2020 Election Fallout 13: Sedition And Arrests

[JanasTattooParlor]

13 hours ago, Ozlsn said:

Same. Like, I signed a contract as a 15 year old working after school in a supermarket chain. And that was a (at the time) closed shop union workplace (I also joined the union as part of the contract, the union then represented me in wages and terms bargaining.) Almost every job I have had since then has had a contract, whether it was ongoing, fixed term, casual, full time, part time, whatever. I hadn't even realised that I was even assuming that most jobs had contracts until now.

 

I hadn’t realized that most jobs didn’t have contracts either. I never worked a job in high school, but my jobs through my college and now my teaching job all come with contracts. With teaching, I have to sign a contract every year agreeing to stay on another year that also allows my school to change what classes I’m teaching at any time, but that’s pretty standard for teaching contracts. My husband does data engineering for a government contractor so his job requires contracts as well. I work in a no union state, but it really never occurred to me that people weren’t protected in some way through a contract. I’m glad FJ exists because sometimes I really don’t realize the bubble I grew up in until I read about other people's circumstances. 

[clueliss]

Native Kansan who moved to Missouri 10 years ago.

Kansas is a right to work state.  Aside from say teacher's unions, most jobs there don't have 'contracts.'  In fact I've never worked in either state under a contract.  Even in my present job as a salaried employee in a union plant, I'm still considered 'at will.'  I was an hourly employee when I worked for 7+ years in KCMO in a union facility as what was called the 'staff group' as an 'at will' employee.  Which means they can terminate you or you can leave at any time. 

[fraurosena]

3 hours ago, clueliss said:

Native Kansan who moved to Missouri 10 years ago.

Kansas is a right to work state.  Aside from say teacher's unions, most jobs there don't have 'contracts.'  In fact I've never worked in either state under a contract.  Even in my present job as a salaried employee in a union plant, I'm still considered 'at will.'  I was an hourly employee when I worked for 7+ years in KCMO in a union facility as what was called the 'staff group' as an 'at will' employee.  Which means they can terminate you or you can leave at any time. 

What I wonder is how the 'secondary work requirements' are settled then. Like how many vacation days you get, how much travel expenses, what the pension plans are, and the healthcare plans (if you wish to participate), if there are other benefits, such as saving vacation days to buy bikes or other amenities, and if applicable, what your percentage of the profit margins is per year.

But, what am I thinking? You probably don't get all this, do you? I keep forgetting I live in this extremely leftwing socialist country... where, by the way, since 1982 a leftwing political majority cabinet has ruled the country for a grand total of 8 years -- and that was back in the 90s. 

[Coconut Flan]

Vacation days, travel expenses,  health insurance, etc. are set by the company and you know what they are before you take the job.  Some places have  profit sharing and some don't.  Saving vacation days to buy bikes is one benefit I've never heard about anywhere.  How does that work?

[clueliss]

3 hours ago, fraurosena said:

What I wonder is how the 'secondary work requirements' are settled then. Like how many vacation days you get, how much travel expenses, what the pension plans are, and the healthcare plans (if you wish to participate), if there are other benefits, such as saving vacation days to buy bikes or other amenities, and if applicable, what your percentage of the profit margins is per year.

But, what am I thinking? You probably don't get all this, do you? I keep forgetting I live in this extremely leftwing socialist country... where, by the way, since 1982 a leftwing political majority cabinet has ruled the country for a grand total of 8 years -- and that was back in the 90s. 

Vacation/sick pay is fairly straightforward.  Meaning the company has a policy about these things.  It is covered during the interview process.  Although to be honest, I've found if you are a salaried employee and use a headhunter (Recruiter) then you can negotiate for say an extra week of vacation than is typically offered. 

I've never heard of saving vacation days to buy bikes.  I did work for one employer that after you'd been with the company for a long time and had built up to something like 4 weeks of vacation you could 'sell' a week back to the company or conversely 'buy' a week (via benefits and taken out of your pay) a week of vacation if you wanted more.  Never knew people who did that though). 

[47of74]

Sure lady, whatever

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A Pennsylvania mother of eight who gave instructions for storming the U.S. Capitol building through a bullhorn has been arrested.

Rachel Marie Powell, 40, was captured in numerous social media photos and videos on the day of the Jan. 6 insurrection attempting to gain entry into the Capitol. As thousands of Trump supporters pushed forward and attempted to breach the building, Powell was “clearly seen speaking through a bullhorn and giving very detailed instructions about the layout of the Capitol building,” according to charging documents released Friday.

“I was not part of a plot — organized, whatever,” Powell, who spoke from an undisclosed location, told Farrow in a Feb. 2 profile. “I have no military background ... I’m a mom with eight kids. That’s it. I work. And I garden. And raise chickens. And sell cheese at a farmers’ market.” 

Powell turned herself in to the FBI in New Castle on Thursday night, WPXI reported.

 

[Ozlsn]

49 minutes ago, Coconut Flan said:

Vacation days, travel expenses,  health insurance, etc. are set by the company and you know what they are before you take the job.  Some places have  profit sharing and some don't.  Saving vacation days to buy bikes is one benefit I've never heard about anywhere.  How does that work?

Do they pay out unused vacation leave if you are terminated? Can you accrue leave over a longer period than a year? 

I think because of the way wages and conditions were determined for a really long time (combination of unions, employers and government) there is a lot of consistency in conditions between ongoing jobs - four weeks notice from both sides is pretty common (exceptions in cases where there has been illegal activity, then it's with immediate effect). Casual jobs are different (paid at a higher rate to make up for the lack of permanency and conditions), and that is one reason there has been an increase in casualisation of the workforce.

We also don't have the bikes thing, although I suspect we probably have similar but different schemes.

[Ozlsn]

51 minutes ago, clueliss said:

conversely 'buy' a week (via benefits and taken out of your pay) a week of vacation if you wanted more.  Never knew people who did that though). 

That one is pretty common here in large organisations here - it mostly works as you are paid at a lower rate and then take additional leave. There are conditions around it (for my husband's work you need to have under a certain amount of available leave (vacation+long service) to be eligible, and you still need to book the leave in which can be a bit dependent on staffing requirements) but certainly it's not uncommon for parents to do it to cover some of the school holiday period. My husband did it for the first year our son was at school and I went back to work - I had no leave so it worked well. 

[GreyhoundFan]

31 minutes ago, Ozlsn said:

Do they pay out unused vacation leave if you are terminated? Can you accrue leave over a longer period than a year? 

 

Every place I've ever worked, you do receive a lump sum for vacation/paid time off if you are terminated or leave the company. Sadly, it's taxed differently, so you don't get the full amount.  The places I've worked that have separate sick leave have been a mixed bag -- some pay out, some don't, and some pay a percentage up to a cap.

When I worked for the state, I could carry over a large amount of vacation time from year to year. When I left to go into private industry, the company I was with only allowed us to carry over a few days of leave from year to year. Then, we were bought by another company which didn't allow any carryover. Any leave remaining on December 31st was forfeited. We were then bought by another company that has rolling maximum accrual rates. So, because I have over 21 years (they count the time I worked in the company they purchased), I can have 229 hours of paid time off on the books. If I hit that number, I stop earning PTO until I take some.

[clueliss]

My current employer doesn't allow carryover.  My prior employer right before this - you accrued time throughout the year (each quarter) and could carryover a certain amount but at any point you went over, you lost the amount of vacation time over your 'max' (so many of us did a one or two quarter out planning of how much vacation time you needed to take so you didn't lose).

Also my current employer pro-rates how much vacation you receive if you leave the company.  And yes, I believe you can end up owing the company if you take more vacation time than said allocation equals. 

[Ozlsn]

55 minutes ago, 47of74 said:

Powell was “clearly seen speaking through a bullhorn and giving very detailed instructions about the layout of the Capitol building,” according to charging documents released Friday.

Can't wait until she rolls and says where she got those detailed layouts from.

And yes, I have no doubt she'll roll because the time she'd be looking at is pretty hard.

Quite from article:

"In a video obtained by the FBI, Powell can be heard saying that she had already been inside the Capitol, and said that she and other insurrectionists should “coordinate together if you are going to take this building” and that they “have another window to break,” charging documents reveal. "

Yeah, she can get done as an organiser, or she can roll and give up people. My money's on the latter.

Edited February 5, 2021 by Ozlsn

[47of74]

34 minutes ago, Ozlsn said:

Can't wait until she rolls and says where she got those detailed layouts from.

And yes, I have no doubt she'll roll because the time she'd be looking at is pretty hard.

Quite from article:

"In a video obtained by the FBI, Powell can be heard saying that she had already been inside the Capitol, and said that she and other insurrectionists should “coordinate together if you are going to take this building” and that they “have another window to break,” charging documents reveal. "

Yeah, she can get done as an organiser, or she can roll and give up people. My money's on the latter.

That's why I was like yeah sure lady.  I wonder if she was one of the people who got the nice tour from a GOP Congressional Traitor prior to the attack?  Or if they had sent her the layouts?  

I hope it's a matter of look lady you can roll on your pals and be looking at 10 years in the joint with reasonable post sentence supervision, or you can refuse and be doing 30 to 40 years in the can with extremely restrictive supervision after you leave.  In which case she wouldn't be getting out in time for any graduations, weddings, etc and even if she does get out in time to see a child or grandchild's supervision supervision's gonna be a lot harder than you and she might not be allowed to go.  She'd be the only granny with a GPS implant at the wedding.   

Edited February 5, 2021 by 47of74

[AmazonGrace]

 

[clueliss]

Missouri Man (yeah, I saw that coming, I’ve witnessed the attitudes here)

 

[AmazonGrace]

 

[Howl]

23 hours ago, Coconut Flan said:

Saving vacation days to buy bikes is one benefit I've never heard about anywhere.  How does that work?

Cyclist here: how DOES that work?   

Awhile back one of my husband's fellow mountain bike racers retired and got his doc to write him a prescription for a bicycle as part of a health-promoting exercise regimen, which meant he did not have to pay TX sales tax. It was a $10,000 bike, so the savings were significant.  That said, he's now in his 80s and still racing that same bike, so good investment.  Perhaps the tax break was related to a MediCare benefit for exercise equipment, but I just don't know. 

But back to the topic at hand.  Great that these jackwagons are being charged and arrested, but getting them convicted is next. 

I'm having flashbacks to the Feds making a terrible mess with the Bundys related to the occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge. However they charged them, it made no sense to the jury and all of the Bundys walked.  Various other occupiers pled out and served varying amounts of time. I'm not sure if any of the others went to trial.  

Edited February 6, 2021 by Howl

[47of74]

Bit of good news today.  Went to the local farm/western/etc department store and the MeinPilliow display that used to be up at the front is gone.  Walked around a  bit and I didn't see any MeinPillows being sold in the store. 

Good.  I rather like that store and a lot of my wardrobe comes from there. 

They cater mainly to more conservative crowd than Bed Bath and Beyond or Kohls do but I guess they don't want to be seeing as supporting terrorists either. 

[Black Aliss]

On 2/4/2021 at 1:50 PM, Coconut Flan said:

We don't use contracts as an employment vehicle a lot of the time in the US.  Some jobs are unionized and the union holds a contract with the firm or industry.  Many 49 states (Montana is the exception) have "at will" employment where you accept a job under the provisos the employer lays out and employees can be let go at any time.  

FTFY

In most states public employees are not subject to at-will employment. But DC is not a state.

source: https://www.betterteam.com/at-will-employment#:~:text=At-Will Employment States%3A,do not allow any exceptions.

In conclusion:

On 2/4/2021 at 2:03 PM, fraurosena said:

I.. I... I'm at a loss for words. No contracts? What?! That's insane...

Everybody gets a contract in my country. Literally every employee, no matter the status, no matter the job (unless it's summer farm work - which is done by teenagers for a couple of weeks to earn a quick extra buck). Even kids with part time after school work for a couple of hours a week at grocery stores have contracts. Even temps have contracts. 

You guys are really screwed over. Sideways with a long, thick pole.  

No kidding. And to think  before 1993 I was eligible for Dutch citizenship based on my grandparents having been born there. Yes, I kick myself on a regular basis.

[Black Aliss]

On 2/5/2021 at 12:04 PM, Coconut Flan said:

Vacation days, travel expenses,  health insurance, etc. are set by the company and you know what they are before you take the job.  Some places have  profit sharing and some don't.  Saving vacation days to buy bikes is one benefit I've never heard about anywhere.  How does that work?

At my last place of employment there was a "wellness benefit" that covered membership in a couple of low-end fitness centers, or you could use the purported value of that benefit to purchase fitness equipment, such as a bicycle, or XC skis and be reimbursed.

[fraurosena]

12 hours ago, Howl said:

Cyclist here: how DOES that work? 

We get a lot of vacation days per year. Some of us (me included) don’t take enough time off and have a lot of hours left at the end of the year. Because we are only allowed to take 80 hours over to the next year, you can do one of three things with the hours you might otherwise ‘lose’:

1. You take the time off at the end of the year

2. You exchange hours for pay (not smart as that pay is taxed as income)

3. You buy a bicycle using the hours worth of pay (no taxation)

The university I work for also has an option for a fiscal exchange from travel expenses, which means you can buy a bike for up to 2000 euros (it’s slightly higher but I’m not sure of the exact amount) using this exchange (I am no fiscal expert and I really don’t know exactly how it works) if you use the the bike for home-work travel for a minimum of three quarters of the time.

 I also have the option to use the university’s sports program’s gym facilities after hours, and if available a trainer will assist me if I want.

I can also get a reduction on tickets for me and a partner for theater shows and movies shown at the university’s theater (none are mainstream, but some are quite good nonetheless). With Covid restrictions in place for the past year there hasn’t been a chance to make use of this though. 

This last option is far from common though.

Edited February 7, 2021 by fraurosena
Autocorrect fail

[AmazonGrace]

 

[47of74]

Fornicating pig

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A New Hampshire man who admitted to storming the U.S. Capitol last month and chugging wine that he found in a lawmaker's office now faces federal charges.

Jason Riddle, is charged with knowingly entering a restricted building, violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, and theft of government property, according to a criminal complaint filed Friday in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

Last month, Riddle detailed his experiences on Jan. 6 at the Capitol in an interview with NBC 10 Boston. The supporter of former President Donald Trump said he has no regrets about joining the mob that entered the Capitol, but criticized those who committed acts of vandalism and violence.

While inside the building he found a liquor cabinet inside a lawmaker's office and helped himself to some wine.

And a hypocrite too I see.

[fraurosena]

27 minutes ago, 47of74 said:

Jason Riddle, is charged with knowingly entering a restricted building, violent entry and disorderly conduct

Is his brother named Tom, by any chance?

[Howl]

Marcy Wheeler, who blogs at EmptyWheel.net, goes into some details about which insurrectionists are being charged under which statutes and why: 

THE SELFIE COPS: OBSTRUCTING AN OFFICIAL PROCEEDING

Lots of other excellent topics on this blog.  The comments on this blog are carefully moderated, thoughtful and worth a read in their own right. 

[GreyhoundFan]

Johnson is a perfect example of how repugs are incapable of thought. They just like to spew crap, no matter how little sense said crap makes.