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@Columbia, whenever I think of DPIARBT and his boner for the Titanic tragedy, I’m reminded of this article comparing the Titanic and Lusitania disasters. The “courtly” women-and-children-first Titanic behavior he touts was only possible because the Titanic went down rather slowly—nearly three hours vs. 18 minutes, which dictated people’s behavior.

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4 hours ago, Xan said:

Good point.  He couldn't feel superior if we were all covered up.  I guess that's the whole point of misogyny -- they get to feel superior to half of the human race.

Yes. That’s why he makes such a point of Sara the Former Mennonite getting a makeover from Stephanie. Sara has to have a pure, virginal Christian past, a perfect platform from which she can be re-manufactured as The Right Kind of Christian (TM)—aka Dougie’s exact brand of Presbyterianism.

Also, women in Dougie’s world are only worthy of the high privilege of his chivalry if they follow the strict norms he sets out for their attitudes and behavior.

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3 hours ago, Columbia said:

You know, this coffee shop scene is a great example of overall patriarchal views of women: small external formalities of kindness (buying the coffee, pulling out the chair to sit down) but with a deeper overall spirit of disdain and dislike. Think of Doug Phillips’ Titanic Society lauding the men who gave up their seats on lifeboats for women and children, while Dougie is simultaneously grooming the nanny. In the hands of a skillful writer this passage could be used to explore the contrast between someone who says they’re not a pig but really is, and someone who actually isn’t. Wilson is not a skillful writer, and doesn’t care two shakes about women, but he’s inadvertently made an excellent example of hypocrisy and false repentance that would do nicely in a sermon, if Wilson ever cared to think about anything other than himself. 

This puts me in mind of the poem "My Last Duchess" by Robert Browning.  In Browning's case, the speaker was skillfully shown to be a hideous person just through his monologue.  Doug is doing it less skillfully and totally without knowing that he's doing it.  That makes Dougie look extra-stupid.  (I'd love it if he had a fan that lurked here and let him know what we think of his writing.)

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1 hour ago, Hane said:

One of the predators whose marriage he arranged did this, and IIRC is thought to have victimized his own child.

He likely has victimized his own child; the court set up a procedure where he was to have a chaperone with him at all times when he was in the presence OF HIS OWN CHILD when he moved back in with his wife.  I'm sure that fell by the way side at some point. 

How this guy did not end of in prison for life is due 100% to Doug Wilson's machinations.  Also, they petitioned the court to allow him to attend family style events where his previous victims were present, but who had outgrown his preferred age group.  The reasoning was they were too young to remember the abuse and wouldn't be triggered by his presence and he was no longer interested because they were too old.

Folks, all this stuff happened.  Welcome to the depths, but not the extent, of Doug Wilson's profound moral depravity, 

 

 

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@Howl, *THIS* right here is my problem with most fundies’ “all sins are created equal, just ask God for forgiveness and you’re home free” theology. It puts “forgiving” on the shoulders of traumatized victims. 
Re the “you’re asking for it” attitude re women’s clothing choices: Long ago in the Yuku days, one of us posted about being raped by a stranger. She said, “I was wearing a big puffy down coat that made me look like a caterpillar.” I’ve mentioned the time my daughter was dressed just like Jackie Kennedy on her way to Mass and she was getting ogled and her personal space invaded at a train station.

Dougie can fuck right off. I’ll have more to share later.

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4 hours ago, Howl said:

 

He likely has victimized his own child; the court set up a procedure where he was to have a chaperone with him at all times when he was in the presence OF HIS OWN CHILD when he moved back in with his wife.  I'm sure that fell by the way side at some point. 

How this guy did not end of in prison for life is due 100% to Doug Wilson's machinations.  Also, they petitioned the court to allow him to attend family style events where his previous victims were present, but who had outgrown his preferred age group.  The reasoning was they were too young to remember the abuse and wouldn't be triggered by his presence and he was no longer interested because they were too old.

Folks, all this stuff happened.  Welcome to the depths, but not the extent, of Doug Wilson's profound moral depravity, 

 

 

I believe that the "chaperone" was his wife, with other family members as back-up.  IIRC, he admitted a sexual attraction to his own child during a meeting with his parole officer.

And, lest we forget, this is the same predator who abused at least one of the Sproul kids (by their own testimony) while he was a boarder in their home and prior to that, multiple children in his own home church.  It was said that Spanky knew of this when he set the predator on his merry way to Wilson's church, and seems likely that Spanky would have relayed this to Doug, but since neither of them care...

Furthermore, this is only one of the rapists he protected.  Another of his seminary students groomed and sexually abused a 14 year old girl.  But of course, this was ok, because she "looked and acted older."

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Yes, all correct, @forgetmenow.  In addition, in this past year a prominent member of Doug Wilson's congregation was accused of grooming and molesting a teen girl in Logos school.  This is what she wrote: 

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“I was raised Christian and attended Logos School, a Christian high school. While in high school, I suffered sexual abuse at the hands of my church doctrine teacher, a respected elder of the church affiliated with my school.

Even after his misconduct was discovered, Christ Church still allowed Jim B. Nance to serve communion. He remains an active member of that community while I was told to clean out my closet of slutty clothing, but I only owned school uniforms.

The school decided to deal with the issue internally instead of immediately bringing the situation to the police. Because of this choice, I suffered additional years of abuse. The nightmares from that time still keep me up at night. I cried out to God over and over again. I begged him to end it or just to let me die.

The shame I bore from what was happening to me was multiplied by feelings of guilt over my apparent sin. Jim fostered this notion using it to further torture and shame me into silence.” —Emilie Dye 

 

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1 minute ago, Howl said:

Yes, all correct, @forgetmenow.  In addition, in this past year a prominent member of Doug Wilson's congregation was accused of grooming and molesting a teen girl in Logos school.  This is what she wrote: 

 

Ugh, I had repressed that story.  I think I remember it unfolding on a FB thread, right?  IIRC, at least one of the guy's kids was all,  "Well, I forgive him, it's in the past, etc."

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12 hours ago, Xan said:

Ace tells her that he “works hard at not being a pig."

Nope.  Ace is just a pig.  I see no evidence that he attempts to be otherwise.

He has enough self awareness to know that that is how people regard him, so he attempts to disarm them first. But he doesn't work at anything,  because in his black and white mind he is Right and they are Wrong 

12 hours ago, Petronella said:

There was one guy who went on and on about immoral "nowadays" compared to virtuous times past,

 Oh boy. I would have asked to lead prayers the following week just so I could talk about how wonderful it is that we accept people for who they are, acknowledge the humanity and equality of our fellow human beings, follow Christ's teachings in loving each other etc. Subtle I am not.

11 hours ago, Howl said:

Sometimes I get the feeling that Doug Wilson has created his entire world to work for his sexuality and  his obsession with young women's bodies and the tension with how sexuality is defined and bounded in Christianity.  

I also think he has a thing for sexbots, and sexual violence. 

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12 hours ago, Hane said:

*THIS* right here is my problem with most fundies’ “all sins are created equal, just ask God for forgiveness and you’re home free” theology. It puts “forgiving” on the shoulders of traumatized victims. 

YES YES YES

I’ve been thinking about this a lot. I know forgiveness is important for many reasons, but the way it’s given pride of place over compassion, protection, truth, and justice is horrifying.

A friend of mine—someone I usually admire—wrote something about how we’re to love our enemies, so he would be willing to be friends with [insert evildoer here]; after all, how could they ever change if we don’t show them an example of love? I tried to explain to him that relationships aren’t siloed. They’re a web. If you invite, for example, the head of the KKK to dinner, that is going to be hurt your black friends. Relationships affect each other. Being equally loving to everyone, regardless of what they’ve done, actively hurts victims.

8 hours ago, Ozlsn said:

Oh boy. I would have asked to lead prayers the following week just so I could talk about how wonderful it is that we accept people for who they are, acknowledge the humanity and equality of our fellow human beings, follow Christ's teachings in loving each other etc. Subtle I am not.

Ha! That would have been awesome!

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On 11/11/2020 at 12:26 AM, Hane said:

Sara has found herself a nice apartment and a temp job at a law firm. She’s able to handle the phone system without attracting undue notice—the people at her office just assumed that she hadn’t used their particular phone system before, and she was a quick study.

  

 

On 11/11/2020 at 6:24 AM, Petronella said:

Sara is the former Mennonite, right? It sounds like the implication here is that Mennonites don't use phones, and that she was able to cover up her inexperience with all phones as just inexperience with this specific system. I know that Amish and Mennonites come in different varieties; is "no phones" typically a Mennonite thing? I had a Mennonite midwife with my first child (plain dress and all) and she had a phone. I'm just curious for info from anyone who knows more than me

 As I posted earlier in this thread , Doug Wilson is an ignoramus when it comes to Anabaptism .  

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Old Order Mennonites generally allow electricity in the home, as well as telephones.  They make greater use of tractors as well

https://amishamerica.com/whats-the-difference-between-amish-and-mennonites/   Also , as someone who lives in the midst of Amish country , I can tell you that even the Amish , on the whole , have telephones outside their houses .  { https://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-telephones/  ,  https://www.discoverlancaster.com/amish/technology/  }  

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@Marmion, Ex-Mr.-Hane-#2 was from central PA, and his parents lived most recently in Lancaster. It was interesting to see the differences in clothing, houses, and vehicles in various Amish and Mennonite communities. I saw one Old Order family living in a house that looked as if it were built in a ‘70s subdivision: a raised ranch with a brick and stucco façade (no visible utility wires). I figured  they must have bought it for its proximity to their community, which decided it would have been wasteful to demolish it or give it major renovations. In one community, the women wore aprons made of fabric printed with tiny flowers and trimmed in rickrack. The next one over, they all wore black. In one, the Mennonite women all wore knee-length dresses made from the same pattern, made of flowered pastel fabric with matching bonnets. At a park, we saw a group of young adults. The men were hatless and in chinos and collared shirts; the women were in gathered waltz-length skirts, white blouses, and white prayer caps.

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Ride, Sally, Ride—Chapter Six: Moving Chess Pieces

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Jon and Ace sit discussing Jon’s past fling, with someone called Camila. Ace admits he hadn’t mentioned this to Jon before because he was embarrassed by it, but realized that it could come up in court and blindside Jon, even though it’s irrelevant to the case. He also mentions that he stood in front of Sally the Sexbot for a full ten minutes before going home to get a tee shirt to dress it in:

“You know the doll was provocatively dressed, and placed, and when I came into the doorway, the thing said, ‘Asahel is a *sexy* name…’ I know that I was being set up, invited, summoned, seduced…Steven Sasani…had to have programmed her to say that….But something *else* was going on in there.”

The “something else” was SATANIC, y’all! It was a calculated move to bring Ace over to the Dark Side! He stood there a whole ten minutes, considering doing God knows what with the sexbot, until his phone rang, chiming the hours of prayer at him and saving his soul, so he ran home to get the tee shirt.

Sara at the Desk

Sara’s temp job at the prosecutor’s office is easy, considering that not much was expected of her. (Nice negging of a job that can be challenging, Dougie—I’ve done office temp work and it can be nerve-wracking.) “By the second day, she knew that the office was a tangled web of unregenerate envy and striving, and by the third day, she knew the place was evil.” She looks up the details of Ace’s case and decides that whoever was working in opposition to the prosecutor’s office would be HER people.  

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Ride, Sally, Ride—Chapter Seven: The Hit

Governor Felix

Governor Emmanuel Felix of California is a Democrat and a naturalized American citizen, having emigrated from Austria. Of course, being a Democrat, he takes good care of his own money but thinks that public funds come from a secret magical source. He’s navigating California’s secession from the Union, in part because he’s ineligible to run for President. He’s out and proud, but conveniently had a college fling with a now Supreme Court justice (named “Smeltworthy”—oh, FFS, Dougie) who is both conservative and in the closet, so he lets the justice know he can blackmail him if the judge doesn’t bend to his wishes. He wants “to govern an entity that can declare war on somebody.” He’s assembled a private army to be of service “when the inevitable food riots came.” Um, OK—I always thought that California has a pretty robust agricultural infrastructure, but WTF do I know. Once again, Dougie mentions that the blue states are plummeting down the $#!+ hole economically and socially, while the red states are prospering.  Wishful thinking, Douchifer.

Felix thinks, “The institution of marriage really had to go, untrammeled access to abortion was a must, free pornography was a basic human right.”  So of course he has a blind hatred for Ace and everything he stands for, and starts working to fix the court so that Ace will be found guilty of murder. Felix enlists the aid of a man named Ryker, his director of security, to put his plan in motion.

A Providential Pothole

Break out that Emetrol, friends—major-league pukiness ahead!

Ace and Stephanie are leaving the print shop where they’d dropped off Jon’s order for some posters to be used at the trial. Ace makes his usual big show of holding the door open for her, then insists on walking between her and the curb. He cites some old etiquette as his reason, she objects, and he insists on doing it anyway, so she gives up.

Suddenly a hybrid Jeep Cherokee (who knows how Ace could tell it’s a hybrid, but of course a hybrid is the Official Fleet Vehicle of the Evil Leftists) speeds up behind them, and Ryker shoots at them, missing because his Jeep hit a pothole (emblem of Everything Wrong With Deep-Blue Colorado). It’s blatantly obvious that Ace’s egregious act of chivalry saved Stephanie’s life.

Respect Porn

Pass me the Emetrol—things are about to get worse!

The next day, Jon has a sit-down with Stephanie to discuss her relationship with Ace. She admits to having feeling about him and feeling conflicted: “After what he did in that assassination attempt, I have felt like one of those damsels in those dark-web respect-porn videos.” Respect-porn, she explains, consist of non-sexual vignettes using “*all* the illegal stereotypes,” and show rescued maiden fantasies. She says, “Without any hesitation, without missing a beat, Ace picked me up by the waist, pushed me flat against that wall, and then stood in front of me, his back to me and his arms splayed out. I was completely covered, completely protected. He just stood that way until the car with the shooter in it tore through a red light, and around the corner.” Jon allows that Ace is certainly a fine young man.

Stephanie knows that Ace won’t agree to a romantic relationship with a non-Christian. She’s feeling drawn to Christianity, but is wondering whether it’s a genuine spiritual attraction or because she has a thing for Ace. These sentiments get in the way of her identity as a Powerful Independent Woman.

Jon goes on for a couple of pages about Jesus and Dougie’s brand of The Best Christianity(TM). Then comes this absolutely nauseating conflation of Jesus and Ace:

“If Jesus rose from the dead, being fierce and independent is not quite the virtue you thought it was—at least not in the same way. Ace makes you feel like you want to throw down your shield and surrender. You now know that that emotion feels like. But once your shield is down, no telling what might happen. That same shield is what you have been using to keep Christ away also.” GOD ALMIGHTY NO.

Stephanie recalls how Jon used to call her his “little spitfire,” and says that the things he’s saying make her want to spit fire. (Spitfire: Another mildly sexually charged term of endearment for his freaking DAUGHTER. Crazy legs, bright eyes, spitfire. And here comes another.) He smiles and says, “’Night, doll babe.” *hurls*

We're now 41% through this sludge.

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So, the sex doll is satanic, Ace/Dougie has hero fantasies, and Dougie uses the terms "spitfire" and "doll babe".  Yeah.  I'm gonna need some nausea meds.  

For the life of me, I don't know how he got any positive reviews for this drivel unless it was from like-minded misogynists.

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2 hours ago, Hane said:

so he ran home to get the tee shirt.

And then went back. I don't see how this helps his defence actually. He had time to cool off, he could have walked away - this is the world's stupidest provocation defence. Hey Doug - it doesn't matter how "provoked" Ace was, he left the scene and then returned. 

I take it he's not pleading mental illness? He might have more of a hope with that one, especially if he tells them the doll was Satanic.

2 hours ago, Hane said:

She looks up the details of Ace’s case and decides that whoever was working in opposition to the prosecutor’s office would be HER people.  

Um, why? Ok the office sucks - so quit, move on to temping somewhere else. 

1 hour ago, Hane said:

working to fix the court so that Ace will be found guilty of murder. Felix enlists the aid of a man named Ryker, his director of security, to put his plan in motion.

 His plan is to shoot Stephanie and make it look like Ace murdered her in what, a Drive by shooting? That is a stupid plan. At least wait until she's alone, preferably somewhere secluded (not a street in daylight or even evening, Ryker).

1 hour ago, Hane said:

If Jesus rose from the dead, being fierce and independent is not quite the virtue you thought it was

WTAF? Clause a is completely unrelated to clause b here. Fierce and independent has literally nothing to do with anything. Stephanie, stay strong! Listen to your inner voice telling you that Ace may be good looking but he's a sociopathic narcissistic arsehole!! 

1 hour ago, Hane said:

then stood in front of me, his back to me and his arms splayed out. 

Ryker you utter fool, you could have shot him then, and that would have saved everyone a lot of time and money. Also would have made the book shorter, still had a happy martyr ending for the fans and made the non-fans very happy. Win-win!

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2 hours ago, Hane said:

Respect-porn, she explains, consist of non-sexual vignettes using “*all* the illegal stereotypes,” and show rescued maiden fantasies.

Dear Sweet Lord Daniel in the Laundromat...

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10 hours ago, Xan said:

For the life of me, I don't know how he got any positive reviews for this drivel unless it was from like-minded misogynists.

Heh, there are people (men people) who hang on and defend every word on Doug's Blog and Mablog.   They are likewise very into this simplistic patriarchy Jesus porn because that's how they process the world.  It's a window into how Doug Wilson manipulates people who are not critical thinkers. 

What's the over/under on this noxious crap being required reading at Logos High School?

@Hane, I'm nominating you for a top spot in the fj pantheon of seriously sainted ladies for doing this synopsis.  If you need the rescue ferrets, just let us know. 

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14 hours ago, Hane said:

Jon and Ace sit discussing Jon’s past fling, with someone called Camila. Ace admits he hadn’t mentioned this to Jon before because he was embarrassed by it, but realized that it could come up in court and blindside Jon, even though it’s irrelevant to the case. He also mentions that he stood in front of Sally the Sexbot for a full ten minutes before going home to get a tee shirt to dress it in:

Hane, was it Jon who had the fling with Camila or Ace? From context it sounds like Ace, but the first sentence says it was Jon. Can you confirm?

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“You know the doll was provocatively dressed, and placed, and when I came into the doorway, the thing said, ‘Asahel is a *sexy* name…’ I know that I was being set up, invited, summoned, seduced…Steven Sasani…had to have programmed her to say that….But something *else* was going on in there.”

The “something else” was SATANIC, y’all! It was a calculated move to bring Ace over to the Dark Side! He stood there a whole ten minutes, considering doing God knows what with the sexbot, until his phone rang, chiming the hours of prayer at him and saving his soul, so he ran home to get the tee shirt.

Lord. Wow. Dude, you're having sexual urges, which most humans have. There's no supernatural force needed to explain this.

That he goes on to destroy the bot (even leaving and THEN COMING BACK) shows that he (and Doug Wilson) consider the urges to be externally created by the bot (just like all their desire in general is created by women "inviting" men by existing) rather than acknowledging the desire is inside themselves. The call is coming from inside the house, boys!

Jesus even talked about this. Pluck out your eye! 

13 hours ago, Hane said:

Governor Emmanuel Felix of California is a Democrat and a naturalized American citizen, having emigrated from Austria. Of course, being a Democrat, he takes good care of his own money but thinks that public funds come from a secret magical source. He’s navigating California’s secession from the Union, in part because he’s ineligible to run for President. He’s out and proud, but conveniently had a college fling with a now Supreme Court justice (named “Smeltworthy”—oh, FFS, Dougie) who is both conservative and in the closet, so he lets the justice know he can blackmail him if the judge doesn’t bend to his wishes. He wants “to govern an entity that can declare war on somebody.” He’s assembled a private army to be of service “when the inevitable food riots came.” Um, OK—I always thought that California has a pretty robust agricultural infrastructure, but WTF do I know. Once again, Dougie mentions that the blue states are plummeting down the $#!+ hole economically and socially, while the red states are prospering.  Wishful thinking, Douchifer.

Uh, that's a LOT of exposition. A lot.

Okay, so:

Governor

Democrat

Immigrant

Gay

Seceding California...

...because his power-hungriness can't be sated by the presidency (because of said immigrant past; FYI to any who don't know, you have to be born American to be president)

Secret past with conservative, closeted Supreme Court justice

Blackmail

Desire to declare war (with anybody, apparently) + a private army

Inevitable food riots

So, I know fiction is fiction, but it should still ring true psychologically. Just as Doug seems to have completely misunderstood where money comes from in the US economy, he seems to be mixing up his tropes. Sure, a gay immigrant democrat governor might well lead California in secession. Could be power hungry, as that's a human fault that appears in all kinds of people. But...hawk with a private army? That doesn't really scream "rabid liberal."

14 hours ago, Hane said:

Felix thinks, “The institution of marriage really had to go, untrammeled access to abortion was a must, free pornography was a basic human right.”

This...is not the liberal platform. My what a lovely straw man you have there, Doug.

14 hours ago, Hane said:

Ace makes his usual big show of holding the door open for her, then insists on walking between her and the curb. He cites some old etiquette as his reason, she objects, and he insists on doing it anyway, so she gives up.

If the point of these gestures is to make someone feel cherished, and said someone communicates to you that they have the opposite effect, and you continue to do them anyway, who exactly are you cherishing? Hint: you! it's you, you egotistical, self-centered jackass!

Typical: Doug is setting this up as "you're not even allowed to hold a door open anymore!!!!!" when, in most cases, people of whatever gender enjoy normal, polite assistance. It's when the gesture goes from being a passing pleasantry to being A Statement that it's creepy.

14 hours ago, Hane said:

“After what he did in that assassination attempt, I have felt like one of those damsels in those dark-web respect-porn videos.” Respect-porn, she explains, consist of non-sexual vignettes using “*all* the illegal stereotypes,” and show rescued maiden fantasies.

Again, NO ONE IS TRYING TO MAKE PRIVATE INTERACTIONS ILLEGAL. This kind of arguing is just madness. Doug, Doug--if two people want to have a relationship in which the woman submits to the man's authority they are welcome to have at it. All normal people are saying is that no one should HAVE TO have that kind of relationship.

I know this is a fictional dystopian future, but it's clearly, CLEARLY Doug's alarmist version of what would happen if liberals got control of US government. (Please, please, please Georgia, give us the Senate.)

Also, to go with (somehow) the blue states being financially a mess and the red states prospering, we now have conservatives--you know, the ones who want to control women's medical access and to leer at them freely because it's "natural" and to cast them as subordinate in their marriages--as the "respectful" ones. HA HA HA. Doug, letting a woman choose for herself what's best for her is what's respectful.

Doug's idea seems to be that a woman not wanting a door held open is symbolically blanket-rejecting any and all assistance for all time (eyeroll), but REALLY REALLY she wants to be all passive and be rescued, hence the existence of these underground videos. There aren't words enough in the world to cover all that's wrong with this whole thing, but:

1) This doesn't have to be a man/woman thing. Women can help women or men. Men can help men or women. If someone needs help, help them. If they don't want that specific help and say so, back off. In any case, one person helping another is not a romantic interaction, just a human one, so it doesn't matter what damn sex or orientation the givers and receivers are.

2) Refusing a specific interaction for any reason--may I suggest one good reason is that these gestures as performed by Ace seem to come with strings attached--does not mean refusing all interactions in all circumstances with everyone else.

3) Plenty of PEOPLE (not just women, people in general) go through periods of stress where they fantasize about being passive about life and someone else's intervention solving their problems. This is a normal human fantasy, not some kind of proof that Stephanie was being a hypocrite when she didn't appreciate him ordering her coffee.

Really, the whole setup seems to be saying "she says she didn't appreciate the unwanted coffee and the door-holding, but then she's more than happy to be protected from a bullet. Women--they just don't know WHAT they want!"

 

14 hours ago, Xan said:

For the life of me, I don't know how he got any positive reviews for this drivel unless it was from like-minded misogynists.

Yes, it was written for like-minded misogynists (including many women, sadly) and there are a lot of them ? 

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On 11/6/2020 at 10:28 AM, Black Aliss said:

Esther had a craving for toast during her last pregnancy and she stole some parts from the plane to fix her toaster. John still does not know why his plane won't fly but he's ashamed to admit that.

What is this plane?! A toaster is just a shell with slots, a basket that goes up and down, a timer, and red hot wires! What plane has anything like this for parts?!?!

Also, calling part of the US “the free states” is basic ass, dull, 1980s scifi crap that nobody uses anymore!

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@Petronella, sorry--Ace was the one who admitted to a fling with Camila. 

There's a lot of talk about sin and forgiveness amongst the Good Guys (TM) in this book, but ALL of it has to do with sexual matters.  That old "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" gets flung into the trash with wild abandon, as we shall shortly see.

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On 11/11/2020 at 4:59 AM, Xan said:

Ohmygod.  This should be one of those things that a pig like Dougie thinks but doesn't say out loud or put in print.  Would he prefer that we wear burkas?  (Never mind.  Yes, he would.  Either that or skirts to our ankles, blouses buttoned to our throats, and a nice, big sweater to smooth out all of the possibly offending upper bits.)

 

Because women in fundamentalist Islamic countries never have to worry about being raped. Oh, wait. . .

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Here's the set up: sexual predators can be superficially very nice but also insistent in not taking no for an answer in response to their niceness. 

Doug's set up for any impressionable teen woman reading this book: If you don't accept a man's superficial niceness, you're a feminist whore, because of course you are. 

Really, there are few limits on the depth of depravity in this book, and not in the way Doug Wilson imagines it. 

 

 

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This reads like satire of satire. I have to keep reminding myself that this is Doug’s writing, because I imagine that if someone wanted to satirize Doug’s den of pedophiles church it would probably read just like this. 

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