Dillards 88: 'Cause We're Living in a World of Fools

[louisa05]

26 minutes ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

We have no knowledge that Jill had gestational diabetes. It's possible she just had big babies. Jill is the same size as Jana and JD in the pictures where she is little and Derrick is tall. It's possible it's just genetic. 

A friend of mine has 7 kids. Two sets of twins--all four babies over 6.5 lbs. Of the other three, two were close to ten pounds and the third was just short of nine. No gestational diabetes. She just has big babies. 

And she had five C-sections without complications. Probably not a good idea, but can be done without complications. 

My aunt's last of six babies (all boys) was 12 lbs, 11 oz. She and baby were perfectly healthy and he was delivered just short of 40 weeks. Bigger babes can be due to gestational diabetes, but not always. 

[SassyPants]

1 minute ago, louisa05 said:

A friend of mine has 7 kids. Two sets of twins--all four babies over 6.5 lbs. Of the other three, two were close to ten pounds and the third was just short of nine. No gestational diabetes. She just has big babies. 

And she had five C-sections without complications. Probably not a good idea, but can be done without complications. 

My aunt's last of six babies (all boys) was 12 lbs, 11 oz. She and baby were perfectly healthy and he was delivered just short of 40 weeks. Bigger babes can be due to gestational diabetes, but not always. 

Wearing my Neonatal Nurse hat...most large for gestational age (over 9 lbs) are the result of Gestational Diabetes, so much so, that all babies greater than 8.9 lbs are screened for such at birth. Most babies are given one test for blood sugar, while larger babies are given several over a period of time after birth as they often experience hypoglycemia as their glucose source is cut off.

[GuineaPigCourtship]

I had great prenatal care, no gestational diabetes (confirmed postpartum with testing her). My baby was 9lbs 6oz and went from head down on ultrasound at the start of induction to transverse, requiring a csection. She did fine during labor so it was not considered an emergency. Just a big, stubborn baby. Sometimes shit happens. My husband was a very big baby, almost 11lbs.

[JillsFlowerHeadband]

1 hour ago, GuineaPigCourtship said:

I had great prenatal care, no gestational diabetes (confirmed postpartum with testing her). My baby was 9lbs 6oz and went from head down on ultrasound at the start of induction to transverse, requiring a csection. She did fine during labor so it was not considered an emergency. Just a big, stubborn baby. Sometimes shit happens. My husband was a very big baby, almost 11lbs.

All three of mine were big babies and no gestational diabetes here either (confirmed with postpartum testing as yours were). I was a big baby myself too, as were both my ex and current husbands. We’re all just a bunch of big babies who grew up to produce big babies, I guess. ?

[J'Lurker]

I was 6 lb 8 oz, but the baby boys on either side of me in the nursery were almost 14 lbs (according to my mom). We were just talking about how they probably had gestational diabetes. 

[adidas]

I had one whopping big lardarse chunker and one skinned rabbit. I did nothing different in my pregnancies - one was just biiiiig and the other tiny. As adults they are the same, one is super tall and solid, the other is short and scrawny. I think it’s just *them*.

[SassyPants]

6 hours ago, adidas said:

I had one whopping big lardarse chunker and one skinned rabbit. I did nothing different in my pregnancies - one was just biiiiig and the other tiny. As adults they are the same, one is super tall and solid, the other is short and scrawny. I think it’s just *them*.

My teeny tiny niece just had baby #2. Her first, a boy, weighed 7 even at term. Her second, a girl, weighed 9 lbs. Her husband is a big guy, like 6-8”-

[SassyPants]

In terms of the Duggars, because that is who we are talking about, other than Jessa that Michelle has mentioned being almost 9 lb, and also that she ate a candy bar every day while PG, and Jenny who also weighed 8 lbs, in a there a history of large babies? Also, since the girls have become more self aware, the baby sizes have decreased for each( Jill aside).

[HeartsAFundie]

My son was 23 inches long and 10 lbs. 15 oz. at birth.  The three questions I was asked by people were: 1. Did you have gestational diabetes? 2. Did you have a c-section? 3.  Is your husband a big guy?  Answers: no, no and no.  I was tested twice for gestational diabetes in my pregnancy and came up negative.  No cesarean-he was delivered vaginally with forceps assistance.  My husband is only 5'6" and the most he ever weighed in his life was 168 pounds.  And my son, for being such a big baby at birth, is now 25, only 5'6" himself, just cracked 130 pounds and still wears a boys' size 18-20 in clothes.  You just never know.       

Edited April 8, 2021 by HeartsAFundie

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

17 hours ago, JillsFlowerHeadband said:

All three of mine were big babies and no gestational diabetes here either (confirmed with postpartum testing as yours were). I was a big baby myself too, as were both my ex and current husbands. We’re all just a bunch of big babies who grew up to produce big babies, I guess. ?

That was my sister. She was my mom's biggest baby (10lb 3oz) and she grew up to be a fairly tall woman at 5ft 10in. Her only son was her largest baby at 10lb 5oz. The nurses in the hospital kept checking his blood sugar levels to be safe, but he never had any problem. He just wanted to sleep and eat! He has grown up to be over 6ft tall.

All my sister's kids are tall adults who tower over me. Pre-Covid, I always felt Lilliputian after family get togethers!  I'll be glad to get that feeling again when we can all be together again.

[Knight of Ni]

On 4/7/2021 at 5:58 PM, SassyPants said:

Wearing my Neonatal Nurse hat...most large for gestational age (over 9 lbs) are the result of Gestational Diabetes, so much so, that all babies greater than 8.9 lbs are screened for such at birth. Most babies are given one test for blood sugar, while larger babies are given several over a period of time after birth as they often experience hypoglycemia as their glucose source is cut off.

I have a question for you. I failed the one hour glucose test for both of my pregnancies. They were within 2-3 points but still a fail so I had to do the three hour glucose test. My fasting blood sugar for both was in the low 80s. My question is why did I fail the one hour but do so well on the three hour? The answer the PA gave was "sometimes it just happens." but that doesn't really satisfy me.

[SassyPants]

20 minutes ago, Knight of Ni said:

I have a question for you. I failed the one hour glucose test for both of my pregnancies. They were within 2-3 points but still a fail so I had to do the three hour glucose test. My fasting blood sugar for both was in the low 80s. My question is why did I fail the one hour but do so well on the three hour? The answer the PA gave was "sometimes it just happens." but that doesn't really satisfy me.

Just a question. Is there any chance you have sleep apnea? I could see how pregnancy and additional weight could affect the stability of one’s airway. Sleep apnea can cause shifts in Bld glucose, but that would not explain why you seemingly fail 1 test and pass the other. Maybe the solution given for the 3 hour test is  slightly different and you metabolize it better? It’s likely that it’s because you just barely meet criteria for additional testing.

[JinAndBonnets]

3 hours ago, Knight of Ni said:

I have a question for you. I failed the one hour glucose test for both of my pregnancies. They were within 2-3 points but still a fail so I had to do the three hour glucose test. My fasting blood sugar for both was in the low 80s. My question is why did I fail the one hour but do so well on the three hour? The answer the PA gave was "sometimes it just happens." but that doesn't really satisfy me.

The one hour is not fasting and is a smaller glucose load than the three hour. The one hour is just a screen and the three hour is diagnostic. The screen has what’s called a high sensitivity. This means people who don’t have gestational diabetes might fail the test (false positives) but that we will have a low rate of people who pass the test who actually do have gestational diabetes (low false negative rate). Sometime people will fail the one hour because they have a sugary coffee or breakfast before the test, which when combined with the 50g glucose drink puts them over the screen threshold. 

[slp]

I’ve had seven babies (recovering quiverfull fundamentalist) and had gestational diabetes with one and he was not even my biggest child. I had a 9 lb baby #4, and #5 I tested positive for GD.  Had a crappy dr who scared the sh*t out of me saying my babies would get bigger and bigger and I should induce early. He also insisted that midwives are incompetent ( had a licensed CNM) and the one  for #4 was  incorrect on my glucose test bc “ no one has babies over 8 lbs unless they have GD”. ?I’m small and that 9 lb #4 was rough, so I agreed. He weighed 7 lb 12 oz.  He was 10 days early. My next two I found a better dr and they were both smaller, and on time.  #6 was 7 lb 8 oz and #7 was 7 lb 3 oz. my three before the 9 lb baby were 5 lb 12 oz, 8 lb 3 oz, and 8 lb 6 oz.  the dr for baby #5 took my positive for the one hour and made it a diagnosis instead of doing the 3 hr. I had no clue he was supposed to do a 3 hr until later.  I was perfectly healthy though all pregnancies and all a babies born healthy. 
 

 

[JinAndBonnets]

1 hour ago, slp said:

I’ve had seven babies (recovering quiverfull fundamentalist) and had gestational diabetes with one and he was not even my biggest child. I had a 9 lb baby #4, and #5 I tested positive for GD.  Had a crappy dr who scared the sh*t out of me saying my babies would get bigger and bigger and I should induce early. He also insisted that midwives are incompetent ( had a licensed CNM) and the one  for #4 was  incorrect on my glucose test bc “ no one has babies over 8 lbs unless they have GD”. ?I’m small and that 9 lb #4 was rough, so I agreed. He weighed 7 lb 12 oz.  He was 10 days early. My next two I found a better dr and they were both smaller, and on time.  #6 was 7 lb 8 oz and #7 was 7 lb 3 oz. my three before the 9 lb baby were 5 lb 12 oz, 8 lb 3 oz, and 8 lb 6 oz.  the dr for baby #5 took my positive for the one hour and made it a diagnosis instead of doing the 3 hr. I had no clue he was supposed to do a 3 hr until later.  I was perfectly healthy though all pregnancies and all a babies born healthy. 
 

 

We do sometimes skip the three hour if the 1 hour is very elevated, greater than 190-200 usually.

[JermajestyDuggar]

My sister’s son was almost 10lbs. But he’s now 6’10” so it makes sense. We are all tall in my family. My youngest son was very close to 9lbs and they tested his glucose after birth. He was fine. My boys are just tall kids. We are like the Baird family. That’s literally the only thing I have in common with the Girl Defined ladies. 

[slp]

5 hours ago, JinAndBonnets said:

We do sometimes skip the three hour if the 1 hour is very elevated, greater than 190-200 usually.

Yes but mine was 145 and he was freaking out really bc of my precious 9 lb baby and in that pregnancy my midwife did the one hour and I passed with flying colors. 

[Vivi_music]

My mother had gestational diabetes when she was pregnant with my sister. I won't get into the details but it was not diagnosed nor monitored by her ob/gyn during the pregnancy and my sister ended up being 10lb. The birth was very difficult. Because it was a bigger baby, my mother had a hard time pushing and the baby's heart stopped while the labour was still going. My sister had to be taking out with forceps and basically failed at the Apgar score. Luckily they were able to make her heart start again with the defibrillator. Do not worry. She was fine in the long run. She is now a perfectly healthy woman, a wonderful great sister, who became a mother herself 3 years ago.

Anywho, with that very traumatizing experience, my mom changed ob/gyn (and hospital) when she got pregnant with me. She ended up with gestational diabetes as well during that pregnancy. Because of her history, it was decided she would be on insulin and followed as a high risk pregnancy. I ended up being a very average weight at birth and the delivery went perfectly. I think it was 7lb. I might be ignorant on that subjet so maybe someone can answer me. I guess my question is, if gestional diabetes is monitored well by (competent) doctors, I suppose it can have little to no effect on the baby?

EDIT to add a PS: My aunt was so mad after what happened to my mother during that birth. She wanted to sue the doctor and the hospital like CRAZY. She stills talks about it 35 years later. ??

Edited April 11, 2021 by Vivi_music

[louisa05]

15 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

My sister’s son was almost 10lbs. But he’s now 6’10” so it makes sense. We are all tall in my family. My youngest son was very close to 9lbs and they tested his glucose after birth. He was fine. My boys are just tall kids. We are like the Baird family. That’s literally the only thing I have in common with the Girl Defined ladies. 

My aunt’s nearly 13 lb’er grew up to be a scholarship linebacker.  Aunt was 6’ tall. Her 6 boys range from 6’2” to 6’10”. My 6’5” brother is on the shorter end if you line up the 9 grandsons. The one with CF (which stunts growth) was only a hair shorter than my brother. And I’m tied for shortest grandchild of 14. I’m 5’7”.  
And my husband’s family is short. He’s considered tall at 5’9”. 
 

 

[justmy2cents]

50 minutes ago, Vivi_music said:

my question is, if gestional diabetes is monitored well by (competent) doctors, I suppose it can have little to no effect on the baby?

My sister had Gestational Diabetes with my niece. She was very strict with her diet after the diagnosis, greatly limiting her carbs. She ended up not gaining any weight in the 3rd trimester and my niece was born around 38 weeks weighing 5 lb 9 oz.  She was relieved not to need Insulin. Not sure if this is common with GD.

ETA: small babies run in the family. My sister was 5 lb 6 oz, my nephew 5 lb 12 oz at around 39 wk gestation. I was 6 lb 1 oz, and my daughter was 6 lb 5 oz at 39 wk gestation.

Edited April 11, 2021 by justmy2cents

[just_ordinary]

51 minutes ago, Vivi_music said:

My mother had gestational diabetes when she was pregnant with my sister. I won't get into the details but it was not diagnosed nor monitored by her ob/gyn during the pregnancy and my sister ended up being 10lb. The birth was very difficult. Because it was a bigger baby, my mother had a hard time pushing and the baby's heart stopped while the labour was still going. My sister had to be taking out with forceps and basically failed at the Apgar score. Luckily they were able to make her heart start again with the defibrillator. Do not worry. She was fine in the long run. She is now a perfectly healthy woman, a wonderful great sister, who became a mother herself 3 years ago.

Anywho, with that very traumatizing experience, my mom changed ob/gyn (and hospital) when she got pregnant with me. She ended up with gestational diabetes as well during that pregnancy. Because of her history, it was decided she would be on insulin and followed as a high risk pregnancy. I ended up being a very average weight at birth and the delivery went perfectly. I think it was 7lb. I might be ignorant on that subjet so maybe someone can answer me. I guess my question is, if gestional diabetes is monitored well by (competent) doctors, I suppose it can have little to no effect on the baby?

EDIT to add a PS: My aunt was so mad after what happened to my mother during that birth. She wanted to sue the doctor and the hospital like CRAZY. She stills talks about it 35 years later. ??

Yes and no. The biggest risk is your child going into hypoglycaemic shock after birth because it’s producing too much insulin because it had to deal with the high blood sugar (the babies insulin is what makes it big/heavy because the sugar gets packed out of the bloodstream into the cells). Some people are lucky and can monitor their GD with nutrition (under doctors supervision, daily testing and frequent appointments with a doctor specialised in diabetes, the OB will check your data and how the child does). I had an obvious case of GB but my daughter was only 6.1 lbs at full term (she is still very slim and tiny- I was even smaller and lighter at full term and always the smallest in school so I guess genetics. Thankfully a diabetes diet was all it needed.). If nutrition doesn’t work you will be additionally put on insulin and monitored. Some need higher dosages as others and some cannot control it at all. If your child gets too big they will talk about an induction and/or c-section with you. High blood sugar is damaging and brings lots of lasting health problems. Sometimes it it gets harder the further along you are. My numbers were definitely worse around the end even though I didn’t change anything. In any case you are advised to have a screen for diabetes around 3+ months after birth to check if you are ok again or if you actually are diabetic. 

[Tdoc72]

16 hours ago, JinAndBonnets said:

We do sometimes skip the three hour if the 1 hour is very elevated, greater than 190-200 usually.

That happened to me. I failed so bad that they sent me straight to an endocrinologist and I started on insulin immediately.  I was on insulin w/all three pregnancies, controlled the diabetes very well, and had three healthy baby girls. 

[IsmeWeatherwax]

I had untreated/undiagnosed GD with my 4th. Consultant told me to go away and be grateful Im having a healthy baby. 3 midwives weren't interested in my opinion. 4th was a home birth at 10lb 6.5oz tho he was also 68cm long! I was diagnosed with GD 1/5 hour after his birth and a haemorrhage later. *fun fact*   the bigger the baby the bigger the placenta! 

[AussieKrissy]

I saw a grainy photo of a family shoot from the jedding. Doesn’t look like Jill took the boys to the wedding. Do you think this is just covid related to decrease exposure? We don’t  know if it’s filmed so I don’t know about if it’s to keep them from that. 

[Idlewild]

4 hours ago, AussieKrissy said:

I saw a grainy photo of a family shoot from the jedding. Doesn’t look like Jill took the boys to the wedding. Do you think this is just covid related to decrease exposure? We don’t  know if it’s filmed so I don’t know about if it’s to keep them from that. 

It could be or it could be that Israel’s school has protocols in place if children have been to large maskless gatherings.