Michael and Brandon Keilen

[nausicaa]

2 hours ago, princessmahina said:

It baffles me so much that they can have the title "science" in their religion while simultaneously rejecting SO MUCH of scientific knowledge. It would be a laugh if it weren't so depressing. 

I know. My classmate could not sit through any lesson that mentioned cells, because their religion does not even accept that those exist. The thing is they have no issue learning physics, astronomy, or geology; branches that follow the same scientific method as biology. 

That girl's mother died at a fairly young age, in her early fifties. Of course because she didn't go to the doctor, the cause is unknown, but I suspect it was something like breast cancer that could have been put into remission if she had regular check ups and accepted intervention. 

[Percy]

It is not only high school students who lack sex education.

I was speaking to a patient in her 60's and mentioned my Mum had a boyfriend and I had the safe sex talk with Mum.  My patient was puzzled as Mum is in her 80's and can't get pregnant.  I had to explain about STI's and the impact they can have on health.  She had not considered this in her new relationship.

My patient had a vaginal repair and we got onto the topic when I gave her the 'no sex ,no exercise, no lifting, no straining ' talk prior to discharge.

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

7 minutes ago, Percy said:

It is not only high school students who lack sex education.

I was speaking to a patient in her 60's and mentioned my Mum had a boyfriend and I had the safe sex talk with Mum.  My patient was puzzled as Mum is in her 80's and can't get pregnant.  I had to explain about STI's and the impact they can have on health.  She had not considered this in her new relationship.

My patient had a vaginal repair and we got onto the topic when I gave her the 'no sex ,no exercise, no lifting, no straining ' talk prior to discharge.

 

I believe that Viagra has been linked to higher rates of stds in the above 60 crowd. They never got real sex Ed and I don't think condoms were all that popular when they were young. 

[VelociRapture]

Sex Ed in my district wasn't bad. We talked about sex, the reproductive systems, different forms of contraception, types of illegal drugs, and drug abuse. The teachers made sure we knew that abstinence was the only fool-proof method of avoiding pregnancy or STDs, but it definitely wasn't the only option discussed. Not sure if abortion was mentioned or not. It probably was.

In Elementary School we did the D.A.R.E. program and we got the talk too - girls got the video and talk with the female teachers. Our moms were invited to attend with us. The boys went elsewhere with the male teachers. Not sure what they talked about, but I'm guessing it was sex related too. 

No classes about family planning like others have mentioned. At least not that I know of. And we didn't do the whole "condom on bananas" stuff either. Our Health classes started in sixth grade and continued through part of High School.

[FrumperedCat]

At my girls only high school (in the UK) abstinence wasn't even really talked about that much. Instead we were taught about all the different birth control methods in our weekly personal development lessons for one term each year. In later years they went over it again to ensure we kept up our knowledge as well as teaching us about date rape and other risks. When one of the students asked about how gay sex worked the teacher also explained that- however she seemed a little confused about the logistics and we didn't really receive much education on gay relationships. We were taught how to apply condoms on a deodorant can and about female condoms too.

We also learnt a lot about STIs and the different prevention methods. They even explained that some couldn't be prevented by condoms and the warning signs and diagnosis methods.

Also in year 9 we got to take home a virtual baby for a week each which was programmed to cry several times a day when it needed feeding or burping. They would be inactive overnight because god forbid we don't get enough sleep for school the next day but would wake up from 5am and could start crying from then.

In all my time at high school no one in my year got pregnant and I didn't hear about any abortions or the like. That being said my school was a grammar school and a lot of the students were from well off backgrounds and very ambitious which may have reduced the likelihood.

[elliha]

Hopefully most students get a little less scare tactics about STDs than we did, it was over the top. We had to sit through a video of truly disease ridden genitalia with lists of symptoms and pictures. Syphilis, gonorrhea and genital warts in their worst forms is not something I wanted to see at 14 I think I was slightly traumatized by it to be honest. Not that guys were lining up but it seriously made me doubt I would ever have sex for at least 2 years. Warning, don't google this while eating...

 

[Alicja]

I never got proper sex ed, in school we just learned about genitalia and what sex is.

I had to teach myself about contraception, STDs, and sexuality. Thanks Google.

[Granwych]

3 hours ago, elliha said:

Hopefully most students get a little less scare tactics about STDs than we did, it was over the top. We had to sit through a video of truly disease ridden genitalia with lists of symptoms and pictures. Syphilis, gonorrhea and genital warts in their worst forms is not something I wanted to see at 14 I think I was slightly traumatized by it to be honest. Not that guys were lining up but it seriously made me doubt I would ever have sex for at least 2 years. Warning, don't google this while eating...

 

The Internet was my friend when explaining sex to Wychling. The gorier and more gross the pictures, the better.

[imokit]

We had proper sex ed at my school, and then if you went to the nurse's office during recess and put a condom on a model in front of here she would give you a "C card."  This was a little business card like thing which you could take to a pharmacy and exchange for a bunch of free condoms (she also kept a stack on her desk where they're easily accessible and could accidentally be taken in a bunch of leaflets for the ones who didn't want to do the test.

No one got pregnant in my school - partly because of that, but mainly because we lived in a nice walk-able town and everyone knew how to get to the walk in centre for the morning after pill and this could be done without parental knowledge/money (going to town alone is perfectly acceptable for teens to do and under 18s get free prescriptions on the NHS, over 18s pay less than £10 - easily affordable for a teenager).

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

3 hours ago, imokit said:

We had proper sex ed at my school, and then if you went to the nurse's office during recess and put a condom on a model in front of here she would give you a "C card."  This was a little business card like thing which you could take to a pharmacy and exchange for a bunch of free condoms (she also kept a stack on her desk where they're easily accessible and could accidentally be taken in a bunch of leaflets for the ones who didn't want to do the test.

No one got pregnant in my school - partly because of that, but mainly because we lived in a nice walk-able town and everyone knew how to get to the walk in centre for the morning after pill and this could be done without parental knowledge/money (going to town alone is perfectly acceptable for teens to do and under 18s get free prescriptions on the NHS, over 18s pay less than £10 - easily affordable for a teenager).

 

That sounds wonderful. I wish all teens had that kind of education and access. 

[HermioneSparrow]

Michael and Brandon made it to their first wedding anniversary without pregnancies (that we know of), i'm stunned. Even if they had miscarriages, i don't think the Bates would respect their privacy, i certainly just hope they're not as fertile as erin and chad or maybeeee they were avoiding babies all this time (foolish hopes, i know).

[VelociRapture]

8 minutes ago, HermioneSparrow said:

Michael and Brandon made it to their first wedding anniversary without pregnancies (that we know of), i'm stunned. Even if they had miscarriages, i don't think the Bates would respect their privacy, i certainly just hope they're not as fertile as erin and chad or maybeeee they were avoiding babies all this time (foolish hopes, i know).

Whatever may be going on is none of my business. All I will say is that I hope they've enjoyed their first year of marriage together.

[Exjw2015deed]

On August 13, 2016 at 9:28 PM, VelociRapture said:

In Elementary School we did the D.A.R.E. program and we got the talk too - girls got the video and talk with the female teachers. Our moms were invited to attend with us. The boys went elsewhere with the male teachers. Not sure what they talked about, but I'm guessing it was sex related too. 

No classes about family planning like others have mentioned. At least not that I know of. And we didn't do the whole "condom on bananas" stuff either. Our Health classes started in sixth grade and continued through part of High School.

Omg d.a.re. For April fools me and my friends considered sending false paperwork and hiring someone to serve our friends a lawsuit since we all have violated our d.a.r.e. contract for smoking weed. We signed it when we were 9 and 10 in the fifth grade. We forgot all about it once high school came.

We also remember signing a contract saying we would never touch a gun. Crazy how liberal that is looking back. That was in the year 2000-2001. 

 

 

 

My sex Ed was pretty legit. Like showing us how to insert a mirena and a nuvaring. 

We also had a very lively detailed on abortion. They explained the mechanics and really explained how much psychology problems occur after. They told us the only for sure way to avoid stds and pregnancy was abstinence than condoms.

They even taught us about withdrawal, a.k.a. (Pulling out), of course after terrorizing us about AIDS and herpees. I hope my children get the same education.

 

[ladyaudley]

My parents gave me a wonderful comic called "Peter, Ida and Minimum" when I was five. It follows a family where the mother is pregnant again and the dad is a cartoonist, drawing explanations for his kids. It's a Swedish book I think.

We then got a lot of detailed knowledge about relationships, std's, periods and contraception from age 11. One girl in my HS got pregnant, but her IUD had slipped. Go Germany!

[Fundie Bunny]

9 hours ago, Exjw2015deed said:

They even taught us about withdrawal, a.k.a. (Pulling out), of course after terrorizing us about AIDS and herpees. I hope my children get the same education.

That doesn't work and i don't understand why are they even talking about it if it's not to say it's fucking useless.

[elliha]

2 hours ago, ladyaudley said:

My parents gave me a wonderful comic called "Peter, Ida and Minimum" when I was five. It follows a family where the mother is pregnant again and the dad is a cartoonist, drawing explanations for his kids. It's a Swedish book I think.

We then got a lot of detailed knowledge about relationships, std's, periods and contraception from age 11. One girl in my HS got pregnant, but her IUD had slipped. Go Germany!

It's Danish. I have tried to find it for my daughter but I can only find it used as there hasn't been a Swedish print of it for quite some time. The Danes have reprinted it though. It is great, it really covers everything you need to know about reproduction including things like birth control in a very open and uncomplicated way. 

[Melissa1977]

2 hours ago, ladyaudley said:

My parents gave me a wonderful comic called "Peter, Ida and Minimum" when I was five. It follows a family where the mother is pregnant again and the dad is a cartoonist, drawing explanations for his kids. It's a Swedish book I think.

We then got a lot of detailed knowledge about relationships, std's, periods and contraception from age 11. One girl in my HS got pregnant, but her IUD had slipped. Go Germany!

I had the same book!!! Nice memories. It was very modern, I mean, I got it around 1983, it wasn't a typical book then, and even nowadays lots of parents would consider this book a bit it too much.

[ladyaudley]

I loved it, but I can see how some parents might think it's a little too graphic! I also love that it doesn't end with mum happily bringing the baby home - it shows the stress and chaos and the jealousy of the older children at the end. 

[JillyO]

I had that book too!! Thanks for bringing up the memories.

[backyard sylph]

2 hours ago, Fundie Bunny said:

That doesn't work and i don't understand why are they even talking about it if it's not to say it's fucking useless.

Probably it was for the same reason they did in my class many years ago, to point out that preseminal fluid isn't always semen-sterile, plus you couldn't seriously count on a boy or young man to...always stop at the top of the rollercoaster and switch tracks before descent.

[Exjw2015deed]

2 hours ago, Fundie Bunny said:

That doesn't work and i don't understand why are they even talking about it if it's not to say it's fucking useless.

They gave us information on all forms of preventing getting pregnant. We were given statistics on the failure and dangers of it, but nonetheless it is still listed even on the official planned parenthood website.

I think discussing it is important because so many teenage boys think pulling out is cool and brag about "their pull out game" and no pregnancies. We were taught it is not very effective and all about luck. We also were told about nfp and how that too doesn't always work. 

We were told the only way to 100 percent avoid pregnancy and stds was abstinence, followed by condoms and everything else. They literally listed it in order of its effectiveness.

[Melissa1977]

3 hours ago, ladyaudley said:

I loved it, but I can see how some parents might think it's a little too graphic! I also love that it doesn't end with mum happily bringing the baby home - it shows the stress and chaos and the jealousy of the older children at the end. 

In fact, it's my complaining. In the beginning of the book, mom is nervous  because the pregnancy and shouts and at other moment she hits one of her kids because the stress. I know it shows the normal beliefs from when the book was published, but I don't want my kids to accept abusive behaviour because hormones or stress. Maybe we all shout kids sometimes, but it's not right and it cannot be shown as normal. I suppose it's why swedens have not republished it, they're very concerned about all forms of abuse.

I agree kids must see reality and not only fairy tales, but there're better ways to show it.

[JermajestyDuggar]

I'm a condom fanatic and I kind of feel sorry for my boys, lol. They will hear all about how great condoms are from an early age. They help protect you from STDs and pregnancy fairly well if used properly. No other BC compares in my opinion. It does BOTH! And since I have boys, that's mostly all I can do. If I had girls I would sing the praises of condoms and a few other BC options. Of course they will be well educated. But they will have access to plenty of condoms. Heck, I will even buy them for them well into their 20s! They can even give some away. I know condoms can be expensive but it's worth it to me.

[VelociRapture]

26 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I'm a condom fanatic and I kind of feel sorry for my boys, lol. They will hear all about how great condoms are from an early age. They help protect you from STDs and pregnancy fairly well if used properly. No other BC compares in my opinion. It does BOTH! And since I have boys, that's mostly all I can do. If I had girls I would sing the praises of condoms and a few other BC options. Of course they will be well educated. But they will have access to plenty of condoms. Heck, I will even buy them for them well into their 20s! They can even give some away. I know condoms can be expensive but it's worth it to me.

You should still consider talking about birth control pills with your boys. Using both gives the protection from STDs and an extra method of pregnancy protection too.

(I mean, I know your boys can't take them. But if they end up in commited relationships with girls it's something that they and their partner may want to consider. So giving them the information could be helpful.)

[prayawaythefundie]

Sex ed is part of my job as a biology teacher and it's very interesting for me to read all of your memories about your own classes from different times and different regions / countries, to see wich information stuck und what everyone thinks was the most useful. I teach students from grades 5 to 12 in a Bavarian "Gymnasium" (kinda like a grammar school). Sex ed is part of their curriculum in grades 5 and 8. Most of them had some form of sex ed in elementary school (grades 1 to 4 in Bavaria).

While there are special rules (laws actually!) about sex ed (Like I'm not allowed to test my students about the contents of this part of their biology class and I can't force them to participate in the conversation in class, meaning they are allowed to just sit there silently but they have to sit there.), abstinence only sex ed is pretty much unheard of in Germany. All the states teach about contraception and STDs as far a I know.

In grade 5 my students learn about puberty, genitals, generative cells, female cycle, sex, pregnancy and birth in a very "that's the biology of it" kind of way.

In grade 8 the contents of grade 5 get a repeat and will then be extended by information about contraception, STDs, abortion and sexual orientation. The social aspects of sexuality are a bigger part of the lessons in grade 8 than they were in grade 5 and there is a lot more classroom discussion.

If I had to change one thing about the sex ed curriculum in Bavaria, I would make consent a mandatory topic.