Jingermy - We 'Knew' the Bride When She Used to Snarky Eyeroll

[formergothardite]

2 hours ago, SassyPants said:

Personally, I do not want to look up anything to do with their particular brand of cultism. Just as I thought, there is not congregation or true religious community beyond JB and his Bible study.

This is a cult and not a religion.

Why try to defend the BS?

Why so damn defensive?

She wasn't being defensive, she was just explaining. The church they were attending for a long time had no official pastor, but had elders. Jim Bob was just one of the elders. Men from the church could decide to share a message. No one really knows where they are going now, there is no reason to think that they suddenly decided to stop attending some sort of church service after all these years. 

Again, not defending fundamentalism, just explaining that your impression seems to be wrong and it wasn't just the Jim Bob show. 

[CrazyMumma]

any People spread yet of this wedding? I'm keen for more photos!

[grandmadugger]

2 minutes ago, slp said:

Actually, the churches in the Southern  Baptist  Convention are still autonomous congregations.  The SBC  website says so.  The SBC has absolutely no authority to 'make' the individual churches do anything, they don't choose the minister, etc. 

http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/acloserlook.asp

"The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is not a church. It is a set of ministries supported by a network of cooperating Baptist churches.

These ministries include international and domestic missions, theological education, advocacy for religious liberty, literature production, insurance and retirement services for pastors and other church workers, and the infrastructure necessary to keep these cooperative efforts operational. Specifically, the Convention was created "to provide a general organization of Baptists in the United States and its territories for the promotion of Christian missions at home and abroad and any other objects such as Christian education, benevolent enterprises, and social services which it may deem proper and advisable for the futherance of the Kingdom of God" (SBC Constitution, Article II)."

It also says on that same page:

"Among doctrines Southern Baptists emphasize is the doctrine of local church autonomy. Article VI of the Southern Baptist Convention's confession of faith clearly states, "A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is an autonomous local congregation of baptized believers, associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the Gospel" (The Baptist Faith and Message, Article VI, The Church.)"

 

The key is coroporating churches. The churches are forced to follow the convention but there is no point in remaining in the convention if you don't agree. Several years ago the convention spoke out against IBPL and many left the SBC and went IFB because of it. Now I suspect there will be another split soon as several are saying Calvinism is harmful to the convention. 

[December]

7 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Also (warning: speculation bus!) wasn't there talk of protests at the wedding? If I walked out of my wedding to see a bunch of protestors, I'd be mighty upset too. 

 

I really hope there weren't. She's what, 23? Not responsible for all the terrible stuff done by her family or religion over the last few decades. If people want to protest the Duggars and the people/institutes they affiliate with there are so many other possible events to protest instead of a wedding. 

[grandmadugger]

6 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Also (warning: speculation bus!) wasn't there talk of protests at the wedding? If I walked out of my wedding to see a bunch of protestors, I'd be mighty upset too. 

There was at least one screenshot from the morning of the wedding where someone suggested protests. So it is possible that happened. It was my gut reaction when I saw the "crying " photo and I hope I am proved wrong. No matter how much I disagree with their beliefs everyone should be able to wed and grieve without protests. 

[sj3339sta]

18 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

She wasn't being defensive, she was just explaining. The church they were attending for a long time had no official pastor, but had elders. Jim Bob was just one of the elders. Men from the church could decide to share a message. No one really knows where they are going now, there is no reason to think that they suddenly decided to stop attending some sort of church service after all these years. 

Again, not defending fundamentalism, just explaining that your impression seems to be wrong and it wasn't just the Jim Bob show. 

It's the Bill Gothard show, perpetuated by JB and many others.

[2manyKidzzz]

30 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Also (warning: speculation bus!) wasn't there talk of protests at the wedding? If I walked out of my wedding to see a bunch of protestors, I'd be mighty upset too. 

I totally missed any reference to protests at the wedding....and I did read alll the wedding threads. What was the talk, if I may?

[Captain Obvious]

3 hours ago, Palimpsest said:

Speaking of Jinger and Jeremy's honeymoon plans - IBLP's Australian Centre is in the suburbs of Melbourne and the New Zealand HQ is the ArahinaTraining Centre in Marton.  I wonder whether they will be hosted by IBLP members and Jeremy will do a bit of preaching.   

That Melbourne IBLP centre is in Lilydale,  which is a good hour from the CBD and nowhere near anything touristy apart from wineries... so I can't see them making the trip. 

In any case, since the IBLP has been selling off its properties I wouldn't be that confident that they are even operating in Australia any more, even if the IBLP still lists Aus locations.

Out of interest, I did look up various directories to see if there were any Australian IFB-type conservative churches in Sydney. The ones I did find seemed heavily Filipino/East Asian/Pacific Islander, for some reason.

For that reason, I wouldn't be surprised if they just make do with a fundie-lite church or megachurch, of which there are many, or skip church altogether.

3 hours ago, Gobsmacked said:

My cousin lives in the Blue Mountains and wears sturdy walking boots when out and about. The snakes are just starting to wake up.

I live there and I won't even go in the back part of our garden. I've never actually seen any snakes there but we're only a few metres from the national park so I'm not taking that risk.

But then again I didn't grow up there and my husband (who did) just laughs at my nervousness. He's like "oh, the shed's full of redbacks", and I'm like "fuck that shit". 

2 hours ago, Kangaroo said:

If they actually headed into the bush IfI they just head up to Katoomba and The Three Sisters lookout you can easily get away with thongs. Hell even if they went to "Scenic World" things would be fine. Way too many hoards of tourists and paved walkways should do the trick.

This is why it seems like an odd honeymoon choice to me. Sure, there are a few things she'll like in Sydney (harbour/kangaroos/sunshine/shopping/coffee), but a lot of the attraction in Sydney comes from looking at views from high up - not great if you're afraid of heights as Jinger is.

And the Blue Mountains attraction is basically Look at All These Views From High Up. Scenic World is spectacular but I can't see her really enjoying it. My mum had a panic attack on the plummeting-train-ride-down the mountain thing, and she doesn't usually get vertigo, so Jinger isn't going to fare any better.

I just hope that this is actually what Jinger wanted and she hasn't been forced into it by Jeremy or TLC.

[brookeb82]

Cute. But they had to marry before they could do it.

[Coconut Flan]

Jeremy isn't IFB or IBLP/ATI.  The church he's currently affiliated with is non-denominational.  They'll probably be at home in many different churches or at least he will be.  Jinger's had quite a bit of SBC experience and some non-denom so they should be fine.

[HarryPotterFan]

3 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

Man-buns are tomorrow's mullets.  Everyone will look back and say, seriously, what made us think that looked good on anyone?

My mom asked me why man buns are a thing. I didn't know how to answer.

[2manyKidzzz]

2 minutes ago, Coconut Flan said:

Jeremy isn't IFB or IBLP/ATI.  The church he's currently affiliated with is non-denominational.  They'll probably be at home in many different churches or at least he will be.  Jinger's had quite a bit of SBC experience and some non-denom so they should be fine.

But he is still fundie, just not an affiliated fundie? I was not raised, and have no knowledge of this so it I don't get this specifically. And I guess the "evangelizing" part are the ministries we saw when we saw the tour of Jeremy's church, I guess this would be how it is done. Single mothers, and such. I think Jinger will be busy with this. And I'm assuming there will only be shower racks that are firmly secure to the wall/stall. 

[Gobsmacked]

4 minutes ago, HarryPotterFan said:

My mom asked me why man buns are a thing. I didn't know how to answer.

Game of thrones and Vikings!

[Coconut Flan]

Fundie is not a one size fits all description.  It's kind of a spectrum for me at least.  So you have super super uber fundies through we live in the real world fundies who some of us call fundie-lite and others reject that term.  I need more time watching Jeremy before I for sure  place him on the scale.

[foreign fundie]

I do not wish for anyone to have their wedding disturbed by paperazzi or protesters. But let's get the facts straight.

1. You are a reality star

2. You openly proclaim controversial beliefs on sensitive topics

3. You have the intimate moments of your relationship filmed and broadcasted for money/ ministry

4. Your show has recently been plagued by a scandal or two

5. You invite 1000 people, including a scandal ridden brother and several controversial families, one of whom is also on TV.

Considering all this, they should thank their lucky stars for the relative privicy they had and that they were able to keep so much of it secret. If there would have been massive protests, an army of paperazzi and lots of leaks from guests, it would have been no surprise, and they would have no one to blame but themselves. 

They can choose to live out of the limelight. It is very easy. I have done it all my life, although a show about my family would be infinitely more interesting than counting on. But I needed no police at my wedding and on my honeymoon I was not in danger of being recognised. After reading a gazillion posts on their wedding clothes I am extra thankful for that. I am sure very little about my wedding would have been approved of by the FJ style police. And before this weekend I did not know weddings could have 'themes' and 'color schemes' and I thought the 'wedding party' was what you do after the boring bits were over.

[Terrier99]

Ahhh, finally, thank you admins for making me active again!

My thoughts:

- Jinger, I thought, looked absolutely lovely. For my own style, I'd prefer Jessa's dress because lace sleeves like Jinger's are tough with my arms. But without a full-length photo (come ON, People!) , I can say this one ranks pretty dang high. Sorry Jill.

- However, PLEASE give me Mrs. Vuolo's dress! That bad boy is right up my alley! Color-wise as well!

- The MB dresses - meh. I think if they had been more of a tea-length instead  of so long, it would have been so much better. And the shoes did NOTHING to help. Poor Joy - that color on her just does NOTHING! And although Jana's color was so bland, she is such a gorgeous girl that should looked lovely as well.

-I'm kinda feeling the blue suit on Jeremy. I can see it. Not bad.

- OK, I'm going to feel slighted if Meechelle didn't wear the Tin Man dress. It's like a tradition! Like JB's suit (probably his one and only)

- As for the crying pic, in my heart of hearts, I think it all just HIT her at that point. She's now married, she's moving out, she's headed to Texas, she's scared. And like I know I would, she just lost it. Poor girl. Had to be the same for all of them.

- Go away, Smuggar. That's all.

- In a way (mainly because I want to see how this all came together) I can't want to see the show of the wedding.

[that1blondegirl]

Jeremy isn't IFB or IBLP/ATI.  The church he's currently affiliated with is non-denominational.  They'll probably be at home in many different churches or at least he will be.  Jinger's had quite a bit of SBC experience and some non-denom so they should be fine.

I'm happy to hear his church is non-denom... is his dad non-denom as well?
Hopefully by having less of a restricted environment Jinger is able to spread her wings.

[Terrier99]

I also had this thought: Does this mean now that Jinger's little adventure into car flipping is a moot point?

[ViolaSebastian]

5 minutes ago, Terrier99 said:

I also had this thought: Does this mean now that Jinger's little adventure into car flipping is a moot point?

Were we ever given reason to believe it was anything but? 

In other news, Mrs. Vuolo's dress is even more gorgeous than the picture let on:

 

[Kangaroo]

28 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

For that reason, I wouldn't be surprised if they just make do with a fundie-lite church or megachurch, of which there are many, or skip church altogether.

Oh my god imagine if they went to Hillsong. Poor Jinger might need to leave when they start singing though. Hillsong is what I imagine these fundies want their churches to become.

[hollywood]

10 hours ago, Platipus said:

LTL, FTP, etc. 

 

Haven't seen this discussed yet, have you seen Jeremy's preaching videos? Such as this one: 

https://www.jingerandjeremy.com/2016/10/worms-rocks-rivers-praise-god/

 

He definitely has a strong charisma, his tone of voice, hand gestures and body language are perfectly suited to preach. He sounds like a reasonable guy, and even (gasp) quite hot in how passionate he is. Doesn't mean his messages aren't problematic af, but he speaks about religion in a relatable, down to earth way compared to the crap we've heard in the TTH on the show.

Miiiiles more literate and well-spoken than the Duggar males - not surprising she fell for him. It makes me happy than Jing ended up with a man who seems to have some brains at least.

He is a very good speaker. Everything Bin wants to be but never can spit out. 

[metheglyn]

1 minute ago, hollywood said:

He is a very good speaker. Everything Bin wants to be but never can spit out. 

He's certainly a hand talker!

[j-rin]

Ok my speculation over the jinger crying leaving the church is that she was shocked to see the car. Jeremy likes to surprise jinger and jinger cries when she is surprised. I think when we get to see the wedding video on tv she is going to be a mess of tears the whole day. She's a crier. 

[Captain Obvious]

9 minutes ago, Kangaroo said:

Oh my god imagine if they went to Hillsong. Poor Jinger might need to leave when they start singing though. Hillsong is what I imagine these fundies want their churches to become.

Hillsong would be ChurchPorn for them - with all the negative connotations that word would bring to them as well.

They'd love its fame, wealth and multiple ministries and offshoots, but then there's the Modern Music! Dancing to Modern Music! While Wearing Jeans! Nike!

Does anyone know what type of church Jeremy is pastor of? Does it have Christian contemporary music and allow women to wear pants, or is it more IFB style?

[backyard sylph]

I don't do social media on weekends and am still two threads back catching up, but wanted to weigh in on the look.

So, wow. Jacket and trousers beautifully tailored, perfectly chosen checked shirt, super stylish dress boots. I knew the fantasy of ankle length cuff and a double monk strap were a bit much, but the real pay-off is still pretty darned nice.

How can something so right
turn out to be
sooo wrong?

Also, Jinger looked very pretty. I certainly do prefer her without raccoon eyes.

But you all talk of the insidiousness of the Bateseses charm. Golly. Here’s the dull Duggars answer to that. Tall handsome well-dressed jock… except he is just immensely awkward on camera so far, really bad at faking naive, and probably will not fully dispel the curse of the pumpkin-headed Duggar boys, stuck in their weird rigid bubble for years to come, most likely. I don't think it matters that he appears to be somewhat vapid, though, as that could go in either column, and is therefore a neutral quality.