ago, Shadoewolf said:

Didn't Mama June go after TLC for money after her family did a bunch of filming and Honey Boo Boo was cancelled?  If I remember right, she sued didn't she? 

I don't know if she sued, but they did voluntarily pay out all of the parties who did work, with the exception of June because she supposedly violated her contract. Speculation was that it was a morals clause.

If they were following the same rule for the Duggars, everyone would have been paid for the work they did, regardless of whether the shows aired or not.  Unless someone violated, and therefore voided, his/her contract.

[accountingstar]

43 minutes ago, JenniferJuniper said:

I don't know if she sued, but they did voluntarily pay out all of the parties who did work, with the exception of June because she supposedly violated her contract. Speculation was that it was a morals clause.

If they were following the same rule for the Duggars, everyone would have been paid for the work they did, regardless of whether the shows aired or not.  Unless someone violated, and therefore voided, his/her contract.

Courtsey of TMZ: "Mama June is not going to get her full salary from TLC for the un-aired season, because TLC squarely put the blame on her for the show's cancellation. Sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ, TLC's biggest concern is the welfare of Honey Boo Boo and the other kids and show execs are deeply concerned and upset that June has put them at risk by dating convicted child molester Mark McDaniel. The network does not believe June deserves full payment, so they have deducted a significant amount from what she would have gotten if the show aired. As for the kids ... we're told they will ALL be paid in full. Ditto Sugar Bear, who will also get his due. And Uncle Poodle has already received his loot. Our sources say TLC is hanging its hat on a morals clause in her contract -- and cavorting with the guy who molested one of her daughters ... well, it seems to qualify."

Link: http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/01/here-comes-honey-boo-boo-salary-cancelled-season-mama-june-money/#ixzz3tfMUbjkG

 

Story about Mama June To Sue TLC If They Don't Cancel '19 Kids And Counting'

Link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/22/june-shannon-cancel-19-kids-counting_n_7421202.html

 

5 hours ago, Hermen-uetics said:

I think we are going to see more Duggar specials, the TLC threshold for providing specials must be very low since they still have Kate+8 specials.. Maybe when a show becomes less popular the pay scale for "stars" is lowered enough to make the specials work with poor ratings   

The Kate +8 specials have to have low ratings, for me I don't even hate watch her anymore. 

The ratings for Kate + 8 on January 22, 2015 were better than the ratings for My Big Fat Fabulous Life. The was upon the top 100 cable shows among adults 18-49 for the whole day.

Link: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/01/22/tuesday-cable-ratings-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-the-haves-the-have-nots-fixer-upper-win-night-pretty-little-liars-ground-floor-more/

Show

Net

Time

Viewers (000) (Live + SD)

Adult 18-49 Rating (Live + SD)

KATE PLUS 8

TLC

9:00 PM

1321

0.5

 

19 Kids and Counting was at times a top 25 cable show in ratings.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/05/12/cable-top-25game-of-thrones-tops-cable-viewership-for-the-week-ending-may-10-2015/

 

Let's see what the ratings look like on Sunday.

[Valerie3kids]

The ratings for Kate Plus  were higher than My Big Fat Fabulous LIfe? Wow. I do not like either show. Have not watched any of Kate's specials as I can not stand her "poor me" attitude and the way she talks to her children. I was under the "wrong" impression that the Big Fat show was pulling in the ratings. Why I thought that I really do not know. I am glad that It isn't. I feel they are paying her to be in very poor health and be ok with it. Having borderline diabetes in not a life sentence but constantly zipping through drive thru windows and closet eating is. I understand she has PCOS, but she is very quick to blame everyone and everything except what she is actually putting in her mouth as her problems. Ugh. I just do not like TLC and the route they are taking with some of these shows.

Not paying Mama June for a morality clause is like the pot calling the kettle black. Where is TLC's morality clause? They continue to shove the Duggars down everyone's throats after both child molestation charges and the cheating were revealed. I have read some where in the past the if the entire Duggar family was allowed back on TLC, then Mama June was going to sue.

[EmmieJ]

5 hours ago, Hermen-uetics said:

I think we are going to see more Duggar specials, the TLC threshold for providing specials must be very low since they still have Kate+8 specials.. Maybe when a show becomes less popular the pay scale for "stars" is lowered enough to make the specials work with poor ratings   

The Kate +8 specials have to have low ratings, for me I don't even hate watch her anymore. 

I think you're probably right about TLC producing at least several more "specials," considering how they've done with with Kate +8.  It's clear that whoever is in charge of decision making at TLC doesn't care that their reputation is pretty much in shreds, that they are now know as the purveyors of hogwash, and their shows are filled with as-yet-to-be discovered perversions and creepy scandals.  I'm waiting to hear that they've been in talks with Jared Fogle for a series of specials!

I can't figure out who is still watching Kate+8.  None of the 8 children are particularly interesting or charming.  I feel sorry for the 3 boys, who seem to be treated as 2nd class citizens in their own home.  Kate is dull and completely self-involved.  Who is watching this slop?

2 hours ago, 2manyKidzzz said:

I just posted on the Anna and the Mkids thread that my gut feeling watching the trailer is that Anna is being exploited.....to have to go on national TV when the world knows what her husband did. But, this is a perspectiive from my standpoint. Anyone else?

TLC and JB Duggar will happily exploit any story line and any family member, if they think it will generate ratings and advertising dollars.

[accountingstar]

I can't believe that TLC is paying Kate Gosselin $40,000 per episode. I wonder how much Jill & Jessa are going to earn.

http://www.ibtimes.com/kate-gosselins-new-kate-plus-8-salary-revealed-tlc-star-making-over-40k-episode-report-1666742

Kate + 8 is returning this week too and it sounds like a snoozefest too. Another vacation trip.

http://www.mcall.com/entertainment/tv-watchers/mc-kate-gosselin-and-family-returns-to-tlc-in-december-20151118-story.html

I think that I am actually more interested in the show premiering after Jill & Jessa Counting On. The show is called Married by Mom and Dad.

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/married-by-mom-and-dad/about-married-by-mom-and-dad/

https://corporate.discovery.com/discovery-newsroom/tlcs-new-series-married-by-mom-and-dad-takes-an-old-school-approach-by-letting-parents-select-spouses-for-their-hopeful-singles/

I think TLC is the trash channel. I love how TLC describes themselves: "offering remarkably relatable real-life stories without judgment, TLC shares everyday heart, humor, hope, and human connection with programming genres that include fascinating families, heartwarming transformations, and life’s milestone moments."

I also saw this on the corporate website, "Also, for the first time, several family members including Anna Duggar speak out and address the difficult summer the family faced. The emotional and candid interviews highlight how the family continues to move forward from a time of turmoil to a time of celebration."

https://corporate.discovery.com/discovery-newsroom/jill-and-jessa-counting-on-celebrates-new-life-and-adventure/

I wonder who are the other family members. I am hopping not Jim Bob or Michelle. I don't care to hear from them. Is Anna actually going to speak her mind?

 

[EmCatlyn]

3 hours ago, accountingstar said:

wonder who are the other family members. I am hopping not Jim Bob or Michelle. I don't care to hear from them. Is Anna actually going to speak her mind

I doubt that Anna (or anyone else) is going to speak her mind.  These people say what they think they should say. I don't doubt that Anna will admit to being devastated.  It is acceptable for her to feel devastated.

What she won't say, even if she has had such thoughts, is that she wanted to hit Josh over the head repeatedly with her heaviest frying pan and never have to see him, much less have sex with him again.  She may say that for a brief period she wanted to crawl into a hole and grieve, but she will immediately qualify that to add that she thought about her children and Jesus gave her strength to go on.

And we should be prepared for her to say that she has asked herself how she could have helped Josh more, how, if she had been more aware of his needs, noticed the signs that he was watching porn, made herself more available and pleasing instead of being preoccupied with the kids etc.. She may also say something about how she is purposing to be a better wife.  Some of us may gag.

As for others speaking up, I think a couple of the older siblings besides Jessa and Jill will say something about being shocked/disappointed --maybe they will get Joseph or Josiah or even John David to say something about how they now know how truly important it is to resist temptation, how porn can destroy your life, etc..  

JB and Michelle will probably have something to say about their grief and how they never expected Satan to build such a big fortress in their golden son's heart, that porn is evil and that they pray a lot.  But I am guessing the focus will be on the young people and JB and M will just get a few minutes to show they are concerned parents etc.

[MatthewDuggar]

14 hours ago, EmmieJ said:

I can't figure out who is still watching Kate+8. 

I have watched a few episodes, which is a few more than when the show was at the height of popularity.  I don't care to watch shows with screaming toddlers (or toddlers being screamed at).  It is rather boring, but Kate is interesting to watch when she's not being blatantly abusive.

[Arrowoftruth]

I wonder if they'll explain why Derick got oral surgery so close to having a baby. It's absolutely incredulous to me. Unless he had an infection of some sort I can't see why especially when getting orthodontic appliances you have to see the doc every 4 to 8 weeks.

[TXGirlInAMaterialWorld]

10 minutes ago, Arrowoftruth said:

I wonder if they'll explain why Derick got oral surgery so close to having a baby. It's absolutely incredulous to me. Unless he had an infection of some sort I can't see why especially when getting orthodontic appliances you have to see the doc every 4 to 8 weeks.

I wonder if Derick already knew he was going to leave his job and had surgery before he left to use insurance.  Even if D&J bought their own insurance once he quit- it would still probably have a higher deductible and co-insurance than an employer plan would. 

[SassyPants]

11 minutes ago, Arrowoftruth said:

I wonder if they'll explain why Derick got oral surgery so close to having a baby. It's absolutely incredulous to me. Unless he had an infection of some sort I can't see why especially when getting orthodontic appliances you have to see the doc every 4 to 8 weeks.

Well, because he knew that he would be quitting his job and wanted his WM health insurance to pick up the tab. They are users, but you'll never hear them state the obvious truth.

[Catey]

A part of me thinks that the Duggars must know that the end is near, if you look at their "official" FB page they no longer even clean up the worst of the comments that make their way onto the page, look at the baby pic put up about 18 hours ago and the comments under it, I have seen them leave comments up that were negative but not so many, I think that they are just not even really trying to control their public image all that much any more.

 

I think that they will have a special or 3 more but after that they will just slowly fade to black unless there is something really          titillating on the special people who are even hate watching it are going to get annoyed with the lack of any real material.

No one really cares all that much about the family anymore outside of the scandals so unless you are going to have images of Josh in rehab sexting with someone new they are just old boring hypocrites that have outlived their usefulness.

Really want to make a drinking game out of how many times they say the word strength in the specials though...

 

[accountingstar]

Courtesy of Christian Today:

"The Hollywood Gossip claims if "Jill and Jessa: Counting On" proves to be successful, then TLC will consider a full season contract with the two Duggar girls.

Other reports also say that if the spinoff is well-received, then a "19 Kids and Counting" reboot may be in the cards. A successful run of "Jill and Jessa: Counting On" will show that there are still fans of the Duggar clan out there, which would be absolutely necessary for a reboot of the formerly hugely popular show.

Another Facebook group called "No More Duggars" has already reportedly gotten over 800 brands and companies to agree not to run any ads during the spinoff show's run."

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/jill.and.jessa.counting.on.news.update.success.of.new.duggar.family.tv.show.19.kids.and.counting.reboot/72769.htm

I really don't think that Jill and Jessa would be interesting enough for a whole season. Maybe if another child is in a courtship that would result in a mini season or if Jana actually goes to college that could be another one hour episode. The Duggars are best off going the route of Kate + Plus and Little People Big World. A couple of episodes a year.

I wonder who is sponsoring the show since this Facebook group has gotten over 800 brand not to sponsor the show. Maybe Christian companies are going to run ads or is TLC just going to show promotions of its other shows. It will be interesting to see the companies running commercials on Sunday.

 

[ljohnson2006]

TLC showing the promo for the specials five thousand times a day doesn't make me want to watch more.

[Catey]

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If that is true then they might as well just call it Counting on (you not noticing that this is exactly the same show minus Josh)

I am not sure why I am having such a quote fiasco please excuse my poor quoting form...

 

 

 

[Bad Wolf]

16 minutes ago, accountingstar said:

Courtesy of Christian Today:

"The Hollywood Gossip claims if "Jill and Jessa: Counting On" proves to be successful, then TLC will consider a full season contract with the two Duggar girls.

Other reports also say that if the spinoff is well-received, then a "19 Kids and Counting" reboot may be in the cards. A successful run of "Jill and Jessa: Counting On" will show that there are still fans of the Duggar clan out there, which would be absolutely necessary for a reboot of the formerly hugely popular show.

Another Facebook group called "No More Duggars" has already reportedly gotten over 800 brands and companies to agree not to run any ads during the spinoff show's run."

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/jill.and.jessa.counting.on.news.update.success.of.new.duggar.family.tv.show.19.kids.and.counting.reboot/72769.htm

I really don't think that Jill and Jessa would be interesting enough for a whole season. Maybe if another child is in a courtship that would result in a mini season or if Jana actually goes to college that could be another one hour episode. The Duggars are best off going the route of Kate + Plus and Little People Big World. A couple of episodes a year.

I wonder who is sponsoring the show since this Facebook group has gotten over 800 brand not to sponsor the show. Maybe Christian companies are going to run ads or is TLC just going to show promotions of its other shows. It will be interesting to see the companies running commercials on Sunday.

 

Hobby Lobby?

[ljohnson2006]

Show TLC you're not interested by not watching.