Esther Shrader (Anna Duggar's sister) living in a pop up

[pixydust]

1 Timothy 5:8 "But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. Apparently Johnny skipped this verse.

Just about all of the QF's ignore this.

[TheSassyOne]

Apparently he nodded off at the wheel too.

They are in Leesville, Louisiana now. At least it should be a bit warmer there, shouldn't it?

Oh Lord, are they here, [in Louisiana] in a pop up trailer? No, we've had low temps lately. Some areas had snow. The past few days we've had tons of rain and highs in the 40's, low's in the low 30's. Leesville is North of me, so they may have had snow/ice - if so, I hope someone put them up for the night.

[thekate]

You're right. I jumped to conclusions. Sarah Shrader Waller is married to Anthony Waller and there's no mention of an Anthony or Tony Waller as a direct sibling to David Waller. Sarah Waller is definitely John Shrader's sister and therefore an in-law to the Duggars, albeit distantly. It seems that she's rejected the nutjob lifestyle that her brother is living. I don't know how nutty the rest of the family is but it seems horrid that Sarah is living in a luxurious house and she and her husband drive fancy cars and go on expensive trips, plus they seem to be motorcycle collectors. All the while her nieces and nephews are living in abject poverty. I'm not saying that she should be subsidizing her brother's crazyness and who knows how much money or help she's given/offered. But, I wonder if she's tried to at least get a few of her nieces/nephews out of that insanity. There's probably nothing she can do legally other than risk the kids getting sucked into the CPS system or losing all contact with them.

I truly want to know how the family overall feels about John and Esther's "adventures" and whether or not they worry about the children. They must have some knowledge as they are friended on facebook but I suspect that John is "too pious" to seek let someone with big hair and low cut blouses help the children out even for a minute. And I wonder if he and Esther would even visit family members whose life would appear enviable to the children but who are definitely godless heathens by their definition.

Even if she offered financial help, I have a feeling it would go to the "mission" instead of the family.

[lilwriter85]

More evidence showing that the way these 2nd generation fundie kids were raised is not feasible for the survival of their little "Army for God". I'm so sad that these people are subjecting their 7? 8? children to living in a popup tent and then "oh hey what's one more mouth to provide for"... oh wait, their NOT providing. I understand that people often fall on hard times and there are many unfortunate, uncontrollable circumstances that lead to homelessness, but THIS IS RIDICULOUS. I know everyone is basically airing these same sentiments, but I just had to get it out. And one more thing: Where the heck is she getting care for the new blessing? Is she going without care? Will she homebirth? I feel sorry for the children whose parents are foolishly choosing depravation for their families.

I have been wondering about that too. Some very poor fundies find free clinics for their care(e.g. the Bates family). The Shraders are a bit worse off right now than the Bateses. She could be going without care or maybe she visits a midwife once in awhile. When it comes to the birth, the midwife help them out if they are still in the trailer house. Unassisted home births do happen with some fundies. I can't remember which blogger had unassisted home births. I really feel sorry for the Shrader children and I bet one of those children will completely reject the fundie lifestyle when they are old enough.

[wild little fox]

Well, at least they have solid walls now.

Just before my parents split up we took a family trip from Oregon to Arkansas in December in a popup trailer. It was cold, but our parents took very good care of us. And we were not in the trailer 24/7. We had some cold nights, but we had heat and good bedding.

I told mom about this family's situation and that they lived in the Gorge. She was appalled.

[Jana814]

Why isnt he getting a job?? Youd think that he would be doing everything he can to to make sure his kids and pregnant wife have somewhere comfortable to live, and trying to make sure they arent homeless by the time their next kid is born.

AGREE!!!

[SisiL78]

AGREE!!!

He strikes me as being unable to work with others and under the direction of others. He's probably very happy to be begging handouts and being the "boss" of his wife and children. In the camper van he directs where they go and how they live. In a real job he'd have to take direction from others and follow someone else's rules. If you look at his laughable employment history you'll see some assistant pastorship, less than two years selling cars, and being a "self employed window washer". He and I are almost exactly the same age. I've work in publishing for Reed Elsevier in their engineering and construction documents. I've been an engineer doing QC and permitting and slope stability analysis for Nuclear Power Plants and now I'm in a graduate program where I've continued to work in small consulting projects and other odds and ends like project scheduling and QA/QC. What all of my work has had in common is the need to take direction, constantly, from others and to do what others tell me to do. Selling cars involves working a lot of hours and dealing with a lot of b.s. My brother does this and while he's moved up from just being a random sales guy on the floor he still puts in long hours and has to take direction from a lot of different people. He also has to deal with a lot of very difficult customers and there are days when he's on his feet for more than 10 hours. I can't imagine John, a man who jokes about nodding off and nearly killing his entire family, having the wherewithal to work like that.

John strikes me as the type where no one can tell him what to do. If by 34 he hasn't found himself at least some steady employment then he's probably unemployable. The appeal of Zambia is that he'll get to be his own boss and tell the people of Zambia how to live their lives. You'd think that maybe his desire to be his own boss would lead him to entrepreneurship but he'd still have to find investors and be organized and have plans about his goals etc.... Starting a business is VERY hard work, much harder than any other job. And John strikes me as lazy and not the type to have the mental capacity to work out any sort of long term plan. It would be interesting to know what Esther is like. Has she been completely defeated by this lifestyle? Is she pleased with all of this? Does she doubt her husband but go along b/c she's afraid of damnation? Does she love her children more than her husband or is she a willing participant to this nightmare they are living in? I wonder how she can continue bearing children in this situation. Its not as if they are living in a small house and things are tough but liveable. I don't have issue with a large family having to make do with three or four kids to a room (as long as they have beds and not a costco shelf) and hand me downs etc.... As long as they have a decent roof over their heads, enough to eat, security, and education. I know lots of big families who live off of 50-70k a year and while that's more than the national average it still doesn't buy them any luxuries when they divide it between the needs of 7-12 kids. John is making maybe a few grand a year through random window washing?

This family makes the Maxwells and Zsu Zsu and the Arndts seem almost normal. That's quite an accomplishment.

[wild little fox]

^Yep! One would have to be a sociopath to do this.

[Arete]

^Yep! One would have to be a sociopath to do this.

That is giving him too much credit. John Shrader is what happens when you are lazy and don't get called on it.

[Witsec7]

Well, at least they have solid walls now.

Just before my parents split up we took a family trip from Oregon to Arkansas in December in a popup trailer. It was cold, but our parents took very good care of us. And we were not in the trailer 24/7. We had some cold nights, but we had heat and good bedding.

I told mom about this family's situation and that they lived in the Gorge. She was appalled.

They eventually get free housing every winter. There is a sucker born every minute.

[Jana814]

Never thought of the fact that he can't work for others!! Is he worried that he might have a woman, boss and have to answer to her.

[SisiL78]

Never thought of the fact that he can't work for others!! Is he worried that he might have a woman, boss and have to answer to her.

Gothard has this whole thing about working for non-believers and women etc.... Basically you can work for a Gothard based organization or you can be in business for yourself (or part of your own family's business) and that's about it. Gil Bates used to have a nice professional job working for a large company. It probably had decent benefits and more salary than he makes now. He was fundie lite then, I think. But, Gothard enters the picture and suddenly he's got a barely viable tree cutting service instead, with none of that fancy medical insurance or financial stability.

[Jessica]

He worked for Nabisco, I think. He said he figured out that he could work half as much and get the same pay by having the tree business... So why he doesn't work full time and make "double" what he made at Nabisco (?) so he can actually take care of his kids is a mystery to me.

[sunshine]

Now, he is a pastor. Apparently, he has a new calling.

[Dinger]

I wish I hadn't looked at his Facebook now :( what an arrogant arsehole he is, those poor children.

[Miggy]

Let me get this right; the Kellers have eight kids, Daniel & Rebekah left fundydom, Suzanna also left fundydom and is soon to be a single mum, Esther is basically homeless and her husband is unemployed, Pris is married to a pecan thief and Anna is married to Josh who is still supported by his father via the show and the carlot. (I know nothing about the two youngest boys but I believe they still live at home.)

There has to be something here about SOTDRT + parent guided courtship not working, right? You can't seriously tell me that this was where the Keller parents hoped their children would be. (I'm not saying the children aren't happy, just that they where the parents would have planned for them to be.)

[lilith]

Let me get this right; the Kellers have eight kids, Daniel & Rebekah left fundydom, Suzanna also left fundydom and is soon to be a single mum, Esther is basically homeless and her husband is unemployed, Pris is married to a pecan thief and Anna is married to Josh who is still supported by his father via the show and the carlot. (I know nothing about the two youngest boys but I believe they still live at home.)

There has to be something here about SOTDRT + parent guided courtship not working, right? You can't seriously tell me that this was where the Keller parents hoped their children would be. (I'm not saying the children aren't happy, just that they where the parents would have planned for them to be.)

A quiverfull prince, Gothard's personal assistant, and a fundie "pastor" with a "calling" to convert Africa and the ability to impregnate his wife every 18 months? I'm sure the Kellars are thrilled with the results of those courtships.

Daniel, Rebecca and Susanna - probably not do much, but the other three are pretty prestigious in ATI world.

[quaterofaquiver]

Let me get this right; the Kellers have eight kids, Daniel & Rebekah left fundydom, Suzanna also left fundydom and is soon to be a single mum, Esther is basically homeless and her husband is unemployed, Pris is married to a pecan thief and Anna is married to Josh who is still supported by his father via the show and the carlot. (I know nothing about the two youngest boys but I believe they still live at home.)

There has to be something here about SOTDRT + parent guided courtship not working, right? You can't seriously tell me that this was where the Keller parents hoped their children would be. (I'm not saying the children aren't happy, just that they where the parents would have planned for them to be.)

huh? Suzanna is going to be a single mum? Sorry can u please point me to the thread this is in as I had now idea and no I am sad for her........ just hope this wont send her running back to fundydom and all the shame :cry:

[Miggy]

Does being called to be a missionary balance out being unemployed? I have a hard time imagining any parent being ok with their daughter on 7 kids living is a caravan. My fundy-in-laws all place a really high emphasis on the husband providing an income and supporting his wife. Fundy royalty doesn't exist here as far as I know so that may change things.

Does being Gothard's assistant make up for involving your daughter in a pecan theft?

Did Josh tell the Keller parents that he owned the car lot and the house or was he honest and admitted that Daddy owned the carlot and Grandma the house? Does being a star make up for dragging a pregnant Anna all over the country in a bus?

My father is an evil, leftist-liberal, socialist, union-member and definately not patriarchial (brilliant man) and I just know that if he saw me being treated like any of these wives he would turn up on my doorstep, pack up myself and my children and take me back to his place. I am surprised that fundy fathers see these marriages as good.

huh? Suzanna is going to be a single mum? Sorry can u please point me to the thread this is in as I had now idea and no I am sad for her........ just hope this wont send her running back to fundydom and all the shame :cry:

Suzanna was engaged and fell pregnant. Boyfriend has now disappeared and they baby is due at the end of this month. Her facebook page is private but you can still see the photos. The saddist comment is that someone asked her if she knew her sister was pregnant and she answered "Which one? I don't really talk to them." I think it turned out she knew that Esther was pregnant but not about Priscilla. Try using search to find threads about her hear. On facebook I found her following a link from Rebekah MacDonald's page. (Another sister. I was looking for pics of her kids after everyone commented on how attractive they were. This has definately reached stalking and I must stop.)

[Buzzard]

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THIS VIDEO MAKES ME SO MAD!

Dragging those little children to a place where others have so little, only so you can hand out pamphlets. Those people dont need the "word of god," they need better building supplies, clean water, and farm machinery. They've dont just fine without your "book" and forcing your beliefs on them gives no respect for their culture or history.

As for the pic of the burned bus. "Where are they now?" They're dead. I refuse to believe that Jebus would deny any of his "children" a place in whatever christian heaven awaits simply because the Shraders didnt make it to their isolated village just yet.

How long before Davilla happens to start his own "missionary" trip somewhere?

[NurseNell]

Great, he's learning to fly to prepare for bush flying in Zambia. He will be practicing by flying along the Mexican border, and on Wed this week he will fly into Mexico, and do some preaching there. Hello.......are you hoping to get shot down? You know, drugs and weapons being smuggled? Oh, and pray for you wife because she's due soon. OK. :twisted:

From Facebook:

Would much appreciate your prayers. God has provided an amazing opportunity with a missionary bush pilot to begin my flight training. Here we are doing a preflight inspection of the bush plane before taking off this morning. I flew 3.5 hours today down to the border of Mexico. We will do more basics tomorrow before flying into Mexico on Wed. This pilot is very skilled at the exact kind of flying we will be doing in Zambia. I will also have several opportunities to preach while down in Mexico, so this is a tremendous opportunity. Please pray for safety, that I grasp things quickly, and for God's power while preaching. Also would appreciate prayer for my sweet wife as she is due the 19th. Thanks prayer partners, we love and appreciate each of you more than you know.

[Buzzard]

Great, he's learning to fly to prepare for bush flying in Zambia. He will be practicing by flying along the Mexican border, and on Wed this week he will fly into Mexico, and do some preaching there. Hello.......are you hoping to get shot down? You know, drugs and weapons being smuggled? Oh, and pray for you wife because she's due soon. OK. :twisted:

From Facebook:

Wait, "pre flight inspection of the bush plane???" They're going to fly that POS to ZAMBIA? Is that even possible? Please tell me he isnt putting his children in that thing!

Please pray for safety, that I grasp things quickly, and for God's power while preaching.

No. I pray that you change your fucking mind, send your kids to school, and donate whatever money you have raised to a legitimate charity that can dig wells and bring medicine to the people you claim to be helping.

[ILoveJellybeans]

Hopefully they are going to get a real plane to Zambia and not fly there themselves.

Preaching doesnt help anyone, they should actually go and do some real work, like helping the people get clean food, water and medicine. It seems their attitude is "Theyre still going to die, but at least theyre not going to hell" instead of actually doing something to help people.

Shouldnt he be doing something to help his own family...like getting a real job so he can afford a house for his pregnant wife and 7 kids.

[NurseNell]

Wait, "pre flight inspection of the bush plane???" They're going to fly that POS to ZAMBIA? Is that even possible? Please tell me he isnt putting his children in that thing!

No, it's the same kind of plane he'll have in Zambia. I don't know if he should be piloting a plane given he FELL ASLEEP at the wheel and totaled the family van in January. He was alone in the van.

[NurseNell]

Hopefully they are going to get a real plane to Zambia and not fly there themselves.

Preaching doesnt help anyone, they should actually go and do some real work, like helping the people get clean food, water and medicine. It seems their attitude is "Theyre still going to die, but at least theyre not going to hell" instead of actually doing something to help people.

Shouldnt he be doing something to help his own family...like getting a real job so he can afford a house for his pregnant wife and 7 kids.

Catholic missionaries tend to preach less and do practical things like build hospitals, take care of the sick, teach skills.

The baby who is due soon is #9 according to his FB page. They've been married 11 years.

ETA: oops, this baby will be #8: 4 girls, 4 boys. Seems like a good place to stop.