Dullards 63: Law School Participation Trophy

[louisa05]

Fresh green beans are only available around here for two to three months out of the year. Same with fresh corn. Unless I want to go to damn Whole Foods. But we live on about $45,000 a year and have a mortgage, so I'm not driving 35 minutes to get over priced fresh vegetables all year round. 

When I was growing up, my mom raised a huge vegetable garden every summer. She canned massive amounts of green beans and we ate them all winter. I never would have eaten green beans that were not home grown as a child or teen if it weren't for school lunches. Fresh garden green beans canned at home in Mason jars are actually very good. And if you're being a damn food snob about them, you don't know what you are talking about. 

And you haven't had fresh sweet corn unless you've had farm fresh in  the Midwest. But that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with buying a bag of frozen corn or a can. And for people without a lot of money,  there are times in our stores that you can get canned vegetables three for a dollar. A bag of fresh green beans cost me over $3 earlier this week. 

On the lunch judges: I had a serious illness during the ten years I was at my last full time job. Everyone knew what happened. In the aftermath, I lost a lot of weight--initially three dress sizes. Because of changes in appetite and tastes, when it leveled off, it was a 2 dress size loss that stuck. Instead of understanding that this was from my illness, two women I worked for decided I had an eating disorder. One tried to get me fired for it (I was a bad role model for teen girls), the other took to policing my lunch every day. It was awful. It is nobody's business what anyone else eats. My new food judging experience has been due to my stomach issues. In this lovely time in our culture, if you have any digestive issue whatsoever, the trend followers will preach to you that you MUST give up gluten because it HAS TO BE gluten. I just had lunch with a friend the other day who thinks I need to give up gluten and asked me three times if I was sure I should eat the bread that came with my salad. Never mind that when I had an endoscopy, they did a tissue biopsy for celiac which was negative and I have no symptoms of intolerance. I have an actual professional diagnosis and know what foods I need to avoid. But clearly, people who have read some articles online have more knowledge than my gastroenterologist. 

 

 

[TheOneAndOnly]

49 minutes ago, MargaretElliott said:

Though she's nowhere near Duggar-level gender segregation, it still reeks of patriarchal "hurr hurr man like meat, woman stay thin and pretty" bullshit.

Woman wouldn't stay thin long if she ate much of Ree's cooking. 

[HarryPotterFan]

8 hours ago, Dandruff said:

Can she fake a soul for her patients?  If not, I hope that she isn't treating conditions for which bedside manner really matters.

I hope so. But apparently she once got in trouble in med school for leaving in the middle of an appointment because it was tea time.

She’s doing family/general medicine, but I don’t think she has the smarts/cares enough to know when to refer someone to a specialist.

[nst]

one of pickles's people found that Derick's name is in the campus directory now. 

it's starting 

[SapphireSlytherin]

What's starting???? lol

[PennySycamore]

3 hours ago, JMarie said:

I mentioned Pioneer Woman because Ree is a Christian Homeschooling Mom.  Ina wouldn't be appropriate, since she's barren (no judgment, since I am also barren).

And Ina is Jewish.  And a Democrat (Jeffery was an undersecretary in the Clinton administration) .  And is a big supporter (both financially and with her time) of Planned Parenthood.  And frequently has her gay friends on her show.

[nst]

16 minutes ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

What's starting???? lol

spottings of derick 

 

1 hour ago, HereticHick said:

There people everywhere doing jobs they don't really like in order to support themselves and their families. Suck it up, buttercup.

yes I had to give a warning letter to a tenant - two more and she gets an eviction notice.

Fun for me. 

I am totally sucking it up

[TakingBibleClasses]

7 hours ago, Ilovebrownies said:

what does this mean?

I don’t know what the law school’s acronym means, but WWJD is Christian for “What Would Jesus Do?” You see it written on bracelets all the time.

[Greendoor]

On 8/8/2018 at 1:50 PM, PennySycamore said:

@SamiKatz, that sounds like my youngest daughter and broccoli or "gwockoli" as her toddler self called it.  She still won't eat broccoli.  She's 27.

My son wouldn't  touch "little green trees" when he was little.  Now occassionally he will eat it  but like all veg it must be raw (except potatoes).

[acheronbeach]

1 hour ago, PennySycamore said:

And Ina is Jewish.  And a Democrat (Jeffery was an undersecretary in the Clinton administration) .  And is a big supporter (both financially and with her time) of Planned Parenthood.  And frequently has her gay friends on her show.

Ina originally dropped out of college, then went back, got an MBA and worked in nuclear policy, then started a house flipping business, and then ran her own business in the Hamptons.  She's an incredibly intelligent self-made woman.  

I love turning on her show, watching her whip up a cocktail with "good vanilla" for her friends with names like Pierre and Rudiger, who always seem to be buff, coiffed and wearing sherbet-coloured polos.  She really sells the dream of drinking and eating on fancy Hamptons patios with groups of tasteful gay friends.  

[freshlemonade]

Could Derek be gearing up to try to be the Duggar's official family lawyer?  Kind of doubt it though.  Human rights lawyer?  Hah, yeah right.  His tweets will get even more annoying when he starts using his year one legalese. 

Jill's blog rubs me the wrong way.  It just seems so basic and lame.  But, if she's doing to try to appeal to the leghumpers, then maybe that's why she posts the things and recipes that she does.  She got so much backlash about feeding Indian food to Izzy (the horrors!) that maybe she's purposely putting the most "Duggarish" recipes on her blog because the people that follow her like that type of stuff and/or can relate to it.  She's not popular enough to get a lot of mainstream people to follow her.  

Jessa, on the other hand, probably has a lot of mainstream, non-fundie followers.  I wonder if Jessa is naturally good at branding and presenting her life on social media, or if she gets coaching?  

Another Ina fan here.  Except that she hates cilantro.  Cilantro is the best Ina-give it another shot!!

[Alisamer]

1 hour ago, louisa05 said:

When I was growing up, my mom raised a huge vegetable garden every summer. She canned massive amounts of green beans and we ate them all winter. I never would have eaten green beans that were not home grown as a child or teen if it weren't for school lunches. Fresh garden green beans canned at home in Mason jars are actually very good. And if you're being a damn food snob about them, you don't know what you are talking about. 

And you haven't had fresh sweet corn unless you've had farm fresh in  the Midwest. But that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with buying a bag of frozen corn or a can. And for people without a lot of money,  there are times in our stores that you can get canned vegetables three for a dollar. A bag of fresh green beans cost me over $3 earlier this week. 

Same! We canned so many green beans, enough for us and our grandparents to have all year. They were SO good. We'd go pick corn, shuck it, and throw it straight in the pot. We had homegrown squash, okra, etc.

But me? I live alone, I hate cooking, and I don't do leftovers (I just can't, I've tried, I always either forget them or don't want them until they've been in the fridge long enough to be questionable). But there are single-serve pudding-cup style microwavable green beans and peas, single serving cans of corn, etc. I know fresh produce is better. Yes, I know. But you know what? I know what my time and energy limits are, and so I microwave a little cup of peas, some corn, some beans, and have veggies I wouldn't otherwise have. I'll split a can of pintos into three servings so I can microwave one at a time through the week. If I've been really energetic and made some homemade bread over the weekend, I'll eat that with the veggies. My idea of a salad is baby spinach in a bowl with some blueberries, strawberries, or grapes tossed on top with a bit of raspberry vinaigrette.

I'm not going to ever shame anyone for eating canned food. I'm probably having microwaved chef boy-ar-dee spaghetti for dinner tonight. Yeah, it's kid food. I know. It's also about a dollar, for a whole meal, and takes 1 minute and 30 seconds to make.

I promise I'm not going to go posting it on Instagram, or offering up recipes! 

11 minutes ago, freshlemonade said:

Another Ina fan here.  Except that she hates cilantro.  Cilantro is the best Ina-give it another shot!!

Cilantro tastes like full on soap, to me. 

[Scrabblemaster]

Okay FJs. I have to tell you that I am in France on vacation and all this reading about Yucks and Yums makes me tell you: I am in food heaven! Yesterday evening I ate something that would be described as yuck by many peolpe, but it was very yummi. I ordered it without REALLY knowing what it was, if I had known it I would not have ordered it, and I would have missed something delicious. 

I will put it under a spoiler, so you can decide if you want to know more. 

Spoiler

It is called l'andouillette. It's a sausage out of stomach and intestine from porc. Well mine was from porc. It looked strange and it tasted delicious but I was sure that I never tried something like this. Because of the texture and the new taste I was sure that it either was sweetbread (although the texture was not right for this, Mr. S. told me) or something like entrails, because I never ate one of those before. Yep, I asked the waiter and he confirmed that it were intestine. I was kind of relieved that it was no sweetbread but I am an adventurous eater and the time will come when I will eat sweetbread.

And now: don't yuck my yum 

I ordered it because the word looked beautiful, my French is okay but not that good and I was fully aware that this could be anything. I was surprised, not shocked. 

[Rachel333]

On 8/10/2018 at 10:36 AM, nst said:

one of pickles's people found that Derick's name is in the campus directory now. 

it's starting 

I love how she claims it was from an inside source. First of all, the information is totally public, you just have to know where to look. Second, she only posted it a few hours ago and I posted it here on FJ yesterday. 

 

[NotaFanNotaCritic]

21 hours ago, justoneoftwo said:

So we have confirmation!!  I'm so interested in how this will work out. . . 

Personally I think law school is a terrible idea for 99.9% of people, and likely that includes him.  But maybe I'll be wrong. 

I'm also sure he is taking on debt to do it.

lol I just graduated law school so I hope I'm part of the .1% The truth is that the content that is learned in  law school is not hard to grasp. Law school is more about how much someone can retain of the hundreds of pages that they read per week. He got through an accounting degree I think he'll be fine if he truly wants to do it. however I think jill will be the one who will have the hardest time with this.

I know a lot of people who got divorced or separated while in law school because of the toll it takes on relationship and the days you truly don't have time to do more than study and bathe lol. but we shall see

[fundieundies]

Honestly I give Ofjill 50/50 odds of completing law school. He's clearly capable of studying and learning since he got an accounting degree, but law school is a whole other beast. I think family commitments will pull him out of law school if he does drop out - Jill is going to be upset that they'll have less time for each other and she's going to want another baby within the next 3 years. Ofjill is also incapable of sticking to one job for more than 2 years at a time so I think he'll grow bored of this. 

I'm genuinely curious how they're paying for this, he'd probably qualify for some 'continuing education' type of loan if the school offers one of those. I think his mother and JB must be splitting the costs. I wonder how he feels about JB bankrolling his family - fundie culture emphasizes a man being able to provide for his own family and he's incredibly dependent on JB

[PennySycamore]

@freshlemonade,  I think @Alisamer pretty much already gave the reason why Ina might hate cilantro, but hating cilantro isn't like other food dislikes.  Cilantro tastes like soap to a surprising minority of people including to my daughter who's pretty food adventerous otherwise, but it's not just stubbornness, it's genetic.

[SassyPants]

57 minutes ago, fundieundies said:

Honestly I give Ofjill 50/50 odds of completing law school. He's clearly capable of studying and learning since he got an accounting degree, but law school is a whole other beast. I think family commitments will pull him out of law school if he does drop out - Jill is going to be upset that they'll have less time for each other and she's going to want another baby within the next 3 years. Ofjill is also incapable of sticking to one job for more than 2 years at a time so I think he'll grow bored of this. 

I'm genuinely curious how they're paying for this, he'd probably qualify for some 'continuing education' type of loan if the school offers one of those. I think his mother and JB must be splitting the costs. I wonder how he feels about JB bankrolling his family - fundie culture emphasizes a man being able to provide for his own family and he's incredibly dependent on JB

Would I guy who claimed {when asked by JB} that he would not go into debt to repair a disabled vehicle, actually take on debt to attain yet another academic degree??? Particularly when you take into account that his wife was not comfortable when he was using his first degree by working outside the home to support his family?

DD is so FOS. 

[HarryPotterFan]

I wonder how fundie families like the Duggars who rely on their parents for jobs/money expect their own kids to be financially stable/independent one day. Duggar boys get jobs from daddy, who knows how the Dullards finance their lives....what are their kids supppsed to do when they’re adults? What kind of role models are these people? These people won’t provide their kids with an education that can help them get a job “on the outside” and would forbid it, but they’re not financing themselves through life so they wouldn’t be able to give their kids jobs or money. 

[justoneoftwo]

1 hour ago, NotaFanNotaCritic said:

lol I just graduated law school so I hope I'm part of the .1% The truth is that the content that is learned in  law school is not hard to grasp. Law school is more about how much someone can retain of the hundreds of pages that they read per week. He got through an accounting degree I think he'll be fine if he truly wants to do it. however I think jill will be the one who will have the hardest time with this.

I know a lot of people who got divorced or separated while in law school because of the toll it takes on relationship and the days you truly don't have time to do more than study and bathe lol. but we shall see

I hope your one of the .1% too!  I did law school (admittedly I graduated 7 years ago) so I agree he can get through it.  I don't even think its as time consuming as some people have said (I met and married my headship during law school, so you can definitely have relationships, although a kid would be much harder).  I think Jill will still have a hard time with it.  She isn't used to people having to study that hard, and living on loans would be scary for her, and she wants more kids and he doesn't seem to.  This is just another way he is pulling her in a direction she doesn't want to go.  

I think his biggest problem seems to are that he doesn't want to stick with anything, he gets bored or annoyed when its not what he imagined and so he doesn't want to finish.  But I do think he will finish, if only for pride's sake.  Then the problem becomes that most people hate practicing law, and most of them also don't get paid as much as they think they will to do it.  Both of those will become real problems.  

[louisa05]

2 hours ago, HarryPotterFan said:

I wonder how fundie families like the Duggars who rely on their parents for jobs/money expect their own kids to be financially stable/independent one day. Duggar boys get jobs from daddy, who knows how the Dullards finance their lives....what are their kids supppsed to do when they’re adults? What kind of role models are these people? These people won’t provide their kids with an education that can help them get a job “on the outside” and would forbid it, but they’re not financing themselves through life so they wouldn’t be able to give their kids jobs or money. 

I wonder how much they understand money management and financial planning other than "debt is bad", too*. And can they manage these businesses of his on their own if he is suddenly gone? 

*Not to say that non-fundie people who went to real school don't often have a lot of blank spots in their understanding of money management and financial planning, too. We won't talk about my nephew who seems to think that his student loans will be paid off by magical elves or some imaginary loan forgiveness program that will present itself to him by knocking on his door while he lounges around working 20 hours a week or less. 

[HarryPotterFan]

3 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

I wonder how much they understand money management and financial planning other than "debt is bad", too*. And can they manage these businesses of his on their own if he is suddenly gone? 

*Not to say that non-fundie people who went to real school don't often have a lot of blank spots in their understanding of money management and financial planning, too. We won't talk about my nephew who seems to think that his student loans will be paid off by magical elves or some imaginary loan forgiveness program that will present itself to him by knocking on his door while he lounges around working 20 hours a week or less. 

That’s another thing. They’re so dependent on this being under the father’s umbrella nonsense. The married Duggar boys are pretty much still under JB’s umbrella, so are most of the married girls. These parents don’t trust their kids to make their own decisions, be alone with the opposite sex, etc. What’s the JB/Michelle and other parents’ plan for after they die? Like they think if they don’t hover over their kids they’ll stray from Jesus. Do they plan on living forever? Why are they allowed to make decisions and so holy that they won’t be tempted or whatever, but their kids aren’t?

I’m not sure if I’m articulating myself well. I’ve been sick the past few days 

[Dandruff]

8 hours ago, HereticHick said:

He HAD a real career-- being an accountant. He can still have that career.  If he didn't like it, he should have thought twice before marrying a woman whose family believes in women not working and having as many as children as possible.

I respect your opinion, but I have zero sympathy for Derick.  There people everywhere doing jobs they don't really like in order to support themselves and their families. Suck it up, buttercup.

I agree.

I also still wonder why he left his job at Walmart.  Was he fired?  Asked to resign?  Were things going so well for the Duggars and Jill/Derick on TLC that it seemed more worthwhile to go to CA and be filmed than stay employed with less filming?

Jill and Derick were very popular for awhile but this was before the Josh stuff hit the fan and Derick became (IMO) very boring, then noxious, and Jill became anxious and clinging.  The Pistol Pete reminiscing got old really fast yet he's still at it.

I don't know if Derick will get anything out of his ministry certificate, or law school.  Don't about the marriage either.  I suspect they're both trying to meet the contractual obligations of their covenant marriage (trying to make it work), but I also suspect that if they knew each other better before becoming engaged it wouldn't have happened.

[justoneoftwo]

2 minutes ago, Dandruff said:

I agree.

I also still wonder why he left his job at Walmart.  Was he fired?  Asked to resign?  Were things going so well for the Duggars and Jill/Derick on TLC that it seemed more worthwhile to go to CA and be filmed than stay employed with less filming?

Jill and Derick were very popular for awhile but this was before the Josh stuff hit the fan and Derick became (IMO) very boring, then noxious, and Jill became anxious and clinging.  The Pistol Pete reminiscing got old really fast yet he's still at it.

I don't know if Derick will get anything out of his ministry certificate, or law school.  Don't about the marriage either.  I suspect they're both trying to meet the contractual obligations of their covenant marriage (trying to make it work), but I also suspect that if they knew each other better before becoming engaged it wouldn't have happened.

Didn't he quit after the scandals came out?  I know they were planning to go before, but he didn't actually resign until later, right?  He could have backed out once it looked like the money wasn't going to be rolling in anymore . . . Or he could have gotten a job when he came back . . .

I really think he just doesn't like the real world.  I don't either but I know I can't be a student forever. . . 

[Baxter]

As someone who also went to law school and is now a lawyer, I think that I actually spent more time on school work in my undergrad degree. Law school seemed pretty light in comparison. I had lots of spare time to socialize but I wouldn't want to do it with kids. I wouldn't want to do any schooling when I had kids. There were certainly several other people in my year who had children and they seemed to make it work. I think their spouses picked up a lot of the slack.

That being said, if Derrick isn't really involved with child care then it probably won't affect him too much anyways. The thing with law school is that as long as you don't get terrible grades, it's fine. You don't need to be at the top of the class, especially if you aren't wanting to go work at one of the big firms or clerk at the Supreme Court. But while you might not need to work as hard while you are in law school, practicing law is a whole different game. It can be soul sucking and be prepared to work long hours if you want to make good money.