More Info on Doug Wilson, Pedophile Enabler

[Black Aliss]

On 11/4/2020 at 6:43 AM, Howl said:

I don't personally, but let me check in with *checks on old FJ threads* John Shrader, the world's worst missionary.  He's rumored to have an old airplane stored away, but  hasn't been able to find the key to the hangar. 

Esther had a craving for toast during her last pregnancy and she stole some parts from the plane to fix her toaster. John still does not know why his plane won't fly but he's ashamed to admit that.

Also, too, thank you for the link to the ACE universe. I did find a striking typo in their content. (I wonder if, like many secular textbook authors, they pay a bounty for typos) Specifically, I think they misspelled "Donny":

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Ronny is a malevolent scumbag. Other PACE characters make the occasional mistake (like choosing to read a book instead of pray), but Ronny's every action is either stupid or simply unprovoked, intentional evil. Ronny is a thief....

He mocks a small child for crying....

Later, Ronny crashes his motorcycle, paralyzing one of the other characters in the accident. Following this, Ronny mocks the other character for needing a wheelchair. 

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by Black Aliss

[Black Aliss]

22 hours ago, Hane said:

Spoiler alert: Alabama will be presented as utopian.

No surprise there. The latest news from Alabama is right up Wilson's alley:

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https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/alabama-police-officer-biden-voters-put-bullet-their-skull-treason/HNO2WWEIMFDTVOKIIIDENNZCBM/

 

[Howl]

23 minutes ago, Black Aliss said:

Esther had a craving for toast during her last pregnancy and she stole some parts from the plane to fix her toaster. John still does not know why his plane won't fly but he's ashamed to admit that.

In the John Shrader universe, this could easily happen!  Maybe Esther has had the key to the hangar all along, and hid it to keep her children safe from flying with John!  

 

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Alabama police officer on Biden voters: ‘Put a bullet in their skull for treason’

And now the officer is using the "I didn't say what I clearly said" defense. 

Edited November 6, 2020 by Howl

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

23 hours ago, Hane said:

Spoiler alert: Alabama will be presented as utopian.

Has he ever been to Alabama? I'm guessing not.

There are  many lovely places in Alabama (Cheaha Mountain, Falls and State Park spring to mind), but ideal sexual, economic and societal conditions......... Uh.... That would be a big Nope.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Red Hair, Black Dress

[Marmion]

14 hours ago, Ozlsn said:

As for the way women apparently show they're leaving, WTAF?

 He might have caught this scene from a reality TV show .  But even then it featured a teen on her " rumspringa " , not a baptized adult member of the Amish community .  

Spoiler

 

 

[Hane]

Ride, Sally, Ride, Chapter Four:  Narnian Snow Dance

Narnia Down South

Note: Apparently this story isn’t taking place in 2024, but some time later—there are references to “The Troubles of 2024.” Dougie isn’t clear on the date, other than the fact that the world went batshit cray after Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2023. 

Warning: This chapter was a behemoth, and I tried really hard to condense it.

Ace says to Jon, “Have you been in any of the free states in the last fifteen or so years?” A couple of problems: Dougie insists on calling the red states the “free states,” most likely because right-wing ultra conservative Christianity is accepted as the norm there and they’re “free” of any slight criticism from those even a bit left of them. Also, if Ace had been, he would have been five years old then. And how did Alabama find out about him and make his trial a cause celebre?

Jon really hasn’t, so Ace goes on, “It was the weirdest thing being out there. You know how here in Colorado I am the out-of-control radical one? The militant normal? But when I was in Alabama for that conference,, for the first time in many years, I felt surrounded by normal people, hundreds of them. Completely surrounded by the kind of people you only read about in books. And I was the one who was still half a bubble off. They were all very nice to me, and they had me there to address their conference because of the stand we are taking here, but inside my head I felt like I had popped out into the middle of the Narnian snow dance.”

Jon is amazed that Ace has read The Chronicles of Narnia, which had been banned by the Colorado Human Rights Commission because The Horse and His Boy mentioned that the way the character Lewis treated the Calormenes (an imaginary country of Middle-Eastern-seeming people) was “racist and hurtful.”

Hackers

Ace tells Jon and Stephanie the full story of the Alabama trip. Ace’s speech there had been “sexual energy in culture.” His thesis was based on Chesterton: “His idea was a distinction between disciplined cultures, repressed cultures, and dissolute cultures. There is a tendency, Ace said, for repressed cultures and dissolute cultures to play off each other, each one reacting to the excesses of the other.” 

Ace went on to say, “But there is a third way….Disciplined cultures use sexual energy the same way a giant earth-moving machine uses hydraulic fluid.  All of it is channeled and focused—when it stays inside the system, there are very few things one of those machines can’t lift.” (Because, naturally, human sexuality is so easily described. Notice that Dougie doesn’t even entertain the possibility that Christian patriarchy is a “repressed culture.)” Of course his audience had a simultaneous, explosive orgasm over this deathless oration.

As the throng lines up for the privilege of shaking Ace’s hand, he meets a thirty-year-old guy named Thomas Murray, who invites him to his office for a chat. Ace gets the flutters because Thomas quotes a Latin line from Wodehouse, showing that they’re destined to be besties. (Ace won’t be flying back to Colorado till late the next day as “There were a lot fewer flights to Denver now, for some reason.” Because NO ONE wants to go to a reeking hellhole full of liberals.) As Ace’s guard Officer Neil (the other officer had taken off for some reason, because Liberals Have No Morals) checks out the office for any means by which Ace could escape, there’s plenty of time for Dougie to poke fun at the officer for not knowing a Biblical reference that’s lobbed at him. “Bible knowledge was not a thing in Colorado.” Last time I checked, Colorado Springs is a huge hub for megachurches, but WTF do I know.

Thomas refers to C.S. Lewis’s The Abolition of Man, whose final chapter posits a dystopian near-future in which the majority is ruled by a small minority that uses the mastery of psychology to control them—hence, the Evil Liberal Overlords who are selling sex dolls and legalizing weed in Colorado. (Note:  C.S. Lewis was a Christian theologian who wrote The Chronicles of Narnia, Mere Christianity, and other works.) He recommends this book and one called A Theological History of the Troubles of 2024. He tells Ace that he’ll have to tear off the covers to sneak them into Colorado Because Censorship. (Let me pause here to point out that we Evil Liberals aren’t really big on banning books, and more into pointing out what’s wrong with them. It’s the Super-Christian Mommies with too much time on their hands who are the ones trying to get Harry Potter chucked out of the school library.)

Thomas goes on to tell Ace about what led to these Troubles—the coming together of three guys: John Henry, a charismatic Reformed Christian preacher; Tony DiAngelo, an anti-contraception Catholic (who talked about “demographic winter” and invited couples to “throw their birth control gizmos into the bonfire” at his talks—I can see the gals yanking out their IUDs and Norplants from here!), and Allen Jansen, a former Albertan oilman who was chased out of Canada to North Dakota. (The martyr complex is laid on thick here.) The oilman cut deals with the governors of conservative states to oppose the federal government and allow the construction of pipelines to the Gulf. Thomas says, “Jansen arranged for all these governments to not hassle him if he openly advertised some pretty eccentric—for that time—hiring requirements. They are all pretty standard now, though. He would give bonuses to married men who had at least three children under the age of ten, and he would give additional bonuses for his employees for staying married, and also for additional children. And the base pay was such that the wives and mothers could stay home.” Sure. OK.

But, wait! There’s more! Thomas continues, “The cherry on top was the utter collapse of Darwinism, at least in our heartland states, and in most of eastern Europe.” Ace bemoans the fact that he had to take a mandatory Darwin course in college. (Yeah, I know.  I don’t know a single person who has ever had to do this.)  He mentions “regular scientists” turning against evolution because of findings of dinosaur skeletons with soft tissue on them. (I guess everything about paleontology, carbon dating, and geology just went down the chute.) And sexual license is keeping everybody distracted from What’s Really Going On, somehow turning everyone into powerless geldings and oxen.

Thomas tells an anecdote about his grandmother, who at one time had only four of the nine kids she’d eventually have. A woman said to her, “Don’t you know what causes all this?” and Grandma replied, “Why, yes, we do. And it looks like I’m getting a lot more of it than you are.” Haw haw haw.

Thomas posits, “Sex multiplies when it is restricted….When sex is everywhere, when everything is sexualized, what happens is that actual sex starts to evaporate….When you drive through the blue states, you are confronted with it everywhere—billboards, ads on gas pumps, porn in gas stations, mandatory sex ed in all those grades, and all the pride marches. Lots and lots of talk.” Jesus Christ, Dougie.  I live in the deep blue Northeast.  I have seen damn little of all the sex ads he’s going on about. The places that don’t bother with sex education are the ones with the highest teen pregnancy rates and sexual activity, but WTF do I know. And the pride marches I’ve been do have been about as racy as a church fair.

 Ace and Thomas discuss the peculiar phenomenon found in Alabaman shopping malls: strollers everywhere, full of babies.

“After the Troubles, a number of dramatic changes occurred in our states….Porn was outlawed, and became very difficult to obtain….Once women rediscovered what they are for, it was not long after that that men rediscovered what they are for. And what they are for is protection and provision. Once the protection of women was back in place, the population exploded.” JFC. There is chat about the difference between “putting women in their place” and “allowing women to find their place,” and how blissful all the stroller-pushing mommies at the mall looked.

Thomas has a report that indicates that each of the 1.4 million sex dolls sold in the blue states has been used an average of three times, proving that “the repressed states are liberated, and getting a lot of it, and the liberated states are repressed, and hardly getting any.”

[katilac]

On 11/4/2020 at 10:04 PM, Hane said:

  After he leaves her, Sara notices he’s left her five hundred-dollar bills.

Kind of a dick move to keep that money if she has a comfortable inheritance. If she returns it in later chapters, please let us know ?

On 11/5/2020 at 11:35 AM, Hane said:

Spoiler alert: Alabama will be presented as utopian.

We used to visit someone in Alabama on the regular, and the crazy religious billboards were just as reliable as the official state line. 

19 hours ago, Marmion said:

I believe that he's referring to this group in particular .  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaverland_Old_Order_Mennonite_Conference  From the article  

 Just for fun , here are some pictures of Old Order Mennonites , that I have found .  

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I was coming to post something similar - he picked the most stereotypical Amish name possible. 

[katilac]

 

16 minutes ago, Hane said:

 Thomas says, “Jansen arranged for all these governments to not hassle him if he openly advertised some pretty eccentric—for that time—hiring requirements. They are all pretty standard now, though. He would give bonuses to married men who had at least three children under the age of ten, and he would give additional bonuses for his employees for staying married, and also for additional children. And the base pay was such that the wives and mothers could stay home.” Sure. OK.

 

Once women rediscovered what they are for, it was not long after that that men rediscovered what they are for. And what they are for is protection and provision. Once the protection of women was back in place, the population exploded.” 

Thomas has a report that indicates that each of the 1.4 million sex dolls sold in the blue states has been used an average of three times, proving that “the repressed states are liberated, and getting a lot of it, and the liberated states are repressed, and hardly getting any.”

Screw all you families with three kids OVER ten, apparently.

I will say that my dh works in a very old-fashioned industry, and they gave him a big ol' raise when I got pregnant. And were very open about the fact that, yes, that is what the raise was for. I have college-aged kids, so not that far back in time. 

The idea of people discovering "what they are for" is so gross. 

How do they know how often a sex doll has been used? Are they relying on polling data? We've seen how unreliable that is, lol. Does the doll have a sensor that alerts the company every time it's fucked, like my printer alerts the company every time I print a page? Does disabling the sensor void the warranty? Inquiring minds want to know. 

[Dana723]

57 minutes ago, Hane said:

Ride, Sally, Ride, Chapter Four:  Narnian Snow Dance

Narnia Down South

Note: Apparently this story isn’t taking place in 2024, but some time later—there are references to “The Troubles of 2024.” Dougie isn’t clear on the date, other than the fact that the world went batshit cray after Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2023. 

Warning: This chapter was a behemoth, and I tried really hard to condense it.

Ace says to Jon, “Have you been in any of the free states in the last fifteen or so years?” A couple of problems: Dougie insists on calling the red states the “free states,” most likely because right-wing ultra conservative Christianity is accepted as the norm there and they’re “free” of any slight criticism from those even a bit left of them. Also, if Ace had been, he would have been five years old then. And how did Alabama find out about him and make his trial a cause celebre?

Jon really hasn’t, so Ace goes on, “It was the weirdest thing being out there. You know how here in Colorado I am the out-of-control radical one? The militant normal? But when I was in Alabama for that conference,, for the first time in many years, I felt surrounded by normal people, hundreds of them. Completely surrounded by the kind of people you only read about in books. And I was the one who was still half a bubble off. They were all very nice to me, and they had me there to address their conference because of the stand we are taking here, but inside my head I felt like I had popped out into the middle of the Narnian snow dance.”

Jon is amazed that Ace has read The Chronicles of Narnia, which had been banned by the Colorado Human Rights Commission because The Horse and His Boy mentioned that the way the character Lewis treated the Calormenes (an imaginary country of Middle-Eastern-seeming people) was “racist and hurtful.”

Hackers

Ace tells Jon and Stephanie the full story of the Alabama trip. Ace’s speech there had been “sexual energy in culture.” His thesis was based on Chesterton: “His idea was a distinction between disciplined cultures, repressed cultures, and dissolute cultures. There is a tendency, Ace said, for repressed cultures and dissolute cultures to play off each other, each one reacting to the excesses of the other.” 

Ace went on to say, “But there is a third way….Disciplined cultures use sexual energy the same way a giant earth-moving machine uses hydraulic fluid.  All of it is channeled and focused—when it stays inside the system, there are very few things one of those machines can’t lift.” (Because, naturally, human sexuality is so easily described. Notice that Dougie doesn’t even entertain the possibility that Christian patriarchy is a “repressed culture.)” Of course his audience had a simultaneous, explosive orgasm over this deathless oration.

As the throng lines up for the privilege of shaking Ace’s hand, he meets a thirty-year-old guy named Thomas Murray, who invites him to his office for a chat. Ace gets the flutters because Thomas quotes a Latin line from Wodehouse, showing that they’re destined to be besties. (Ace won’t be flying back to Colorado till late the next day as “There were a lot fewer flights to Denver now, for some reason.” Because NO ONE wants to go to a reeking hellhole full of liberals.) As Ace’s guard Officer Neil (the other officer had taken off for some reason, because Liberals Have No Morals) checks out the office for any means by which Ace could escape, there’s plenty of time for Dougie to poke fun at the officer for not knowing a Biblical reference that’s lobbed at him. “Bible knowledge was not a thing in Colorado.” Last time I checked, Colorado Springs is a huge hub for megachurches, but WTF do I know.

Thomas refers to C.S. Lewis’s The Abolition of Man, whose final chapter posits a dystopian near-future in which the majority is ruled by a small minority that uses the mastery of psychology to control them—hence, the Evil Liberal Overlords who are selling sex dolls and legalizing weed in Colorado. (Note:  C.S. Lewis was a Christian theologian who wrote The Chronicles of Narnia, Mere Christianity, and other works.) He recommends this book and one called A Theological History of the Troubles of 2024. He tells Ace that he’ll have to tear off the covers to sneak them into Colorado Because Censorship. (Let me pause here to point out that we Evil Liberals aren’t really big on banning books, and more into pointing out what’s wrong with them. It’s the Super-Christian Mommies with too much time on their hands who are the ones trying to get Harry Potter chucked out of the school library.)

Thomas goes on to tell Ace about what led to these Troubles—the coming together of three guys: John Henry, a charismatic Reformed Christian preacher; Tony DiAngelo, an anti-contraception Catholic (who talked about “demographic winter” and invited couples to “throw their birth control gizmos into the bonfire” at his talks—I can see the gals yanking out their IUDs and Norplants from here!), and Allen Jansen, a former Albertan oilman who was chased out of Canada to North Dakota. (The martyr complex is laid on thick here.) The oilman cut deals with the governors of conservative states to oppose the federal government and allow the construction of pipelines to the Gulf. Thomas says, “Jansen arranged for all these governments to not hassle him if he openly advertised some pretty eccentric—for that time—hiring requirements. They are all pretty standard now, though. He would give bonuses to married men who had at least three children under the age of ten, and he would give additional bonuses for his employees for staying married, and also for additional children. And the base pay was such that the wives and mothers could stay home.” Sure. OK.

But, wait! There’s more! Thomas continues, “The cherry on top was the utter collapse of Darwinism, at least in our heartland states, and in most of eastern Europe.” Ace bemoans the fact that he had to take a mandatory Darwin course in college. (Yeah, I know.  I don’t know a single person who has ever had to do this.)  He mentions “regular scientists” turning against evolution because of findings of dinosaur skeletons with soft tissue on them. (I guess everything about paleontology, carbon dating, and geology just went down the chute.) And sexual license is keeping everybody distracted from What’s Really Going On, somehow turning everyone into powerless geldings and oxen.

Thomas tells an anecdote about his grandmother, who at one time had only four of the nine kids she’d eventually have. A woman said to her, “Don’t you know what causes all this?” and Grandma replied, “Why, yes, we do. And it looks like I’m getting a lot more of it than you are.” Haw haw haw.

Thomas posits, “Sex multiplies when it is restricted….When sex is everywhere, when everything is sexualized, what happens is that actual sex starts to evaporate….When you drive through the blue states, you are confronted with it everywhere—billboards, ads on gas pumps, porn in gas stations, mandatory sex ed in all those grades, and all the pride marches. Lots and lots of talk.” Jesus Christ, Dougie.  I live in the deep blue Northeast.  I have seen damn little of all the sex ads he’s going on about. The places that don’t bother with sex education are the ones with the highest teen pregnancy rates and sexual activity, but WTF do I know. And the pride marches I’ve been do have been about as racy as a church fair.

 Ace and Thomas discuss the peculiar phenomenon found in Alabaman shopping malls: strollers everywhere, full of babies.

“After the Troubles, a number of dramatic changes occurred in our states….Porn was outlawed, and became very difficult to obtain….Once women rediscovered what they are for, it was not long after that that men rediscovered what they are for. And what they are for is protection and provision. Once the protection of women was back in place, the population exploded.” JFC. There is chat about the difference between “putting women in their place” and “allowing women to find their place,” and how blissful all the stroller-pushing mommies at the mall looked.

Thomas has a report that indicates that each of the 1.4 million sex dolls sold in the blue states has been used an average of three times, proving that “the repressed states are liberated, and getting a lot of it, and the liberated states are repressed, and hardly getting any.”

What - and I cannot stress this enough - the HELL did I just read?

[Xan]

My goodness.  Dougie is very full of himself, isn't he?  Just tossing around those concepts and spitting on Darwin...  I bet he pushed back from the computer and read what he wrote and just smiled.

Honestly, Hane, I don't think I could read this so my hat is off to you.  He is insufferable.  He thinks he's "disciplined" and figures that that's the problem with modern life.  If we were all controlled and disciplined, we could achieve so much more.  And if we weren't surrounded by pornography -- like where?  I'm missing out on this -- we'd all have better sex drives and makes lots of babies.

I'll be curious if this book ever deals with children.  My trouble with what I consider to be dystopian novels like this and like Atlas Shrugged is that they just skip over the part about actually raising children.  They want this perfect future where people behave in certain ways but they don't pay attention to where these disciplined adults originate.  I guess in Dougie's case, that little housewife who he's keeping in the kitchen in handling that for him.

Argh.

 

[Howl]

1 hour ago, Hane said:

Of course his audience had a simultaneous, explosive orgasm over this deathless oration.

I can see it now...

1 hour ago, Hane said:

He mentions “regular scientists” turning against evolution because of findings of dinosaur skeletons with soft tissue on them.

Sorry, Doug, regular scientists haven't turned against evolution because of soft tissue findings, although they do find it fascinating. 

Scientists Find Soft Tissue in 75-Million-Year-Old Dinosaur Bones   In a pile of unpromising dinosaur fossils dug up in Canada a century ago, British scientists find soft tissue materials preserved for some 75 million years.

Like lots of fundy folk, he lives in a bubble of profound ignorance, while indulging in a fevered fantasy life about what actual non-fundy people believe. 

[Hane]

@katilac, yes—apparently some unnamed high-tech-type people were able to hack into a system that keeps track of the sexbots’ activity. It’s hinted that these folks work for the Righteous Red-Staters.

@Howl, Dougie is indeed tying himself in knots to justify the “logic” of The Way Things Are Supposed To Be.

@Xan, there is no mention of children as actual people in this book, and women only exist as The Ladies’ Auxiliary of the Human Race (thank you, feminist foremothers of the ‘70s). 

[Columbia]

5 hours ago, Dana723 said:

After the Troubles, a number of dramatic changes occurred in our states….Porn was outlawed, and became very difficult to obtain….Once women rediscovered what they are for, it was not long after that that men rediscovered what they are for. And what they are for is protection and provision. Once the protection of women was back in place, the population exploded.” JFC. There is chat about the difference between “putting women in their place” and “allowing women to find their place,” and how blissful all the stroller-pushing mommies at the mall looked.

 

Let the record show that the men who are most likely to talk about the importance of protecting women are also the least likely to actually do it when the rubber meets the road. Like Doug Wilson who protects pedophiles. 

[Ozlsn]

7 hours ago, Xan said:

My trouble with what I consider to be dystopian novels like this and like Atlas Shrugged is that they just skip over the part about actually raising children

My main trouble with Atlas Shrugged was that I found it badly written and boring tbh. And that was after I read the Martha Washington comic based on the story (which was a total WTAF moment - I started the book to try and work out the robots, but it irritated me so much I stopped.) 

Also yes, they do skip over the actual work of raising children because the authors don't do it and have no idea what it involves. One kid, ten kids - all the same, right?

I am now curious about the healthcare aspect of the salary increase for 3 kids under 10 though - obviously Doug would be going with the One True Healthcare System where the employer pays rather than the way most of the rest of the world does it. Do they mention if the Totally Repressed But With Sex Robots, Dope and hate speech legislation States have universal health coverage? 

8 hours ago, Dana723 said:

Thomas has a report that indicates that each of the 1.4 million sex dolls sold in the blue states has been used an average of three times, proving that “the repressed states are liberated, and getting a lot of it, and the liberated states are repressed, and hardly getting any.”

I'm confused. So the blue states = the liberated states? And they are claiming that use of these sex dolls equates to sexual activity overall? No, Doug, that is not how it works. One kink does not equate to all sexual behaviour. You need a much better survey Thomas, that one seems bizarrely biased (comparing number of children to sex doll use?!) - and now I kind of want to know how many times these dolls are used in the red states. You know they have them and the data is there...

Also 1.4 million dolls sold - over what time period? This report is annoying me now. How are we supposed to work out if they are a popular, mainstream item versus a niche kink without this information? Dammit Doug, how am I going to understand this world building without complete information? Heh.

 

[Petronella]

11 hours ago, Hane said:

Ride, Sally, Ride, Chapter Four:  Narnian Snow Dance

Narnia Down South

Note: Apparently this story isn’t taking place in 2024, but some time later—there are references to “The Troubles of 2024.” Dougie isn’t clear on the date, other than the fact that the world went batshit cray after Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2023. 

Warning: This chapter was a behemoth, and I tried really hard to condense it.

Ace says to Jon, “Have you been in any of the free states in the last fifteen or so years?” A couple of problems: Dougie insists on calling the red states the “free states,” most likely because right-wing ultra conservative Christianity is accepted as the norm there and they’re “free” of any slight criticism from those even a bit left of them. Also, if Ace had been, he would have been five years old then. And how did Alabama find out about him and make his trial a cause celebre?

Jon really hasn’t, so Ace goes on, “It was the weirdest thing being out there. You know how here in Colorado I am the out-of-control radical one? The militant normal? But when I was in Alabama for that conference,, for the first time in many years, I felt surrounded by normal people, hundreds of them. Completely surrounded by the kind of people you only read about in books. And I was the one who was still half a bubble off. They were all very nice to me, and they had me there to address their conference because of the stand we are taking here, but inside my head I felt like I had popped out into the middle of the Narnian snow dance.”

Jon is amazed that Ace has read The Chronicles of Narnia, which had been banned by the Colorado Human Rights Commission because The Horse and His Boy mentioned that the way the character Lewis treated the Calormenes (an imaginary country of Middle-Eastern-seeming people) was “racist and hurtful.”

Hackers

Ace tells Jon and Stephanie the full story of the Alabama trip. Ace’s speech there had been “sexual energy in culture.” His thesis was based on Chesterton: “His idea was a distinction between disciplined cultures, repressed cultures, and dissolute cultures. There is a tendency, Ace said, for repressed cultures and dissolute cultures to play off each other, each one reacting to the excesses of the other.” 

Ace went on to say, “But there is a third way….Disciplined cultures use sexual energy the same way a giant earth-moving machine uses hydraulic fluid.  All of it is channeled and focused—when it stays inside the system, there are very few things one of those machines can’t lift.” (Because, naturally, human sexuality is so easily described. Notice that Dougie doesn’t even entertain the possibility that Christian patriarchy is a “repressed culture.)” Of course his audience had a simultaneous, explosive orgasm over this deathless oration.

As the throng lines up for the privilege of shaking Ace’s hand, he meets a thirty-year-old guy named Thomas Murray, who invites him to his office for a chat. Ace gets the flutters because Thomas quotes a Latin line from Wodehouse, showing that they’re destined to be besties. (Ace won’t be flying back to Colorado till late the next day as “There were a lot fewer flights to Denver now, for some reason.” Because NO ONE wants to go to a reeking hellhole full of liberals.) As Ace’s guard Officer Neil (the other officer had taken off for some reason, because Liberals Have No Morals) checks out the office for any means by which Ace could escape, there’s plenty of time for Dougie to poke fun at the officer for not knowing a Biblical reference that’s lobbed at him. “Bible knowledge was not a thing in Colorado.” Last time I checked, Colorado Springs is a huge hub for megachurches, but WTF do I know.

Thomas refers to C.S. Lewis’s The Abolition of Man, whose final chapter posits a dystopian near-future in which the majority is ruled by a small minority that uses the mastery of psychology to control them—hence, the Evil Liberal Overlords who are selling sex dolls and legalizing weed in Colorado. (Note:  C.S. Lewis was a Christian theologian who wrote The Chronicles of Narnia, Mere Christianity, and other works.) He recommends this book and one called A Theological History of the Troubles of 2024. He tells Ace that he’ll have to tear off the covers to sneak them into Colorado Because Censorship. (Let me pause here to point out that we Evil Liberals aren’t really big on banning books, and more into pointing out what’s wrong with them. It’s the Super-Christian Mommies with too much time on their hands who are the ones trying to get Harry Potter chucked out of the school library.)

Thomas goes on to tell Ace about what led to these Troubles—the coming together of three guys: John Henry, a charismatic Reformed Christian preacher; Tony DiAngelo, an anti-contraception Catholic (who talked about “demographic winter” and invited couples to “throw their birth control gizmos into the bonfire” at his talks—I can see the gals yanking out their IUDs and Norplants from here!), and Allen Jansen, a former Albertan oilman who was chased out of Canada to North Dakota. (The martyr complex is laid on thick here.) The oilman cut deals with the governors of conservative states to oppose the federal government and allow the construction of pipelines to the Gulf. Thomas says, “Jansen arranged for all these governments to not hassle him if he openly advertised some pretty eccentric—for that time—hiring requirements. They are all pretty standard now, though. He would give bonuses to married men who had at least three children under the age of ten, and he would give additional bonuses for his employees for staying married, and also for additional children. And the base pay was such that the wives and mothers could stay home.” Sure. OK.

But, wait! There’s more! Thomas continues, “The cherry on top was the utter collapse of Darwinism, at least in our heartland states, and in most of eastern Europe.” Ace bemoans the fact that he had to take a mandatory Darwin course in college. (Yeah, I know.  I don’t know a single person who has ever had to do this.)  He mentions “regular scientists” turning against evolution because of findings of dinosaur skeletons with soft tissue on them. (I guess everything about paleontology, carbon dating, and geology just went down the chute.) And sexual license is keeping everybody distracted from What’s Really Going On, somehow turning everyone into powerless geldings and oxen.

Thomas tells an anecdote about his grandmother, who at one time had only four of the nine kids she’d eventually have. A woman said to her, “Don’t you know what causes all this?” and Grandma replied, “Why, yes, we do. And it looks like I’m getting a lot more of it than you are.” Haw haw haw.

Thomas posits, “Sex multiplies when it is restricted….When sex is everywhere, when everything is sexualized, what happens is that actual sex starts to evaporate….When you drive through the blue states, you are confronted with it everywhere—billboards, ads on gas pumps, porn in gas stations, mandatory sex ed in all those grades, and all the pride marches. Lots and lots of talk.” Jesus Christ, Dougie.  I live in the deep blue Northeast.  I have seen damn little of all the sex ads he’s going on about. The places that don’t bother with sex education are the ones with the highest teen pregnancy rates and sexual activity, but WTF do I know. And the pride marches I’ve been do have been about as racy as a church fair.

 Ace and Thomas discuss the peculiar phenomenon found in Alabaman shopping malls: strollers everywhere, full of babies.

“After the Troubles, a number of dramatic changes occurred in our states….Porn was outlawed, and became very difficult to obtain….Once women rediscovered what they are for, it was not long after that that men rediscovered what they are for. And what they are for is protection and provision. Once the protection of women was back in place, the population exploded.” JFC. There is chat about the difference between “putting women in their place” and “allowing women to find their place,” and how blissful all the stroller-pushing mommies at the mall looked.

Thomas has a report that indicates that each of the 1.4 million sex dolls sold in the blue states has been used an average of three times, proving that “the repressed states are liberated, and getting a lot of it, and the liberated states are repressed, and hardly getting any.”

Holy shit. I’m speechless.

[Hane]

@Ozlsn, there’s not so much as a hint about the concept of universal health coverage in this book—that wouldn’t fit in with the argument of Dougie’s narrative. The “liberated states”=the red states. (Yeah, this confuses the heck out of me, too.) And don’t forget, there are *no* sex dolls in the red states because porn is illegal there! For people who don’t want government all up in their business, Dougie et al are certainly cool with monitoring what goes on in people’s bedrooms.

[Howl]

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Ace’s speech there had been “sexual energy in culture.” His thesis was based on Chesterton: “His idea was a distinction between disciplined cultures, repressed cultures, and dissolute cultures...

So here's the deal.  Ace is a young (presumably) virginal male.  What would he know about sexual energy of any kind, except his own repressed sexuality? 

And this? This makes zero sense. 

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Ace went on to say, “But there is a third way….Disciplined cultures use sexual energy the same way a giant earth-moving machine uses hydraulic fluid.  All of it is channeled and focused—when it stays inside the system, there are very few things one of those machines can’t lift.”

I mean if you're trying to make a parallel between the power of hydraulics and sex, hydraulics don't ejaculate and that's just for starters. 

I'm gonna sit down with my tea brewed with TWO bags of Irish Breakfast, and think about other things for a bit. 

[Hane]

Silly @Howl! Don’t you realize that Fundieworld is chock full of brilliant, virginal 20-year-old Men (TM) who base their entire worldview on the musings of nineteenth-century theologians and British wits of a century ago? (Honestly, Ace is definitely Dougie’s sock puppet.)

Fun thing about morality in this book: All of it has to do with sexual behavior. All that silly New Testament Jesus stuff about giving to the poor, compassion, caring for the oppressed? Fuck that noise. The “good guys” (Ace and friends) regularly lie their shirts off, both by commission and omission. There’s a LOT of bearing false witness against one’s neighbor in pursuit of his Noble Goal. There’s a considerable amount of “Say the right prayer=bang, you’re a Christian (TM)!” and “Confess your sin and bang, it never happened!”
 

[Howl]

Also silly me for trying to make sense of the utterly nonsensical!  And yes, Doug Wilson seems rather sex obsessed or rather, obsessed with regulating sexuality, and especially with requiring that Christian wives put out for their husbands on demand, and I'm not making that up. 

And yes, Palouse Jesus*  has zero concern with what actual Jesus concerned himself with. 

*Doug Wilson's town of Moscow, Idaho is in the general region called The Palouse. 

Edited November 7, 2020 by Howl

[Black Aliss]

2 hours ago, Howl said:

I mean if you're trying to make a parallel between the power of hydraulics and sex, hydraulics don't ejaculate and that's just for starters. 

When they do ejaculate it usually ends badly. 

Spoiler

 

 

The one somewhat realistic part of this entire chapter is the bit about there being fewer flights in and out of Denver. If this plague doesn't get under control I can easily see Democratic governors of states, such as Colorado and Washington, where people are complying with CDC guidelines, restrict flights from out of state. Hawaii did this early on and it made a huge difference in infection rates.

[Howl]

2 hours ago, Black Aliss said:

If this plague doesn't get under control I can easily see Democratic governors of states, such as Colorado and Washington, where people are complying with CDC guidelines, restrict flights from out of state. Hawaii did this early on and it made a huge difference in infection rates.

I've been ranting since Day 1 about the massive importance of easily available, cheap, quick and accurate testing.  A friend is considering going to Hawaii and will get a test STAT once he's there and won't have to quarantine for 14 days if he's negative. 

Me: All air travel should be contingent on a negative Covid test taken 24 hours before boarding.  

 

2 hours ago, Black Aliss said:

When they do ejaculate it usually ends badly. 

?????  Catastrophic, even.  

[Marmion]

On 11/6/2020 at 6:00 PM, Hane said:

Ace tells Jon and Stephanie the full story of the Alabama trip. Ace’s speech there had been “sexual energy in culture.” His thesis was based on Chesterton: “His idea was a distinction between disciplined cultures, repressed cultures, and dissolute cultures. There is a tendency, Ace said, for repressed cultures and dissolute cultures to play off each other, each one reacting to the excesses of the other.” 

Ace went on to say, “But there is a third way….Disciplined cultures use sexual energy the same way a giant earth-moving machine uses hydraulic fluid.  All of it is channeled and focused—when it stays inside the system, there are very few things one of those machines can’t lift

Out of curiosity , I felt motivated to research this reference .  And I found nothing pertaining to the philosophy of Chesterton .  What I did find however was books by these two respective philosophers  { https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_Sexuality  ,  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_Culture }  , plus this essay https://www.huffpost.com/entry/channeling-sexual-energy-_b_3863147  .  I think that I could write something like a fractured rewrite of this novel (  https://www.slaphappylarry.com/what-is-a-fractured-fairytale/ ) , from a socialist feminist standpoint ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_feminism ) , and have it be better composed ,cans make more sense .  My core argument would be that bourgeois patriarchal society objectifies women into commodities { https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-objectification/ ,  https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/06/men-taught-to-objectify-women/ } , and so the development of sex robots is an illustrative example of how the woman in relation to the man is reduced to a mere possession , rather than respected as a whole person .  P.S. By the way , I found this comprehensive chapter by chapter review of this novel here . {  https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2020/09/chapter-1-review-ride-sally-ride-by-doug-wilson/  , https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2020/10/ride-sally-ride-chapter-2-here-come-the-gay-lawyers/ , https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2020/10/ride-sally-ride-chapter-3-lets-all-mennonite-bash/ , https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2020/10/ride-sally-ride-all-about-dat-booty/ , https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2020/10/ride-sally-ride-crazy-criminal-christians-causing-chaos/  ,  https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2020/10/ride-sally-ride-chapter-11-benson-aint-hedging/ , https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2020/10/ride-sally-ride-chapter-12-gonad-law/  ,  https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2020/10/ride-sally-ride-chapter-13-exploding-ankle-monitors/ }  

Edited November 7, 2020 by Marmion

[Hane]

@Marmion, thank you! I enjoyed Libby Anne’s takedowns of other “Christian” novels on Patheos in Love, Joy, Feminism, and didn’t know someone had done this one!

And, OMG—Suzanne Titkemeyer did “Serena’s Serenity,” too!

Should I continue, friends?

Edited November 8, 2020 by Hane

[Xan]

45 minutes ago, Hane said:

@Marmion, thank you! I enjoyed Libby Anne’s takedowns of other “Christian” novels on Patheos in Love, Joy, Feminism, and didn’t know someone had done this one!

And, OMG—Suzanne Titkemeyer did “Serena’s Serenity,” too!

Should I continue, friends?

It's really up to you because I'm sure Doug is hard to read and you probably have better things to do.  As for me, however, I'm enjoying your synopses and the discussions.

[Hane]

@Xan, in light of the recent election results, I think I’ll enjoy hate-massacring this book even more!

Edited November 8, 2020 by Hane