Spanky Sproul 2: WTF is Happening, In More Ways than One

[older than allosaurs]

Here's an interesting response on Darby's Wilson/Sitler twitter thread. Jasmine is Voddie Baucham's daughter and also (or even so) someone worth reading.

Jasmine Holmes‏ @JasmineLHolmes 18m18 minutes ago

Replying to @DarbyStouffer

I love you. I’m sorry. You are so incredibly brave and I’m glad to be your friend.

[hoipolloi]

Darby makes it rather clear what her concerns are WRT Wilson:

hread

[hoipolloi]

Darby responding to Heather Wilson, daughter-in-law of Doug:

[older than allosaurs]

8 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Darby responding to Heather Wilson, daughter of Doug: 

 

mini correction: Heather is Doug's daughter-in-law, married to Nate.

[refugee]

Wilson is hemorrhaging church members, @CrossingRivers? Oh how I hope so!

Shut the damned thing down. Shut it down. I’d love to see lots of his former supporters shout him down, too. I haven’t been able to read his bloviation that he calls a blog in years, now. It’s bad enough just hear about it from others with stronger stomachs than mine.

Go, millennials! More power to you, if you are leading an exodus and expose.

[older than allosaurs]

Here's the merest snippet from Doug's blog today, for those who haven't had the pleasure:

About That Word Matriarchy

When I urge, as it appears I did in the title of this piece, the smashing of the matriarchy, I want to make sure to begin by defining our terms. This I propose to do, taking as my starting point a definition of matriarchy that runs thus: “a system of society or government ruled by a woman or women.” But an adjustment is needed. A slight difficulty is caused by the fact that rule by mothers and rule by women are not necessarily the same thing. The word matriarchy has mater (mother) at the root, and so what could you call rule by women who have waged a very bloody war on the very idea of motherhood? It has been bloody enough to actually warrant the name of a monstrous regiment.

So whatever is happening, we are not actually being ruled by fruitful women (a state of affairs that fruitful women actually detest), but rather by men with a homosexual ethos who have recruited a horde of childless and gullible women to serve as their honey-trap shock troops. Such women are those who have accepted the flattering vanities of career “advancement” in place of a truly satisfying life as the active mother of a teeming and energetic pack of yard apes. These duped women have somehow been persuaded that the good opinion of the bureaucrats in HR is somehow far more valuable than the good opinion of the yard apes. It isn’t, by the way.

Unfortunately, we don’t have a word for rule by that sort of women. We don’t have a word for “rule by barren feminists who have been snookered by the homosexual vibe,” so matriarchy will have to do as a stand-in for the present. But it is a stipulated definition, and the true nature of it will be revealed in due course.

 

[CTRLZero]

That's one of the most horrible things I've ever read.  How does anyone stay in such a hateful, misguided church?  Ugh.

[Destiny]

8 minutes ago, older than allosaurs said:

Here's the merest snippet from Doug's blog today, for those who haven't had the pleasure:

About That Word Matriarchy

When I urge, as it appears I did in the title of this piece, the smashing of the matriarchy, I want to make sure to begin by defining our terms. This I propose to do, taking as my starting point a definition of matriarchy that runs thus: “a system of society or government ruled by a woman or women.” But an adjustment is needed. A slight difficulty is caused by the fact that rule by mothers and rule by women are not necessarily the same thing. The word matriarchy has mater (mother) at the root, and so what could you call rule by women who have waged a very bloody war on the very idea of motherhood? It has been bloody enough to actually warrant the name of a monstrous regiment.

So whatever is happening, we are not actually being ruled by fruitful women (a state of affairs that fruitful women actually detest), but rather by men with a homosexual ethos who have recruited a horde of childless and gullible women to serve as their honey-trap shock troops. Such women are those who have accepted the flattering vanities of career “advancement” in place of a truly satisfying life as the active mother of a teeming and energetic pack of yard apes. These duped women have somehow been persuaded that the good opinion of the bureaucrats in HR is somehow far more valuable than the good opinion of the yard apes. It isn’t, by the way.

Unfortunately, we don’t have a word for rule by that sort of women. We don’t have a word for “rule by barren feminists who have been snookered by the homosexual vibe,” so matriarchy will have to do as a stand-in for the present. But it is a stipulated definition, and the true nature of it will be revealed in due course.

 

The first thing the came to mind when I read this is, "Fuck you Doug Wilson is a tool." 

There's so much wrong here, from the homosexual ethos to the yard apes that I don't even know where to start with the wrongness. 

[ViolaSebastian]

20 minutes ago, older than allosaurs said:

So whatever is happening, we are not actually being ruled by fruitful women (a state of affairs that fruitful women actually detest)

Okaaay. When should I break this news to the seventy percent of mothers with children under 18 who participate in the labor force?

[Howl]

9 minutes ago, Destiny said:

There's so much wrong here, from the homosexual ethos to the yard apes that I don't even know where to start with the wrongness. 

Don't start anywhere. It's the usual Doug Wilson hook that he uses to insult people. A close reading doesn't bring clarification because it doesn't necessarily make sense; he's just thrilled with his own clever word-smithy-ness. 

[Destiny]

I thought Doug actually stopped being relevant though. Isn't his church gone after the fall of VF? I always concentrated more on Gothard people, so I'm not as knowledgeable when it comes to the VF types.

[Destiny]

Ahem. I have just realised that I confused two different Dougs. While this Doug also appears to be a tool, he is not THE Tool. My bad. 

[hoipolloi]

2 hours ago, CTRLZero said:

How does anyone stay in such a hateful, misguided church? 

They (a) are part of the abusive power structure themselves & therefore benefit, or (b) are victims of the powerful & unable to leave or fearful of defying Wilson and his enablers.

2 hours ago, Howl said:

A close reading doesn't bring clarification because it doesn't necessarily make sense; he's just thrilled with his own clever word-smithy-ness. 

This is a nearly perfect exegesis of Wilson's writing.

[DomWackTroll]

What is it about this Reformed/Calvinist/Ex-VF crowd? Every time you think you know everything about one of their (many) scandals, it's like, there's a mini-scandal within the scandal, or some new twist you could have never predicted, or something that seemed long over is suddenly revived for some strange reason. It just never ends with these people. 

[Soulhuntress]

22 minutes ago, DomWackTroll said:

What is it about this Reformed/Calvinist/Ex-VF crowd? Every time you think you know everything about one of their (many) scandals, it's like, there's a mini-scandal within the scandal, or some new twist you could have never predicted, or something that seemed long over is suddenly revived for some strange reason. It just never ends with these people. 

Welp as my mom used to say "Me thinks he protesteth too much."  In this case mom would be devastated that such a dreadful man as Doug Wilson could be....gay.  Sorry guys.  

[AnnaSofia]

2 hours ago, DomWackTroll said:

What is it about this Reformed/Calvinist/Ex-VF crowd? Every time you think you know everything about one of their (many) scandals, it's like, there's a mini-scandal within the scandal, or some new twist you could have never predicted, or something that seemed long over is suddenly revived for some strange reason. It just never ends with these people. 

It's because as awful as their public facades are, what they conceal is actually much, much worse.

Even when a scandal finally breaks, we see a fraction of the true dysfunction, at best. I can't imagine what some of these people are actually hiding.

[seraaa]

9 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Darby responding to Heather Wilson, daughter-in-law of Doug:

Honestly, good for her. He deserves to be pushed back against and I imagine that this is not exactly easy. 

[Banyan]

On 11/3/2018 at 1:36 PM, hoipolloi said:

Spanky's arrest for drunken driving in IN a couple of years ago was possibly the first time he was caught but it was almost certainly NOT the first time he got behind the wheel, drunk, and drove with others in the vehicle.

Even when Sproul isn't fueling his driving with massive quantities of booze it's alleged he's still a reckless and dangerous driver, including with kids in his car:

Quote

At 8:44 PM,  Cortney said...

As sad as this is, it isn't surprising. In 2005, I was 13 years old and my family had just joined R.C. Jr's church in Virginia, Saint Peter Presbyterian Church. One time, his daughter invited me to the Sproul house for a sleepover. She and R.C. came to pick me up in his car. The Sprouls lived in an extremely rural town called Mendota. The road to Mendota was very long and wound sharply through thick woods. R.C. didn't want to slow down enough to safely take the corners. He instead cut them, crossing into the opposite lane right on the extreme point of blind curves. It was apparently his routine to engage in this life-threatening behavior during every commute to and out of Mendota. He had two children in the car, and we could have been caught in a head-on collision at any time. When I got home, I told my dad what R.C. had done, and he forbade all of us, his kids, to ride with him ever again. He's already a menace on the road when sober. I'm astonished he hasn't killed someone already.

Sproul obviously has a self-destructive personality. It's his business if he wants to destroy his own life, but he should do it in the privacy of his own home, not on the public highways. Not acceptable for him to think it's okay to endanger other peoples' lives.

[CrossingRivers]

10 hours ago, refugee said:

Wilson is hemorrhaging church members, @CrossingRivers? Oh how I hope so!

Shut the damned thing down. Shut it down. I’d love to see lots of his former supporters shout him down, too. I haven’t been able to read his bloviation that he calls a blog in years, now. It’s bad enough just hear about it from others with stronger stomachs than mine.

Go, millennials! More power to you, if you are leading an exodus and expose.

It’s what I’ve heard. I grew up within this movement. Several large families that were Wilson and Sproul Jr.’s most ardent supporters have left. They still attend Presbyterian Church but not that flavor. It’s weird to see these former fundies in shorts and jeans. ?

I personally burned all the books I owned, left the church and haven’t looked back. ? 

[Howl]

Doug Wilson is a scumbag but a Machiavellian scumbag who has built quite the empire in Moscow, Idaho:  the CREC, the K-12 schools, the seminary and a college, a publishing company, a home school curriculum company, and a Biblical counseling setup.   He keeps trying (arrogantly and quite successfully) to expand the college's footprint right in the center of downtown Moscow.  They have run church members (successfully) for the town board, who then vote in favor of the church to approve illegal variances in favor of their college footprint downtown.  And, I shit you not, they even tried to take over the board of the local food co-op.  Fortunately, there are some extremely vocal citizen critics of all of this and they are not shy about voicing their opinions and calling out the CREC and Doug Wilson in particular in the local paper. 

MoscowID.net tracks all of this and publishes these letters to the editor on their website.  The web site also has archives on all things Sitler, Jamin Wight, CREC and general Doug Wilson malfeasance.  Worth a visit if you need a deep dive down a serious rabbit hole.  Make sure a battalion of rescue ferrets are on standby. 

Moscow isn't a big city, but it is also the home of the University of Idaho.  Pullman, Washington is just across the way and is home to Washington State University.  It's not some backwater in the middle of nowhere.  

Wanted to add that there has been a relatively recent schism in the church.  The Doug Wilson wanna-be pastor (let's call him Baby Doug) was so obnoxious and divisive on social media that the congregation got rid of him and I think may have split from the CREC.  I'll check up on this and report back. The CREC spun it as recalling a pastor.  Then there are the profs who have been disappeared from the college.   Not really fired, just....poof! 

And the plagiarism scandals....really, there is no end. 

But there's this: http://federal-vision.blogspot.com/

So consider that there are multiple web sites devoted to archiving and exposing the skullduggery of RC and Doug Wilson.

[Howl]

OK, it didn't take long to find the link about the wee schism in CREC world: 

Internal Communiqué: TRC Cans Toby Sumpter, Christ Church Hires Him

Also, apologies to all for thread hijack and drift.  Reading Doug Wilson blog text triggered some kind of epic fugue state and I thought I was back in the throes of some truly epic Doug Wilson threads from years past. It all came rushing in. 

Our most recent Wilson was @DomWackTroll's fun thread Essential Oil Facebook Kerfluffle (Wilson vs. McDonald) back in August '18. 

 

[hoipolloi]

7 hours ago, seraaa said:

Honestly, good for her. He deserves to be pushed back against and I imagine that this is not exactly easy. 

I agree. I admire her for speaking out -- it must be difficult indeed.

[AnnaSofia]

I'm not REMOTELY a fan of Darby, but huge props for what she's doing here.

[meowfundiecatz]

9 minutes ago, AnnaSofia said:

I'm not REMOTELY a fan of Darby, but huge props for what she's doing here.

I haven't really heard much about her, but I'm new to following these things. Can you give a synopsis of her involvement?

I started reading this one a little closer, as my church has one singular family that is a fan of Doug Wilson and his church. The church we mutually attend has many vital doctrines that differ from Wilson's so it's a puzzle to me.

[AnnaSofia]

Darby, at least at one time (I haven't kept up with her much lately) was vehemently anti-choice. IIRC, she declared that the Roe v. Wade decision was worse than the terror attacks on 9/11, and regularly harassed patients trying to access women's clinics, claiming it was a "ministry". Oddly enough, she hated Catholics even more than she hated abortion, and refused to protest alongside them.

I was a clinic escort for awhile, and my role was to help shield patients from people like Darby, so I'm probably a lil touchy on the subject.