Josh and Anna 56: AMA and Stuck in Duggarville?

[JermajestyDuggar]

It’s so weird that there’s a word for not having sex before. It just shows how much focus has always been on sex. Why isn’t there a word for never breaking a bone? Welp! I lost my bone virginity! Why isn’t there a word for never driving a car? Never doing a hand stand? Never falling in love? Sorry for the tangent. I’m 40 and the idea of virginity is still so strange to me. 

[SorenaJ]

Prison might be unpleasant if he is in a unit without air conditioning. Does the prison have heating? I imagine winter nights can still be cold, even though it’s Texas. 

[anjulibai]

3 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

It’s so weird that there’s a word for not having sex before. It just shows how much focus has always been on sex. Why isn’t there a word for never breaking a bone? Welp! I lost my bone virginity! Why isn’t there a word for never driving a car? Never doing a hand stand? Never falling in love? Sorry for the tangent. I’m 40 and the idea of virginity is still so strange to me. 

To be fair, it's the primary way we make new people, and the only way for the majority of humanity's history. It's the way we get new animals, too. For people in the past, children were very much an economic investment, so their creation, which was pretty mysterious up until recently, was an important topic. Words are social constructs, and meant to serve social functions. In a society that needs to have language around the production of children, words for not ever having had sex will come about. 

We are just in a strange part of our history where having children is not an economic necessity and we are just beginning to come to grips with that.

 

Edited October 13, 2022 by anjulibai

[Cam]

So many hang ups about being a virgin, keeping your virginity. Men want the virginal woman in the kitchen and the whore in the bedroom—same woman, two different personaities. Societies want women to be pure and want women to view motherhood as the pinnacle of being a female. Having a sexual appetite is frowned on if you’re female. But you damn well better look sexy. You’re only supposed to want sex so you can have kids. Lots of fetishes men have about “taking a woman’s virginity.” Is that a sign of male virility? A certain type of men get off on wanting  to “deflower” a woman. It’s all pretty messed up. 

Edited October 13, 2022 by Cam

[monkeyrocks71]

On 10/12/2022 at 1:17 PM, Satan'sFortress said:

I'm interested in the idea that Josh may actually be relieved to be living in prison. I can see this in theory for a lot of people---anyone have any experience with this? Or has this ever been studied? Genuinely curious.

Not Josh's situation, but, when I was a kid in upstate NY, it was known that some of the homeless people in the area would commit lesser crimes in order to spend the winter (or at least part of it)  in jail.  They'd have shelter, warm meals, etc.

[purple_summer]

The post-wedding pictures aren’t what I remember most. On the honeymoon episode they had an opportunity to spend the night at the aquarium. Not the most glamorous thing, but sleeping with the sharks (in a safe, controlled environment!) would be a pretty cool memory to have with someone you love. Josh basically decided almost immediately that it wasn’t going to happen because there was a “big comfy bed” at their rental *wink wink*🤢

[JMO]

I seem to remember Anna being pretty into going back to their rental as well. 

[Father Son Holy Goat]

47 minutes ago, purple_summer said:

The post-wedding pictures aren’t what I remember most. On the honeymoon episode they had an opportunity to spend the night at the aquarium. Not the most glamorous thing, but sleeping with the sharks (in a safe, controlled environment!) would be a pretty cool memory to have with someone you love. Josh basically decided almost immediately that it wasn’t going to happen because there was a “big comfy bed” at their rental *wink wink*🤢

I remember that. To be fair, the floor didn’t look comfortable 

[marmalade]

7 minutes ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

I remember that. To be fair, the floor didn’t look comfortable 

Yeah, that was the excuse they gave for bailing.

[Melissa1977]

2 hours ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

I remember that. To be fair, the floor didn’t look comfortable 

They were 20 year old. All floors are comfortable at that age, haha.

 

2 hours ago, JMO said:

I seem to remember Anna being pretty into going back to their rental as well. 

Anna was thrilled about sex, it was so evident. I may have been an arranged marriage but in no way it was a forced marriage or a traumatizing wedding. The courtship, honeymoon and newlyweds videos showed an amazed, proud Anna.

[Lista]

2 hours ago, Melissa1977 said:

They were 20 year old. All floors are comfortable at that age, haha.

Right?? I would’ve slept on rocks at that age.  Not with josh tho   Ack  

 

[BlessingsVonFundiePants]

15 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

It’s so weird that there’s a word for not having sex before. It just shows how much focus has always been on sex. Why isn’t there a word for never breaking a bone? Welp! I lost my bone virginity! Why isn’t there a word for never driving a car? Never doing a hand stand? Never falling in love? Sorry for the tangent. I’m 40 and the idea of virginity is still so strange to me. 

I vote we ditch the concept entirely and in all things be classed as “initiated” and “uninitiated”. Going forward i am driving initiated, sexually initiated, and (fortunately) uninitiated in fractures. 

[Cam]

17 hours ago, Maggie Mae said:

Josh might might do well in jail, as he was basically raised in an institution. He won't be bothered by the lack of privacy, it will be like his childhood. The routine, very similar to his childhood. Having access to things other inmates don't have access to due to his money/family/fame allows him to feel some power that he doesn't really deserve, just like when he was a kid who got special privileges for being first born. 

He doesn't seem to really care about his family, so he won't miss them. There won't be little kids around annoying him as they have his entire life. The food won't be a huge change for him, and it is served at regular, predictable intervals. There are classes (sometimes), and books (sometimes). 

 

Yes, but won’t he miss having sex? 

I thought the word recidivism is used to describe repeat offenders. That many reoffend so they can be placed back into jail/prison because the structure around being incarcerated helps them to function, I thought was described as being institutionalized. I was a police dispatcher for a couple years, dealing with jails not prison. Plenty of repeat offenders in a not that large of a city; these behaviors were common. Becoming institutionalized can also describe patients in psychiatric hospitals, which I know something about due to a close family member with mental health issues. 
 

21 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

My son the inmate is a model prisoner whenever he is in jail….

…..He has "cell buddies" and they teach each other how to game the system. They look at new inmates and call people, me included, to look them up to find out the charges new people have against them. There's a definite hierarchy.

 

Your comment about cell buddies asking family and friends on the outside to look up new prisoners’ offenses made me think about Josh’s fellow inmates doing the same. The notoriety of his crimes and his “famous” family had to spread like wildfire in prison since there was a lot of media coverage that a quick google search would reveal. 

Edited October 14, 2022 by Cam

[gustava]

NYT has a long article about an incident at Seagoville.  Because it's behind paywall, I'm posting only this paragraph which suggests that there might be some issues there:

Judge Roy B. Dalton Jr. of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida held the Federal Bureau of Prisons and Kristi Zook, the warden of the low-security prison in Seagoville, Texas, in civil contempt of previous court orders intended to ensure the humane treatment of Frederick Mervin Bardell.  (a sex offender)

Edited October 14, 2022 by gustava
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[Anne Of Gray Gables]

1 hour ago, gustava said:

NYT has a long article about an incident at Seagoville.  Because it's behind paywall, I'm posting only this paragraph which suggests that there might be some issues there:

Judge Roy B. Dalton Jr. of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida held the Federal Bureau of Prisons and Kristi Zook, the warden of the low-security prison in Seagoville, Texas, in civil contempt of previous court orders intended to ensure the humane treatment of Frederick Mervin Bardell.  (a sex offender)

Looks like it was over a compassionate release issue and allegations that his cancer wasn't treated.

https://prisonprofessors.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Binder1-1.pdf

But I don't think any prison officials or COs will be causing Josh any undue distress, not with Hello! and InTouch reporting whatever they can find out about him. As for Josh enjoying prison life, enjoy is probably too strong a word, but he's probably doing much better than most. All of the pressures of real life are gone and he probably has or will develop some sort of social life amongst his comrade sleazebags. But I'm sure he'll miss his phone, on demand sex, fast food, and the endless rivers of pornography he was probably constantly swimming in.   

[AussieKrissy]

Their is plenty of sex in Gaol. It’s super common, if he wants it. It will be readily available. 

[Father Son Holy Goat]

21 minutes ago, AussieKrissy said:

Their is plenty of sex in Gaol. It’s super common, if he wants it. It will be readily available. 

I wonder if Josh would engage in gay sex and if he did what would be the response from the Duggar borg. 

[Giraffe]

15 minutes ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

I wonder if Josh would engage in gay sex and if he did what would be the response from the Duggar borg. 

He'll never tell them and JB & Michelle will tell themselves he would never even consider it. 

Edited October 15, 2022 by Giraffe

[Pecansforeveryone]

I am strongly of the belief that if Josh had molested his brothers instead of his sisters JB and Michelle would have sent him away to an IFB boarding school for years. While they sin level all day, they don't hesitate to demonize some "sins" above others. 

[Father Son Holy Goat]

1 hour ago, Pecansforeveryone said:

I am strongly of the belief that if Josh had molested his brothers instead of his sisters JB and Michelle would have sent him away to an IFB boarding school for years. While they sin level all day, they don't hesitate to demonize some "sins" above others. 

God forbid what would happen to any boy he molested. That poor kid. 

[Letgo]

On 10/13/2022 at 6:56 AM, Four is Enough said:he thrives in jail.

I cannot even imagine that. I don’t doubt the truth of it, I just can’t personally imagine doing well in jail or prison. I’ve thought about Josh since he was convicted and wondered about the culture shock of being incarcerated. I’d be terrified, bored, and really wouldn’t like being confined to a cell. 
I watch shows such as Dateline, 20/20, and 48 Hours and am continually amazed when typical, no criminal history, next door neighbor types commit serious crimes. Why would anyone risk the possibility of being caught, convicted, and confined to prison? The loss of freedom would be so devastating.

I truly do wonder how Josh is coping in prison. Does he miss Anna and the kids? Is he afraid? Bored? Will he work? Take classes and actually get an education? What DOES he do all day? Has he made friends? Is he sorry? Or sorry he got caught? (Voting yes here.) 

[Four is Enough]

8 hours ago, Letgo said:

I cannot even imagine that. I don’t doubt the truth of it, I just can’t personally imagine doing well in jail or prison. 

For my child, having structure imposed upon him keeps him moving forward. He knows what's coming next. Even if he doesn't like it, there is food coming. He has an opportunity to work and make (pennies) money at the place. He has an opportunity to make more money by tattooing the other inmates.. on the sly. He doesn't get into trouble because he knows what's going to happen next. So he's in his cell,  tattoo stuff hidden away, when the doors open for the next thing, whether that's shower time, phone, rec, or what have you.

[Smash!]

@Four is Enough I’m wondering if your son would thrive and be successful in a different environment (if that were to exist). Clearly he’s intelligent and creative when he’s able to game the prison system while at the same behaving like a model prisoner. 

[noseybutt]

Other environments that are hierarchical and highly structured/scheduled would include enlisted military, low level ship crew jobs, and some wild land firefighter units. 

California trains some prisoners to be wild land firefighters and it’s not just because of the need, it’s also the culture. The crews have to live in close quarters in harsh environments, relay on each other, take orders from superiors, etc.

[Father Son Holy Goat]

22 hours ago, Letgo said:

 

I truly do wonder how Josh is coping in prison. Does he miss Anna and the kids? Is he afraid? Bored? Will he work? Take classes and actually get an education? What DOES he do all day? Has he made friends? Is he sorry? Or sorry he got caught? (Voting yes here.) 

I hope Josh is using the time to get education and broaden his horizons. He too was a victim of Jim Bob and Michelle; anything constructive he does to get back at them I’m here for it.

However I doubt he is using his time constructively.