Joy & Austin 23: Still Sticking Around

[OyToTheVey]

vacuum, definitely, receipt, museum, all words I have trouble spelling and I have a Masters in Education. Embarrassing!  

 

PS: As I wrote that I realized I spell embaressing (that's how my mind sees it)  wrong too ?

[PigtailHeadband]

6 minutes ago, OyToTheVey said:

 

vacuum, definitely, receipt, museum,

 

When I was in third grade we had to come up with stories to help us remember how to spell difficult words. My classmate came up this story about becoming someone becoming “deaf in Ite’s house”. I’m 34 years old and I still say this on my head to spell definitely!

[melon]

I had a teacher ,in high school,and he was talking about commonly misspelled words,like:colonel,lieutenant etc...and he said the way to remember "Lieutenant" was break it into "Lie" "u' "tenant".

[libgirl2]

15 minutes ago, melon said:

I had a teacher ,in high school,and he was talking about commonly misspelled words,like:colonel,lieutenant etc...and he said the way to remember "Lieutenant" was break it into "Lie" "u' "tenant".

I had a teacher that said the same thing! 

[Mama Mia]

All words with a big jumble of vowels should be banned. 

[Iamtheway]

@just_ordinary and @Ais

This sounds just like me too! I can be so super efficient right before a deadline, work with such speed. Yesterday a client called me when I was on my way to work and asked if the thing I was doing for them was finished. I told her I’d send it as soon as I arrived at the office in 30 minutes, and I said it with confidence. I was actually only 10 minutes from the office and hadn’t even started it. 

Now ask me how long the washing has been hanging out to dry ...

[JemimaPuddle-Duck]

I always though that spelling definitely like defiantly was just an autocorrect typo, not an actual misspelling!

The reason I have a hard time with vacuum and broccoli is because I would always confuse whether they were vaccum and brocolli instead. 

Also, I always thought that being well-read made a good speller. My husband is really smart and reads extensively, but can’t spell worth crap. He blames it on spellcheck, autocorrect and laziness lol. 

Things that drive me nuts: 

When people swap lose/loose

Signs that say The Smith’s

The fact that smooth doesn’t have an e at the end. 

[LilMissMetaphor]

5 hours ago, singsingsing said:

I'm very good at spelling (tested in the 99.99th percentile) and like I said, I didn't have the spelling of vacuum pinned down until I was in my late 20s. I was always trying to add an extra c. 

Also, this is one of the dumbest, pickiest arguments I've ever seen here. God forbid someone misspell the word 'vacuum' or post a to-do list on Instagram? lol okay. Time to take a little break from the Duggar forum, I think. When all's quiet on the Duggar front, things seem to rapidly devolve into inanity around here.

I don't know, I'd rather argue about stupid misspellings than about whether or not someone's wedding dress was fitted right at the bust, or whether you can tell from a picture if someone has deep unaddressed sadness issues.  We all come here for different reasons.

[Carm_88]

I haven't figured out why some people don't know that the word propose is different than purpose. Because seriously, I am so sick of seeing: 

We went on a walk on a beautiful beach at sunset. It was such a nice night and then at the end of the walk, he got down on one knee and purposed to me!"

Makes me think of the Duggars. 

[PumaLover]

I'm never sure if I've spelled embarrassed right. It looks wrong to me both ways, LOL.

Also I am currently procrastinating all my household chores by being here on FJ reading about household chores. I should really get up and do something.

[ViolaSebastian]

Back to the thread drift, I worked at a company that sold emergency services equipment in my early 20s. On the wall, there was a huge banner that said "MARSHAL IS SPELLED WITH ONLY ONE L"

[Elvis Presby]

4 hours ago, SamiKatz said:

Personally, I think  English speaking people will be brought down by the apostrophe!  Especially the 's. I see it used improperly so often (and have done so myself on occasion. I also misspelled definitely for years (I spelled it definately).  

It is kind of quiet in Duggarland, and the TV show is dreadfully boring so not much to chat about as far as they're concerned.

Christmas card season is fast approaching.  There needs to be a PSA that last names and apostrophes don't go together.

[SapphireSlytherin]

3 hours ago, Elvis Presby said:

Christmas card season is fast approaching.  There needs to be a PSA that last names and apostrophes don't go together.

Unless they're actual possessives:

Merry Christmas from the Smith's Household!

Happy Holidays from the Duggar's Compound!

 

Our typical greeting is:

Have a Cool Yule, Y'all.

or:

Whether you celebrate the secular or the sacred, the Smiths wish you joy and peace.

 

(We are not the Smiths, FYI)

[JemimaPuddle-Duck]

1 hour ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

Unless they're actual possessives:

Merry Christmas from the Smith's Household!

Happy Holidays from the Duggar's Compound!

 

Our typical greeting is:

Have a Cool Yule, Y'all.

or:

Whether you celebrate the secular or the sacred, the Smiths wish you joy and peace.

 

(We are not the Smiths, FYI)

Shouldn’t  those properly be Smith Household and Duggar Compound?

[SapphireSlytherin]

20 minutes ago, JemimaPuddle-Duck said:

Shouldn’t  those properly be Smith Household and Duggar Compound?

It could go either way. lol

 

Or, it could be the Smiths' Household or the Duggars' Compound. Depending on whether the owner is one Smith (or Duggar) or multiple Smiths (or Duggars). 

 

Or, where it REALLY gets fun is when the name ends in S, so there would be the Williams's Home or the Barnes's compound. 

 

But then it gets into "My 5th grade teacher vs. YOUR 5th grade teacher" discussion. 

 

OR! If you want to refer to all the prople with the last name Williams or Barnes:

Merry Christmas from the Barneses

or

Happy Holidays from the Williamses.

 

(And it’s Season’s Greetings, while we are at it.)

 

Grammar are funs. 

[Mama Mia]

1 hour ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

Unless they're actual possessives:

Merry Christmas from the Smith's Household!

Happy Holidays from the Duggar's Compound!

 

Our typical greeting is:

Have a Cool Yule, Y'all.

or:

Whether you celebrate the secular or the sacred, the Smiths wish you joy and peace.

 

(We are not the Smiths, FYI)

That’s the clearest breakdown I’ve ever seen. Thank You! I get this wrong ALL the time !

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

This shit is the real war on Christmas. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, this is joke. 

[Rachel333]

36 minutes ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

It could go either way. lol

 

Or, it could be the Smiths' Household or the Duggars' Compound. Depending on whether the owner is one Smith (or Duggar) or multiple Smiths (or Duggars). 

 

I don't think I've ever seen a single person refer to themselves as a household! It's usually "from the Smiths' household" if there are multiple Smiths or just "from Jane Smith" if it's just one person.

I think every single time I have actually seen "the Smith's household" (or equivalent, of course) the person meant "the Smiths' household" but got it wrong.

I like the idea of referring to myself as "the [my surname]" though. 

36 minutes ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

Or, where it REALLY gets fun is when the name ends in S, so there would be the Williams's Home or the Barnes's compound. 

 

But then it gets into "My 5th grade teacher vs. YOUR 5th grade teacher" discussion. 

 

OR! If you want to refer to all the prople with the last name Williams or Barnes:

Merry Christmas from the Barneses

or

Happy Holidays from the Williamses.

Yep, that's where people really get tripped up! Example: the Bates family. I've seen so many variants when people try to use their name in the plural or possessive. 

Edit: Actually (to further confuse things!), I probably wouldn't use the possessive at all if talking about a household as a title. I'd say "the Smiths' house" but "the Smith household."

[JillyO]

11 hours ago, Don'tlikekoolaid said:

Rufus Bless all ESL students!

Honestly, because English spelling is so unintuitive and often does not really correlate with the way you pronounce a word, I often think that ESL speakers may be at an advantage. We had just had to learn how to spell all these words, whereas native speakers often try to gauge spelling from pronunciation (which, again, doesn't work all that well in English).

[SapphireSlytherin]

6 hours ago, JillyO said:

Honestly, because English spelling is so unintuitive and often does not really correlate with the way you pronounce a word, I often think that ESL speakers may be at an advantage. We had just had to learn how to spell all these words, whereas native speakers often try to gauge spelling from pronunciation (which, again, doesn't work all that well in English).

This is one of my favorites, and it's fun (also hard) to read aloud:

 

The Chaos (by G. Nolst Trenité, a.k.a. "Charivarius"; 1870 - 1946)

Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,

I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse

I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.

Tear in eye your dress you'll tear,
So shall I! Oh, hear my prayer,

Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!

Just compare heart, beard and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,

Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written).

Made has not the sound of bade,
Say said, pay-paid, laid, but plaid.

Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,

But be careful how you speak,
Say break, steak, but bleak and streak.

Previous, precious, fuchsia, via,
Pipe, snipe, recipe and choir,

Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,

Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles.
Exiles, similes, reviles.

Wholly, holly, signal, signing.
Thames, examining, combining

Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war, and far.

From "desire": desirable--admirable from "admire."
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier.

Chatham, brougham, renown, but known.
Knowledge, done, but gone and tone,

One, anemone. Balmoral.
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel,

Gertrude, German, wind, and mind.
Scene, Melpomene, mankind,

Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, reading, heathen, heather.

This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.

Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet;

Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.

Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which is said to rime with "darky."

Viscous, Viscount, load, and broad.
Toward, to forward, to reward.

And your pronunciation's O.K.,
When you say correctly: croquet.

Rounded, wounded, grieve, and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive, and live,

Liberty, library, heave, and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven,

We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.

Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover,

Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police, and lice.

Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label,

Petal, penal, and canal,
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal.

Suit, suite, ruin, circuit, conduit,
Rime with "shirk it" and "beyond it."

But it is not hard to tell,
Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.

Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion,

Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, and chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor,

Ivy, privy, famous, clamour
And enamour rime with hammer.

Pussy, hussy, and possess,
Desert, but dessert, address.

Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants.
Hoist, in lieu of flags, left pennants.

River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.

Stranger does not rime with anger.
Neither does devour with clangour.

Soul, but foul and gaunt but aunt.
Font, front, won't, want, grand, and grant.

Shoes, goes, does. Now first say: finger.
And then: singer, ginger, linger,

Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age.

Query does not rime with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.

Dost, lost, post; and doth, cloth, loth;
Job, Job; blossom, bosom, oath.

Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual.

Seat, sweat; chaste, caste.; Leigh, eight, height;
Put, nut; granite, and unite.

Reefer does not rime with deafer,
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.

Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late,
Hint, pint, Senate, but sedate.

Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific,

Tour, but our and succour, four,
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.

Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria,

Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion.

Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay.

Say aver, but ever, fever.
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.

Never guess--it is not safe:
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralph.

Heron, granary, canary,
Crevice and device, and eyrie,

Face but preface, but efface,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.

Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust, and scour, but scourging,

Ear but earn, and wear and bear
Do not rime with here, but ere.

Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,

Monkey, donkey, clerk, and jerk,
Asp, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation--think of psyche--!
Is a paling, stout and spikey,

Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing "groats" and saying "grits"?

It's a dark abyss or tunnel,
Strewn with stones, like rowlock, gunwale,

Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict, and indict!

Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?

Finally: which rimes with "enough"
Though, through, plough, cough, hough, or tough?

Hiccough has the sound of "cup."
My advice is--give it up!

[just_ordinary]

18 minutes ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

This is one of my favorites, and it's fun (also hard) to read aloud:

 

The Chaos (by G. Nolst Trenité, a.k.a. "Charivarius"; 1870 - 1946)

Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,

I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse

I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.

Tear in eye your dress you'll tear,
So shall I! Oh, hear my prayer,

Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!

Just compare heart, beard and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,

Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written).

Made has not the sound of bade,
Say said, pay-paid, laid, but plaid.

Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,

But be careful how you speak,
Say break, steak, but bleak and streak.

Previous, precious, fuchsia, via,
Pipe, snipe, recipe and choir,

Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,

Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles.
Exiles, similes, reviles.

Wholly, holly, signal, signing.
Thames, examining, combining

Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war, and far.

From "desire": desirable--admirable from "admire."
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier.

Chatham, brougham, renown, but known.
Knowledge, done, but gone and tone,

One, anemone. Balmoral.
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel,

Gertrude, German, wind, and mind.
Scene, Melpomene, mankind,

Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, reading, heathen, heather.

This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.

Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet;

Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.

Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which is said to rime with "darky."

Viscous, Viscount, load, and broad.
Toward, to forward, to reward.

And your pronunciation's O.K.,
When you say correctly: croquet.

Rounded, wounded, grieve, and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive, and live,

Liberty, library, heave, and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven,

We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.

Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover,

Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police, and lice.

Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label,

Petal, penal, and canal,
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal.

Suit, suite, ruin, circuit, conduit,
Rime with "shirk it" and "beyond it."

But it is not hard to tell,
Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.

Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion,

Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, and chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor,

Ivy, privy, famous, clamour
And enamour rime with hammer.

Pussy, hussy, and possess,
Desert, but dessert, address.

Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants.
Hoist, in lieu of flags, left pennants.

River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.

Stranger does not rime with anger.
Neither does devour with clangour.

Soul, but foul and gaunt but aunt.
Font, front, won't, want, grand, and grant.

Shoes, goes, does. Now first say: finger.
And then: singer, ginger, linger,

Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age.

Query does not rime with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.

Dost, lost, post; and doth, cloth, loth;
Job, Job; blossom, bosom, oath.

Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual.

Seat, sweat; chaste, caste.; Leigh, eight, height;
Put, nut; granite, and unite.

Reefer does not rime with deafer,
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.

Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late,
Hint, pint, Senate, but sedate.

Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific,

Tour, but our and succour, four,
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.

Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria,

Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion.

Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay.

Say aver, but ever, fever.
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.

Never guess--it is not safe:
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralph.

Heron, granary, canary,
Crevice and device, and eyrie,

Face but preface, but efface,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.

Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust, and scour, but scourging,

Ear but earn, and wear and bear
Do not rime with here, but ere.

Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,

Monkey, donkey, clerk, and jerk,
Asp, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation--think of psyche--!
Is a paling, stout and spikey,

Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing "groats" and saying "grits"?

It's a dark abyss or tunnel,
Strewn with stones, like rowlock, gunwale,

Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict, and indict!

Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?

Finally: which rimes with "enough"
Though, through, plough, cough, hough, or tough?

Hiccough has the sound of "cup."
My advice is--give it up!

Sent that to my English parents in law and my husband. I knew I was right all those years. 

Now, can somebody explain those stupid Cryptic Crosswords to me. Honestly it feels as if they just fill in a random word and than fill the rest up. Those answers have absolutely no connection to the question in my opinion. And of course if you don’t find an answer it  MUST be an anagram- because reasons, Jesus,...?

(Disclaimer: of course I know how they work but it drives me crazy)

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

8 hours ago, JillyO said:

Honestly, because English spelling is so unintuitive and often does not really correlate with the way you pronounce a word, I often think that ESL speakers may be at an advantage. We had just had to learn how to spell all these words, whereas native speakers often try to gauge spelling from pronunciation (which, again, doesn't work all that well in English).

Considering phonics isn't spelled fawnics, I don't know how any of us were expected to learn this shit back in the day.

[Cheetah]

I used to be great at spelling but it seems to be going along with my knowledge of where I left my car keys :-(.  LOL.  I couldn't for the life of me get 'conscientious' right the other day... I kept trying to make it work with another 'c' or 'sc' where the 't' goes but it wasn't working... finally I resorted to google.  

[adidas]

17 hours ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

Or, where it REALLY gets fun is when the name ends in S, so there would be the Williams's Home or the Barnes's compound. 

Or Williams’ or Barnes’ (I agree, I think we all go back to whatever our teacher said was the right way to do it).

[SapphireSlytherin]

2 hours ago, adidas said:

Or Williams’ or Barnes’ (I agree, I think we all go back to whatever our teacher said was the right way to do it).

See, to me - Williams' or Barnes' is wrong to show possessive. If it's possessive, it would be Williams's or Barnes's. But as you said that's my fifth grade teacher vs. your fifth grade teacher.