Lori Alexander - Still Not Learning A Thing, Part 3

[feministxtian]

1 hour ago, louisa05 said:

I had a poster with that quote on it in my classroom when I taught at crazy Christian school. The admins kept trying to make me take it down. They found it to be a bad message. 

Of course it was a bad message...crazy Christians need to TELL the gospel because they sure don't live it.

[Hisey]

The thing about Lori is, she has so many safety nets.

She has her father, who sounds caring and kind. She has her mom, still alive and healthy. She has two sisters, both of whom are middle-class and married. All these folks live near Lori. She has friends (hard as that is to believe) in her area too. She has her kids, who'd help her out of guilt or love if she needed help.

If Ken were to die, it sounds like she'd have enough money to live on. And she probably has a paid-off house. Best of all, the relatives she's mentioned all seem to care about her and provide her with love and support.

I think Lori simply can't conceive of being in a desperate situation with no backup or support system.

I have to say, I envy her her support system. I wish I had family that supported me, boy, do I wish that. I wish I had a family Thanksgiving to go to--I'd happily cook the meal (and I hate to cook). When my children were small, I had almost no help--my family was closer at the time, but no one cared whether I needed help. Even when I was going through surgery and had tiny children, no one offered to help (or even asked how I was doing). They were happy to take the help I gave them, of course, and even demand more. We finally moved away from the area because, frankly, having relatives close by isn't the same as having relatives who care. And they still don't care (though they like to guilt us for moving nonetheless).

 I think Lori is extremely lucky but also extremely entitled--she thinks everyone has what she has.

[desertvixen]

A lot of what @Hisey said - Lori does not understand how good she has it. 

 

[2xx1xy1JD]

9 hours ago, molecule said:

The bible says that faith without works is dead--but the idea is that the works are supposed to be a natural by-product of faith and a response to God's grace. What Lori and other fundies do is focus on the works at the expense of faith.

I disagree.  I'm coming at this from a personal religious POV that sees works (actions) as far more important than faith, FWIW.  I've followed Lori's blog for years and questioned her on some of these points.

She's been crystal clear about her belief that faith in Jesus is essential to salvation, to the point that she's said that if a child of hers stopped having faith, she'd regret that they had ever been born.

She quotes Michael Pearl in support of her belief that tithing and observing the Sabbath are legalism, and that doing so may even be a bad thing because it would show that you didn't have total faith that Jesus had made these practices obsolete.

When I've quoted actual commandments, she has responded that she believes that the Law is dead, and that we aren't under the Law at all anymore - but then somehow the NT imposes a bunch of new laws.

Her mind seems to go something like this:  if she doesn't want to do something, it's a dead law.  If she thinks that something is good, then it's an absolute law, don't talk to her about exceptions, everybody is required to listen to her like they listen to God.

Here's an example of the "no tithing or sabbath" post:  http://lorialexander.blogspot.ca/2015/02/should-christians-tithe.html

Personally, I have to say that there is no way that I'd trade the "burden" of 25 hours of rest and time with family and friends during the sabbath, for Lori's "freedom" of totally submitting to a husband in all respects and in turn beating my kids into submission.

[Koala]

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Great post. Indeed, if a wife expects her husband to take care of the duties of a keeper at home, what need has he for a wife? 

Yeah!  Because wife is really just a fast way to say cook & maid.  What other reason would a man marry?

[love2scrap]

Lori's post on Addicted to Entertainment http://lorialexander.blogspot.sg/2015/11/addiction-to-entertainment-is.html?m=1 she did not make it clear that the main body of the post with all the "suggestions" were actually written by another member of the chat room. There is clearly no credit given in the post, only an oblique reference to a "conversation" in the chatroom. She did ask the original poster in the chatroom "may i use your suggestions for a post?" And permission was granted, but the way Lori penned the post is BRAZEN plagiarism. I wrote a comment on the post but it was not published. So disgusted that i left the chatroom. Cannot stand this old shallow selfish bitch.

[FundieFarmer]

17 hours ago, desertvixen said:

A lot of what @Hisey said - Lori does not understand how good she has it. 

 

I agree. I also think that when she does acknowledge it, she thinks it is because she has earned it- and that the rest of us who may not have those things simply are too much of heathens to receive God's blessing...or that He has given us a trial we should be honored to endure.

[Koala]

Lessons on Godly Mentoring via the Net:

Reader (this is the entirety of her comment):

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My sons wife divorced him for these exact reasons. We are grieving for the loss of this family.

Lori:

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Pray, Becky. Pray hard. It is not too late for this marriage to be restored. She has been deceived and you need to pray earnestly that her eyes will be opened to the lies she is believing.

Wha???  Is this how online marriage counseling works??  You get the mother in law's 2 sentence account and immediately declare that the woman has been "deceived" and is "believing lies"?  

Why on earth would Lori feel qualified to address this situation when she has absolutely NO IDEA what happened?

 

 

[salex]

22 minutes ago, Koala said:

Lessons on Godly Mentoring via the Net:

Reader (this is the entirety of her comment):

Lori:

Wha???  Is this how online marriage counseling works??  You get the mother in law's 2 sentence account and immediately declare that the woman has been "deceived" and is "believing lies"?  

Why on earth would Lori feel qualified to address this situation when she has absolutely NO IDEA what happened?

 

 

Lori knows the one and only reason anyone divorces and it is because the wife has gone to the dark side and developed evil feminist expectations of her husband .   Same strawman, different day. 

 

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Lori Alexander· 4 hours ago

I used to listen to Joyce Meyer. {Notice I said "used to." I don't anymore.} She was a terrible wife to her husband. One day her husband looked at her and said, "I don't think I can put up with you for much longer." This scared her enough to begin shaping up! I have remembered this because he took leadership of his home and confronted her in her rebellion.

 

 

Isn't this exactly what happened with Ken and Lori?  

[Koala]

5 minutes ago, salex said:

Lori knows the one and only reason anyone divorces and it is because the wife has gone to the dark side and developed evil feminist expectations of her husband .   Same strawman, different day. 

 

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Isn't this exactly what happened with Ken and Lori?  

Yes it is, and Lori becoming a submissive wife spared her from losing a steady paycheck her marriage.

Dave is weighing in again (big proponent of wife discipline, that one).  One of the readers was recounting to good ol' days when her husband told her to leave HIS house.  

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While I’m sure there are several things that contributed to the poor state of the marriage I would like to note what I believe to be a profound point in HappyHomeMaker’s now happy tale: that her husband asked HER to leave home. It seems that most of the time a husband leaves HIS home when he has not been respected, having downgraded his masculinity, his responsibility [‘be not deceived and effeminate’ or “soft” in Strongs 3120 1 Cor 6:9]. Congratulations to your husband [even through many faults I expect he has] to hold his masculine ground, for most husbands, because of our now feminine culture, leave home first [including adultery] or leave in spirit [clam-up, disengage], etc. Rather, your husband, after apparent longsuffering, put his foot down and said ‘you leave MY house.’ That is a strong step in the right direction.

Funny thing about that- courts would have probably happily given his wife at LEAST half of the proceeds from "his" house, so put that in your pipe and smoke it Mr. Command Man

[apandaaries]

I don't comment on Lori's blog, and doubt any comment of mine would make it through, but I think her head would explode if she saw this blog post: http://juniaproject.com/5-myths-of-male-headship/

It's all about how the idea of the husband being headship and ultimate authority is due to misreadings and misinterpretations.  I especially like this part:

 

Fun fact: scripture does not give husbands any sort of decision-making authority over their wives. In fact, the only scripture that addresses decision making in the husband-wife relationship instructs them to make that decision together equally (1 Corinthians 7.1-6).

Let me say this one more time, because I think it’s important – The only spot in scripture that explicitly addresses decision making in a marriage calls the husband and wife to make that decision together equally.

Scripture doesn’t give the husband a “trump card” in decision making. He doesn’t get the final say, according to the Bible. If we follow the example scripture sets, husbands and wives would make decisions together, through prayer.

If only Ken would come back to explain the evils of the Junia Project and how wrong feminists are to think, let alone attempt to teach and share knowledge.  

[Koala]

This comment from a reader:

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My husband doesn't help me around the house. He says if I want help, that's why God gave me children.

I can't even....

[salex]

2 hours ago, Koala said:

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My husband doesn't help me around the house. He says if I want help, that's why God gave me children.

 

This comment from a reader:

I can't even....

And yet, she married this guy.  

The concept that my husband is "helping me" with housework assumes that housework is my responsibility.  While I know Lorri thinks that, given she has had household help, paid for by Ken, it strkes me that she does not live up to that standard.  Ken paying for a nanny and housekeeper for his stay at home wife is the equivalent of him doing housework, in my opinion.  

 

 

[polecat]

What's with all these men who father children and then decide that they don't have to actually help take care of them? My husband actually did a lot of the diaper changing (and we used cloth!) and other day-to-day baby tasks when he was home because I was the feeding machine. He felt that I was doing the lion's share of the work and wanted in on  some of the fun (because, you know, bonding). He was incredibly hands-on -- still is -- and never once bitched about it being a woman's job. It's freaking parenting, people, and if you're not willing to actually DO it, you probably should rethink parenting. Sitting back and letting someone else shoulder all the work -- just because that person is a woman -- is the very definition of deadbeat. 

[Koala]

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We see so many dangers in the world lately. I realized the biggest danger is us woman. We are such a weak vessel and husband's are falling for it, while they should be strong. I also have a husband that very early in our marrage would let me understand clearly when anough is anough. I was allowed throwing one tantrum in our marrage and he stopped it in its roots. 

[Curious]

8 minutes ago, Koala said:

I guess that's why you see all those women out shooting up theaters, churches, malls, schools, etc.  Also you see a lot of women suicide bombers and in the front lines of terrorist organizations.  Don't forget all those women serial killers, spree killers and mass murderers (yes, I know they exist, but statistically are a very small percentage).

Oh wait.....

I fixed this for Lori:

We see so many dangers in the world lately. I realized the biggest danger to woman is ME and others like me that give out dangerous, incorrect information and judge anyone that doesn't live exactly as I tell them too (not to be confused with how I live my own life).

[Koala]

Thejoyfilledwife chimed in:

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My husband is a Command Man through and through and, such as kings do, they want to constantly be served. It's am extremely demanding job, but it's God's ways for a wife and I would rather go to bed exhausted at the end of the day in obedience to the Lord than a bitter, independent, rebellious woman who does marriage the world's way.

  Yeah, no.

[Caribou]

1 hour ago, Koala said:

Thejoyfilledwife chimed in:

  Yeah, no.

These women are deceived, delusional and must be desperately unhappy. I can't imagine such a disgusting "marriage". And that's coming from a stay at home mother/wife who'd never put up with such garbage. 

[IrishCarrie]

Does the concept of 'You get what you settle for' completely escape these people?

What loving God would want you to live such a miserable existence?

[teachergirl]

It all starts when they are young though right? Fundie women are raised to think they are less than men, don't deserve to ask for anything, their feelings aren't validated so it makes sense to me that they marry like this. Lori hates herself so much and there is so much anger in her....makes sense she turns it on her readers.

[desertvixen]

So, if their husbands are "kings", then doesn't that make them a queen?  Shouldn't someone be serving them?  Oh wait, that's why they have kids.

 

[Koala]

 She's reached a whole new level of crazy today.  Does this woman not realize the whole world can read her blog?  Her aunts read it for sure and damn certain.  What happened to modesty?  

 

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"What is the natural function of the woman?" I disagree with part of what Mary wrote since I believe our natural function, the way God created us, is to have sex with a man and have his babies, then nurse them.  

She goes on:

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The natural function of a man is to have sex with a woman. The parts fit. This is what sex actually is! Two women can't actually even have sex. They can fool around but it is impossible for them to have sexual intercourse because they don't have the parts that fit together and neither do two men. {All medical studies have proven that anal sex is "very damaging to your health and quite possibly life threatening."} When birth control entered America and women began preventing having babies {one of the main reasons God created sex}, they began having sex only for pleasure, thus using their bodies unnaturally.

Lord.have.mercy.

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Since, the natural function of a woman is to have sex with a man, have his babies and nurse them, you can see now that as women stopped using their bodies the way God intended them to be used, destruction began. They no longer needed a man. Since a man's natural function of having sex with a woman so she can bear children is taken away, he uses sex simply for pleasure. He is no longer needed to leave his mother and father, cleave to a wife and create a family. 

Get ready...she's about to reveal God's will for you...because she totally knows.  As the Bible says, 

"It is between God, you, and Lori Alexander.  I speak to Lori, Lori speaks to you."  

Oh that's right...the Bible doesn't say that at all.  Hmm...

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Let's stop acting like men and begin using our bodies for their natural function the way God intended for us to use them and not society's perversion. Enjoy being a woman. Enjoy sex with your husband. Cherish the children the Lord blesses you with. Love being at home and making a sanctuary where your family can learn about the Lord, eat nourishing food and enjoy peace with one another. This is God's will for you.

 

[desertvixen]

I love how it never occurs to her that some of us have enjoyed sex with our husbands (even when I was experiencing less desire after my daughter was born, my relationship with my ex-husband never devolved to the point of "ten minutes and lube" - of course he also left me), have given birth to our children, have nursed them (until I had to go away to an evil, evil military school when the MiniVixen was only 9 months old - and GASP! Her father cared for her for seven whole weeks by himself!), and cherish our children - and still enjoy the kinky "unnatural" sex.  Of course, we're also not married to men who think "ten minutes and lube" is enough.

And apparently no one has told her that anal is not just a m/m option...

[Curious]

I have no words.

Ok, maybe a few.    I find Kenori's (and fundies in general) need to constantly talk about SEX SEX SEX to be very strange.   I'm not a prude.  I'm fine with adults and older teens watching porn, as long as it's not truly an addiction (not to be confused with the fundie definition of porn addiction).  

Why people that are so worried about modesty decide to display their sex lives on the WORLD WIDE WEB is very confusing to me.

Also, men and women can have anal sex (the parts fit together).  Are they at risk of death!?!!? or is it only when 2 men have anal sex that it's super dangerous?

[desertvixen]

1 minute ago, Curious said:

I have no words.

 Lori and Ken have that effect on people. 

 

1 minute ago, Curious said:

Why people that are so worried about modesty decide to display their sex lives on the WORLD WIDE WEB is very confusing to me.

Also, men and women can have anal sex (the parts fit together).  Are they at risk of death!?!!? or is it only when 2 men have anal sex that it's super dangerous?

I don't get this one either (although it's not confined to them, by a long shot).  I don't walk around letting the world know about how my fiance and I banged each other like screen doors in a West Texas breeze.  Possibly because my non-religious parents instilled a sense of privacy and dignity in me, despite my mother working.

The thing that always gets me with this pair is that she doesn't even seem to enjoy having sex with her husband (or didn't, it's hard to tell), to the point where she's essentially telling the world that her husband is the world's lousiest lay.  It would still be overshare if she was bragging about Ken being the world's greatest lover, but it would make more sense. 

But she's a Godly wife and mentor, and I'm not.

Pretty sure it's only the m/m factor that makes it super dangerous.