More Info on Doug Wilson, Pedophile Enabler

[Howl]

yes, please continue! 

[Letgo]

5 hours ago, Hane said:

Should I continue, friends?

Yes, please. I’m laughing out loud at this. Such poor writing. This HAS to be a self-published book. 

[Lillymuffin]

13 hours ago, Black Aliss said:

When they do ejaculate it usually ends badly. 

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I have so many questions about that. Was it bleeding before it erupted? Why did the guy just keep driving it? How come no one else batted an eye at a flaming zamboni? (Which, coincidentally, would be a kick-ass band name.) 

[Ozlsn]

16 hours ago, Hane said:

And don’t forget, there are *no* sex dolls in the red states because porn is illegal there!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Yeah, right. I can guarantee there is porn, sex dolls, brothels and prostitution in the red states. 

13 hours ago, Black Aliss said:

If this plague doesn't get under control I can easily see Democratic governors of states, such as Colorado and Washington, where people are complying with CDC guidelines, restrict flights from out of state.

I am still kind of amazed that there are still flights and interstate travel in the US to be honest. We have very few interstate flights, most state borders are still closed unless you have a permit, and anyone travelling from my state to other states has to undergo a 2 week mandatory quarantine despite us being on zero new cases/zero deaths for the 9th day in a row. Our first border to reopen will be from midnight when travel between metropolitan and regional Victoria will be allowed again - not only did we have inter-state border closures but intra-state as well. (And yay, I can see my parents in person again, for the first time since... June I think. Possibly May.)

11 hours ago, Howl said:

I've been ranting since Day 1 about the massive importance of easily available, cheap, quick and accurate testing. 

Hell yes. As well as mask mandates and support for people in quarantine so they're not tempted to break quarantine due to income loss. And sufficient PPE for people working in high risk facilities. Testing so that anyone with even mild symptoms can easily get a test, go home and have results in under 24 hours is essential.

6 hours ago, Hane said:

Should I continue, friends?

Totally! There can never be too many take downs.

[Katzchen24]

6 hours ago, Hane said:

 

Should I continue, friends?

Unless it's going to permanently emotionally scar you in some way, please do ? . Everyone sees something different in the text and your take has been very enjoyable so far.

[CaseyGrace]

when I was in school my writing teacher used to always say "show, don't tell" I feel like this book might be a bit more bearable if wilson just showed us certain things instead of just telling us. Also, why did Saras dad want her to leave?  Stephanie is kind of manic pixie dream girl-ish, I think her and Asahel might end up together in the end. this book seems so poorly written and awful thank you to Hane for talking one for the team. 

Edited November 8, 2020 by CaseyGrace

[Black Aliss]

10 hours ago, Lillymuffin said:

I have so many questions about that. Was it bleeding before it erupted? Why did the guy just keep driving it? How come no one else batted an eye at a flaming zamboni? (Which, coincidentally, would be a kick-ass band name.) 

Yes, that's hydraulic fluid and it looks like the hose burst shortly after he drove onto the ice and it dripped onto something hot. Not sure why he ignored the people who were waving their arms at him, or why he then drove the Z into what I assume is an enclosed area of the arena, unless there were fire extinguishers readily available there. I'd have left it sitting on the ice, myself.

[Marmion]

13 hours ago, Ozlsn said:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Yeah, right. I can guarantee there is porn, sex dolls, brothels and prostitution in the red states. 

  

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Red-state conservatives may insist that the rest of us should keep aspirin between our knees and be forced to bear Divine Justice Babies if we don’t. They may refuse to provide cake or flowers for gay weddings, or even to attend. They may pretend that teens won’t do it if we just don’t tell them how. They may adopt the Church Lady posture if anyone mentions sex that doesn’t involve one man, one woman, the missionary position and a pulsing desire for more offspring.

But online search traffic from behind closed doors in Jesusland suggests that the bad, nasty, sexual impulses righteous believers are trying so hard to shut down may be their own. And if Google search patterns mean anything, they’re not succeeding too well: studies consistently demonstrate that people in conservative religious states search for adult materials online far more often than people in blue states.

https://www.salon.com/2014/10/19/why_red_state_conservatives_are_the_biggest_porn_hounds_partner/    

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Americans may paint themselves in increasingly bright shades of red and blue, but new research finds one thing that varies little across the nation: the liking for online pornography.

A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.

“When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different,” says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.

However, there are some trends to be seen in the data. Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study finds.

“Some of the people who are most outraged turn out to be consumers of the very things they claimed to be outraged by,” Edelman says

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16680-porn-in-the-usa-conservatives-are-biggest-consumers/  

[Loolaa]

I just read the recaps @Marmionlinked to. We are in for a wild ride, guys!!

This is ... something else for sure.

 

Thank you, @Hanefor your heroic efforts. Do you need rescue ferrets?

[Hane]

Silly @Marmion! Don’t you realize that if the Right Kinds of Christians (TM) get voted into office in the red states, *everyone* will become super moral and give up porn and sex dolls and rush to get married and pop out tons of pretty white babies? It will be just like magic! Or Dougie’s wishful thinking. Who knows?

Oh, and regarding the Abundant Billboard Porn Dougie insists is rampant in the blue states: There are a few VIP stores (stands for “Very Intimate Pleasures”—I call them “PIV”) in my area. Local folks appealed to their zoning boards to ask the VIP folks to be discreet in their advertising (no displays in their shop windows, no boobacious models on billboards), and VIP readily agreed. And has Dougie been in Times Square any time in the last 30 or so years? It’s like a freaking ad for family-friendliness!

Edited November 9, 2020 by Hane

[Howl]

On 11/8/2020 at 12:26 AM, Letgo said:

Such poor writing. This HAS to be a self-published book. 

Doug's outfit* in Moscow, ID has a publishing arm called Canon Press, which is now a separate private company owned by Doug's son, N.D. Wilson.   

Canon Press published this book.  N.D. is a fairly prolific writer of YA fantasy fiction.  Why he let his father's drivel out the door is anyone's guess. 

*When I say outfit, Doug Wilson has a mini empire of churches, schools, a college, a "seminary", a biblical counseling center and who knows what else. 

 

[hoipolloi]

18 hours ago, Howl said:

Canon Press published this book.  N.D. is a fairly prolific writer of YA fantasy fiction.  Why he let his father's drivel out the door is anyone's guess. 

Guessing here that nobody edits Doug's work, not even N.D.

[Hane]

Ride, Sally, Ride, Chapter Five—Though Father and Mother Forsake Me

Benson and Roberta

…in which Ace’s parents kick him out of the house.  Well, actually, Benson and Roberta come to Ace’s room, where he’s reading a book by a seventeenth-century theologian named Turretin, who thought Calvin was the bee’s knees. (Dougie loves chucking in little tidbits like this, so we can see how much more Learned he is than the rest of us.) As Roberta looks on tensely, not saying a word, Benson tells Ace that, in light of Ace’s refusal to apologize for the destruction of Sally, Ace should move out. You can tell this is upsetting to Roberta, but being a Good Christian Wife, she just sits there with her yap shut.

There are many pages of theological blab in which Dougie proves that Benson is “intelligent but simple,” and that Ace is WAYYY smarter than his old man. Benson and Roberta leave, and Ace gets a phone call from Stephanie, whose father has given him some files to read. She senses his dejection, and he tells her he needs a new place to stay. They agree to meet at a coffee shop in the morning.

He gets there before her and orders a coffee for each of them. He rises as she enters.  She looks at the two coffees and says, “How thoughtful. How sweet. How presumptuous.” Because feminist cuntishness has no doubt infected her.  When he pulls out a chair for her, she accuses him of trying to make a scene out of one of those old movies “you can stream from the…bad side of town? One of those dark web movies?” Because we lefties are bound and determined to shield innocent eyes from Cary Grant and James Stewart.

It’s mentioned that, though Ace had gone to a Christian school and Stephanie had gone to a “government” school (yes, Dougie calls it exactly that), the schools had been forced to conduct sex ed courses from third grade on—so they felt a sense of “complete freedom” in discussing sexual matters. So Stephanie, in noticing Ace’s feeble attempt at getting the waitress’s attention, calls him out for “leering at that barista’s rear end.” He says he wasn’t. She says girls know when they and other girls are being checked out. Ace says such observations aren’t always infallible, then points out that lots of the women in the café are wearing tight jeans. He says that they “live in a time when the men are gawkers and the women are exhibitionists….Men have always liked looking, and women have always liked being admired….The thing that is so screwed up about our time is that women have gotten to the point there they can display themselves in a most shameless fashion, desperately competing with the porn ladies and the sexbots, all while reserving to themselves the inscrutable right to be mortally offended if some man they don’t like takes them up on their open invitation, the invitation that is being extended to everyone in the general public who has a working pair of eyes.” See, guys?  This may be a reason why it’s been several days since my last synopsis—I came damn near throwing my iPhone at the wall after reading this.

Ace tells her that he “works hard at not being a pig.” When Stephanie asks him, he admits her jeans were too tight when he first met her, but he approved of her “tailgate derriere.” (Excuse me while I run for some Pepto—I’m getting sick to my stomach.) Stephanie conflates his self control not with godliness but low testosterone. He stiffly replies, “That’s as may be. Perhaps you may want to check  with the young woman I eventually marry. If I choose wisely, she won’t tell you anything about it. But she and I will know.”  Take THAT, Stephanie, you feminist whore! But then he apologizes, and so does she, of course.

She tells him that her father is offering him their basement apartment to stay in. Out of the blue, she tells Ace she’s a virgin. He asks whether that’s because her father became a Christian when she was in high school. She says she isn’t despite her libertarianism, but she’s been thinking about it. The libertarian men have turned her off because some are interested only in women and pot, and the others are economics nerds:  She had no interest in being “the five hundredth woman for any of the first group, and even less interested in being the first woman for any of the second.”

Ace tells her he isn’t a virgin. Stephanie is surprised, and warns him that the prosecutors will be interested in the details of his sexual history. He says he’s aware of that.

As she drives home, Stephanie berates herself for telling Ace she’s a virgin—and is even more upset because she knew she wanted him to know.

Sara Arrives

Sara has found herself a nice apartment and a temp job at a law firm. She’s able to handle the phone system without attracting undue notice—the people at her office just assumed that she hadn’t used their particular phone system before, and she was a quick study. During her three weeks there, the people liked her so much they threw her a going-away party.

Connor The Evil Gay Prosecutor finds himself in need of a receptionist because his receptionist decided to take a vacation. (She gets away with this because of Colorado’s “Byzantine labor laws” and the fact that she’s the mistress of Connor’s boss.) He calls Sara’s temp agency just as she walks into the agency’s door, they offer the job, and Sara is at Connor’s office in “just under forty-five minutes.” (This convenient bit of plotting is worth of “Serena’s Serenity” itself.)  

[Ozlsn]

4 hours ago, Hane said:

Benson tells Ace that, in light of Ace’s refusal to apologize for the destruction of Sally, Ace should move out

Goodness me, being asked to leave because of criminal behaviour. How shocking. Good luck in the private rental market.

4 hours ago, Hane said:

Ace tells her that he “works hard at not being a pig.”

He's failing badly.

4 hours ago, Hane said:

Stephanie conflates his self control not with godliness but low testosterone.

Personally I think it's more to do with women being repelled by him.

4 hours ago, Hane said:

Ace tells her he isn’t a virgin.

But is he a liar? Or, of course, a rapist.

4 hours ago, Hane said:

She’s able to handle the phone system without attracting undue notice

There are many sentences I never thought I would ever read, and this is one of them.

4 hours ago, Hane said:

Sara is at Connor’s office in “just under forty-five minutes.”

Wow, a plot hammer (like a device, but they hit you over the head with it).

[Petronella]

5 hours ago, Hane said:

He gets there before her and orders a coffee for each of them. He rises as she enters.  She looks at the two coffees and says, “How thoughtful. How sweet. How presumptuous.” Because feminist cuntishness has no doubt infected her.

Ugh. It would be different if they frequently met up this way and knew each other's orders; it's quite another to cavalierly choose for her, putting it in her court to either drink something she doesn't want or to be "unappreciative" of his "just being nice." Why not just be patient and wait for her? Oh, sorry, is my feminist cuntishness coming through?

5 hours ago, Hane said:

So Stephanie, in noticing Ace’s feeble attempt at getting the waitress’s attention, calls him out for “leering at that barista’s rear end.” He says he wasn’t. She says girls know when they and other girls are being checked out. Ace says such observations aren’t always infallible, then points out that lots of the women in the café are wearing tight jeans. He says that they “live in a time when the men are gawkers and the women are exhibitionists….Men have always liked looking, and women have always liked being admired….The thing that is so screwed up about our time is that women have gotten to the point there they can display themselves in a most shameless fashion, desperately competing with the porn ladies and the sexbots, all while reserving to themselves the inscrutable right to be mortally offended if some man they don’t like takes them up on their open invitation, the invitation that is being extended to everyone in the general public who has a working pair of eyes.” See, guys?  This may be a reason why it’s been several days since my last synopsis—I came damn near throwing my iPhone at the wall after reading this.

ARGH I HATE THIS "argument" SO MUCH.

Existing with boobs and ass attached is not "an invitation." IT'S JUST NOT.

"Men have always liked looking, and women have always liked being admired"--NOPE NOPE NOPE. Depends on who's doing the looking and in what context, I promise you. (Note to Doug: "at work" is not sexytime context.)

Also, open letter to Doug Wilson: I'm not "desperately competing with the porn ladies and the sexbots," thanks. I'm just living my life.

And given that the sex bots seem to be pretty low-tech, how attractive can they be that he thinks women are "competing" with them??

5 hours ago, Hane said:

Sara has found herself a nice apartment and a temp job at a law firm. She’s able to handle the phone system without attracting undue notice—the people at her office just assumed that she hadn’t used their particular phone system before, and she was a quick study.

Sara is the former Mennonite, right? It sounds like the implication here is that Mennonites don't use phones, and that she was able to cover up her inexperience with all phones as just inexperience with this specific system. I know that Amish and Mennonites come in different varieties; is "no phones" typically a Mennonite thing? I had a Mennonite midwife with my first child (plain dress and all) and she had a phone. I'm just curious for info from anyone who knows more than me.

5 hours ago, Hane said:

He says that they “live in a time when

I'm leaving the quote unfinished because just the first part is enough to set my hair on fire. As soon as someone says "nowadays" or its equivalent I already hate what's coming after. It's nearly always the start of a comparison of a supposedly degenerate now with some supposedly pure olden days, and it betrays a depressing lack of understanding actual history, psychology, current events, and human nature.

[Zebedee]

Haha, @Petronella - I use "nowadays" - or rather, "in the olden days" all the time (I'm 41) and 99% of the time it's about how stuff now is so much better! "In the olden days" drives my mum nuts. Then again, all the young types I talk to, use "in the olden days", so I can kind of see her perspective.
 

Stephanie started off sounding quite cool. She's just beginning to sound like she's going to turn into some awful judgmental hypocrite. Which is presumably when she converts (if she does, I'm waiting for a plot twist). Why do these people make being Christian sound so deeply unappealing?

[Petronella]

2 minutes ago, Zebedee said:

Haha, @Petronella - I use "nowadays" - or rather, "in the olden days" all the time (I'm 41) and 99% of the time it's about how stuff now is so much better! "In the olden days" drives my mum nuts. Then again, all the young types I talk to, use "in the olden days", so I can kind of see her perspective.

Well, if we're talking technology or social systems or specific laws or something, I can see how that would be fitting! I think maybe I sometimes use it when talking about how information was gotten, pre-internet. You're right.

But when it's being used to describe human behaviour it makes me roll my eyes.

Our church has various members take turns leading prayers in the service, and that person gets to write them themselves, within a general structure. There was one guy who went on and on about immoral "nowadays" compared to virtuous times past, and, well, he was never asked to pray again. My husband started helping with prayers around that time, and lots of people found him at coffee hour after his first turn to thank him. They didn't specify, but I had the definite feeling it was "we're so glad it's you and not the other guy"! ?

[Zebedee]

@PetronellaI can see why they preferred your husband!
I kind of use "nowadays" about humans too. Not that I think people are different now, intrinsically, but lots of so-called unacceptable things "in the olden days" are accepted "nowadays". So, it's almost exclusively a positive comparison for me. And you're right, there's a certain type of person who uses it negatively - generally tells me who to avoid, if they think unacceptable things nowadays are increased intolerance for homophobia, racism, sexism etc.

[Xan]

Ace says such observations aren’t always infallible, then points out that lots of the women in the café are wearing tight jeans. He says that they “live in a time when the men are gawkers and the women are exhibitionists….Men have always liked looking, and women have always liked being admired….The thing that is so screwed up about our time is that women have gotten to the point there they can display themselves in a most shameless fashion, desperately competing with the porn ladies and the sexbots, all while reserving to themselves the inscrutable right to be mortally offended if some man they don’t like takes them up on their open invitation, the invitation that is being extended to everyone in the general public who has a working pair of eyes.” See, guys?  This may be a reason why it’s been several days since my last synopsis—I came damn near throwing my iPhone at the wall after reading this.

Ohmygod.  This should be one of those things that a pig like Dougie thinks but doesn't say out loud or put in print.  Would he prefer that we wear burkas?  (Never mind.  Yes, he would.  Either that or skirts to our ankles, blouses buttoned to our throats, and a nice, big sweater to smooth out all of the possibly offending upper bits.)

 

Ace tells her that he “works hard at not being a pig."

Nope.  Ace is just a pig.  I see no evidence that he attempts to be otherwise.

 

He calls Sara’s temp agency just as she walks into the agency’s door, they offer the job, and Sara is at Connor’s office in “just under forty-five minutes.” (This convenient bit of plotting is worth of “Serena’s Serenity” itself.)  

This made me laugh out loud.  There are some people (and, in my life, most of them have been men) who claim you can get anywhere either in "under 15 minutes" or "under 45 minutes".  I'm not sure if it's to make the world seem smaller and more accessible or whether it's a lead-in to a discussion on routes to drive to get this  "exceptional" time.  I've just never understood why it's a thing.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Xan

[Petronella]

7 minutes ago, Xan said:

Ohmygod.  This should be one of those things that a pig like Dougie thinks but doesn't say out loud or put in print.  Would he prefer that we wear burkas?  (Never mind.  Yes, he would.  Either that or skirts to our ankles, blouses buttoned to our throats, and a nice, big sweater to smooth out all of the possibly offending upper bits.)

This is what’s so interesting! No, I don’t think he would prefer burkas because he wants to look. He likes admiring women’s bodies. And he likes looking down on us for being so slutty. The idea of “if I’m virtuous and cover up will you respect me then?” isn’t really an option, because they don’t want a society in which they’d have to respect women. The inequality is part of the point.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Petronella

[Xan]

4 minutes ago, Petronella said:

This is what’s so interesting! No, I don’t think he would prefer burkas because he wants to look. He likes admiring women’s bodies. And he likes looking down on us for being so slutty. The idea of “if I’m virtuous and cover up will you respect me then?” isn’t really an option, because they don’t want a society in which they’d have to respect women. The inequality is part of the point.

Good point.  He couldn't feel superior if we were all covered up.  I guess that's the whole point of misogyny -- they get to feel superior to half of the human race.

[Howl]

Sometimes I get the feeling that Doug Wilson has created his entire world to work for his sexuality and  his obsession with young women's bodies and the tension with how sexuality is defined and bounded in Christianity.  

The drivel that is this book is entirely unnecessary and doesn't inform anyone about anything, except Doug and what he thinks about women, which is he wants you to know that he'd simultaneously like to be f**king anything in skirts as long as they are young and attractive, while hiding behind his altar.  He's creepy as hell. 

When you consider that he protects sexual predators, one of whom abused babies and young children and two who abused teen girls, you really have wonder what the actual f**k is deeply wrong with this man. And those predators are only the ones we know about. 

Katie Botkin, cousin to the Botkin sisters and who spent at least some time in the Doug Wilson environment, said that the young men in Christ Church were some of the most obnoxious and sexually aggressive guys she's has ever known. 

If you want to know how the Botkinetti might have turned out if their humanity and creativity hadn't been suffocated by their father beginning at birth, check out Katie's web site: kbotkin.com

[Petronella]

5 minutes ago, Howl said:

When you consider that he protects sexual predators, one of whom abused babies and young children and two who abused teen girls

Wait...babies??? Not sexually, please tell me it wasn't sexually...

[Hane]

1 hour ago, Petronella said:

Wait...babies??? Not sexually, please tell me it wasn't sexually...

It was. One of the predators whose marriage he arranged did this, and IIRC is thought to have victimized his own child.

@Petronella, Ace explains his pre-ordering the two coffees by saying they were small enough that he could have drunk them both in case Stephanie hadn’t shown up or had wanted something else, but I didn’t want to bother chucking in yet another instance of his/Dougie’s smugness.

Ace talks and acts like a 55-year-old privileged white guy who *knows* he’s doing everyone a favor by bestowing his refined and intellectual worldview on us all. It’s a sign of Dougie’s delusion that he puts himself in the persona of the brash young 20-year-old hero instead of a 50-something secondary character.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Hane

[Columbia]

You know, this coffee shop scene is a great example of overall patriarchal views of women: small external formalities of kindness (buying the coffee, pulling out the chair to sit down) but with a deeper overall spirit of disdain and dislike. Think of Doug Phillips’ Titanic Society lauding the men who gave up their seats on lifeboats for women and children, while Dougie is simultaneously grooming the nanny. In the hands of a skillful writer this passage could be used to explore the contrast between someone who says they’re not a pig but really is, and someone who actually isn’t. Wilson is not a skillful writer, and doesn’t care two shakes about women, but he’s inadvertently made an excellent example of hypocrisy and false repentance that would do nicely in a sermon, if Wilson ever cared to think about anything other than himself.