Duggars By the Dozen - General Discussion - Lucky 13

[Cleopatra7]

I just went to the Duggar Family Official Facebook page and see no comments about the scandal.

Am I blind....or did they finally delete them.

I was just there and I saw the statement JB and Michelle released the other day posted at the top of the page.

[2manyKidzzz]

Someone above said there were scathing comments posted by visitors to their page. Trash that I am, I wanted to see them but saw none. Guess I missed it.

[Cochise]

I just checked, and the scathing comments are back. On the right side of the page there's large type announcing that there's a statement from Michelle, Jim Bob, and Josh. (Even when he's completely out of line, he comes third after Mommy and Daddy.) Under that is a comment from Katie Foote, and underneath THAT it says "View more comments." If you put your cursor on that and press, the rest of the comments come spooling out. This is my current favorite:

Tierney Sadler You're blessed that people in this thread are being so kind to you. You raised a monster. You raised your daughters to believe that protecting their molester is more important than protecting them from molesters...nice move there. And you judge gay people, saying they will ruin the sanctity of marriage. Do you see the irony in that? Josh isn't the only one with a problem here. The parents need to be taking responsibility for raising a child with zero morals and a criminal predilection for young girls, especially those related to him. I'm sure you feel like God is testing your family. It looks more like he's justifiably punishing it to the rest of us.

You can choose if you want to see the most recent comments, the "most relevant" comments (???) and the "top comments." I'm guessing that the "top comments" are those that have gotten a lot of thumbs-ups. There are leghumpers, but I think people who are outraged are shouting them down.

[Mr.Bowie]

I just checked, and the scathing comments are back. On the right side of the page there's large type announcing that there's a statement from Michelle, Jim Bob, and Josh. (Even when he's completely out of line, he comes third after Mommy and Daddy.) Under that is a comment from Katie Foote, and underneath THAT it says "View more comments." If you put your cursor on that and press, the rest of the comments come spooling out. This is my current favorite:

Tierney Sadler You're blessed that people in this thread are being so kind to you. You raised a monster. You raised your daughters to believe that protecting their molester is more important than protecting them from molesters...nice move there. And you judge gay people, saying they will ruin the sanctity of marriage. Do you see the irony in that? Josh isn't the only one with a problem here. The parents need to be taking responsibility for raising a child with zero morals and a criminal predilection for young girls, especially those related to him. I'm sure you feel like God is testing your family. It looks more like he's justifiably punishing it to the rest of us.

You can choose if you want to see the most recent comments, the "most relevant" comments (???) and the "top comments." I'm guessing that the "top comments" are those that have gotten a lot of thumbs-ups. There are leghumpers, but I think people who are outraged are shouting them down.

They are definitely taking a beating on their FB page. Many of the comments are coming from angry former fans and fellow Christians - the same groups that may have defended them through Josh 1.0

[DowntownAbbey]

They may be taking a thrashing in the comments section, but overall the likes on their FB page are up.

For numbers comparison, they were at roughly 2,500 new likes this week on Thursday before Joshgate 2.0 broke. Of course, no one knows all the different reasons someone may like a page outside of supporting the Duggars so YMMV. :shrug:

[2manyKidzzz]

I found the comments. Wow, I can't believe they are still up. Anna is getting overwhelming support and sympathy. A number of comments feel Josh should be removed from the home where his children are. Most are calling them hypocrites in general.

Why aren't they removing them. I hope they are blinded by their selfish tears and can't see to delete them. What must the other siblings think and feel.

[Cochise]

Well, I never looked at their facebook page before and keep going back to it in the last two days because the negative comments are kind of gratifying to see. Most people do seem to be outraged at Josh, but a lot of them are also taking bites out of Jim Bob and Michelle. How the mighty have fallen! Those three arrogant, holier-than-thou people have hit a wall--the vast majority of the comments are very pro-Anna and very negative about Dim Bulb, Michelle, and Sex Addict Lad. They can't come back from this.

I think that if Josh was so into porn, he probably saw a lot of things that he didn't feel he could act out with Anna, if that makes sense.

I'm not going to drag this thread into the gutter by naming any of the practices he might have seen and gotten excited by, but I think there's a lot of porn out there that would be mindbogglingly horrific for a young woman raised to obey her husband and give in to his sexual desires. I hate thinking this way, but perhaps his adulterous behavior and porn addiction were a way of dealing with sexual desires that are deviant and would be degrading to Anna. It's one thing if both partners agree to pursue some not-plain-vanilla sex, but even Josh might have felt he couldn't force Anna to do certain things he wanted (if only because she might be so upset that she'd talk to her female relatives . . . and Josh definitely didn't want that because he doesn't like getting caught).

I'm NOT saying that things would have been okay if he'd felt he could get Anna to do sexual acts she might find repulsive. Josh is at fault here, completely. He got way too into things that did not line up with his supposed principles, and he just kept on and on with inappropriate sexual behavior he has ever reason to be ashamed of. If you're going to be Mr. Family Values Christian, you should be able to say "Yeah, I found some things in porn that I could NEVER ask my wife to do really exciting, but too bad--I'm going to have respectful, loving sex with my wife because I'm a responsible adult, not a baby who reaches for every new shiny exciting thing because I'm a selfish two-year-old at heart."

Josh no doubt has known he's a phony and has lived a selfish, piggish life for a long time. But Jim Bob and Michelle have acted like they had a hotline to God and were morally upright examples of goodness. What I'm wondering is whether they're capable of realizing "We screwed up. It's not just "haters" any more. People who once admired us are saying we're disgusting and telling that boring, namby-pamby Anna that we and Josh are dangerous to her and their children. Why has this happened? Did we actually make mistakes? And how on earth do we explain to our young children why our lives have changed so much?" I mean, can they just step out the door and go for groceries now, or is the press out there, dying to photograph the Duggar family, ask questions, get the kids aside and interview them?

Well, God is not mocked, not in the long run, not in this case.

What a stupid, ignorant, self-righteous, prideful pair, those two parents.

[Justme]

Does anyone know where Josh and Anna are living? The home they purchased needed a major rehab. Did they perhaps move into Jill's house now that she is gone? Are they in the Duggar's guest house?

[SpoonfulOSugar]

Puff piece about Duggar faith from People:

people.com/article/duggars-religious-beliefs-lifestyle-their-own-words

It's pretty leg-humpy. My eyes are now back, but they rolled pretty hard.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Looks like Jim Bob and several sons went to the father/son 3 day family camp at Fort Rock Family Camp this weekend. Saw a pic on Instagram

instagram.com/p/6tCaKSqZ-V/

Hard to make out everyone. I see Nathan Bates. Don't see Josiah, Joe or JD.

and here's the promotional video for it

youtu.be/PSV6UHCaHWE

The facebook:

Facebook.com/fortrockfamilycamp

[Lazuli]

Puff piece about Duggar faith from People:

people.com/article/duggars-religious-beliefs-lifestyle-their-own-words

It's pretty leg-humpy. My eyes are now back, but they rolled pretty hard.

I just saw that. The Duggars are saying they're not Quiverfull. That surprised me. I thought they were. Is this just spindoctoring?

[sisterwives]

I just saw that. The Duggars are saying they're not Quiverfull. That surprised me. I thought they were. Is this just spindoctoring?

I think they're just saying that they aren't since mainstream media sources picked up on ATI and the Quiverfull movement and began writing tons of articles about how nuts it is.

[singsingsing]

I think they've always said they weren't Quiverfull. They always played ignorant in the past when they were (rarely) questioned about it. "Oh, we don't align with any particular group! We just love babies and want to leave that in God's hands!"

[MoonFace]

It's sort of disappointing that the Duggars don't go to a mainstream church so that they would be out in public this morning.

I wonder how long before someone starts asking them questions when they go shopping at Walmart?

[ljohnson2006]

Hey, Anna. Wake up! How is Smuggar’s cheating your fault? Did you know that he was doing it, and did nothing about it? I don’t think so. Stop blaming yourself, for your husband’s actions. Smugs is his own person. It’s not your fault that he’s an idiot. This is worse then when she blamed herself for Smugs’ weight gain. Were you shoving the food in his mouth? Don’t think so. Do yourself, and you children a favor. Get out, and get some real help. Stop taking responsibility for what your husband does. You have a choice. You and your children can live a happy life by yourselves, or stand by a man who has admitted to be a porno addict, forcibly touching his siblings, and unfaithful to you. Your choice.

[refugee]

Hey, Anna. Wake up! How is Smuggar’s cheating your fault? Did you know that he was doing it, and did nothing about it? I don’t think so. Stop blaming yourself, for your husband’s actions. Smugs is his own person. It’s not your fault that he’s an idiot. This is worse then when she blamed herself for Smugs’ weight gain. Were you shoving the food in his mouth? Don’t think so. Do yourself, and you children a favor. Get out, and get some real help. Stop taking responsibility for what your husband does. You have a choice. You and your children can live a happy life by yourselves, or stand by a man who has admitted to be a porno addict, forcibly touching his siblings, and unfaithful to you. Your choice.

Y'know, taking blame is a coping mechanism -- dysfunctional as all get-out, but a coping mechanism that gives an illusion of control.

The thinking is, if you can figure out how you were to blame for something, that means that *you* can make the situation change if you just do something different.

It's very sad, but I know people with this mindset.

[calimojo]

Fundie or not, I think many people react to being cheated on at some point by questioning themselves. "Was I sexy enough, was I good enough in bed, etc". So that reaction itself isn't unusual, but the difference with the fundie culture here, is that they are taught from the beginning that pretty much everything wrong in the marriage is the fault of the woman. So while a person who has a cheating spouse, might question their own worth to some degree, normally they have friends and family who offer them support and reinforce the idea that the cheater is the wrong one, and don't just add to the self blame

But Poor Anna, as a woman in this terrible patriarchal fundie society has been told that as a wife she is at fault if her husband is unhappy, or breaks the law, or cheats, or gambles or drinks. As a woman, she is more prone to the temptations by the devil, and so if her husband comes to no good, it is likely because she has somehow allowed the influence of the devil into her home.

She will be blamed for this by her peer group, and her parents, Josh's parents and his siblings. Additionally, she will be pressured into forgiveness and staying even though, by now, anyone with a brain could see that the likelihood of Josh ever fully reforming is next to nil.

[MoonFace]

So, how do you think Sunday dinner went at Ma and Pa Duggar's today?

[2manyKidzzz]

So, how do you think Sunday dinner went at Ma and Pa Duggar's today?

I wonder if Anna is alone with Smugger in the rehabbed house...just her and the Mkids and Josh. Hopefully with at least a J'slave to help.....although I don't know if Jinger and Jana are back., probably so. Joy is in El Salvador.

Scary thought. Baby Voice there too.

[MakeItSo]

I wonder if Anna is alone with Smugger in the rehabbed house...just her and the Mkids and Josh. Hopefully with at least a J'slave to help.....although I don't know if Jinger and Jana are back., probably so. Joy is in El Salvador.

Scary thought. Baby Voice there too.

I was thinking about their living arrangements, too. Like, are all the kiddos at the TTH and Anna and Smuggar are to work out their "differences"? As much as that mere thought makes me gag (ANNA ARE YOU OK? Are you ok? Are you ok, Annie?...JUST RUN!), I really hope that the M's are kind of shielded from all this for now. They must still be awfully confused, though. Kids pick up on a LOT of stuff, especially when it's about their parents. I always knew when my parents weren't getting along. You can just feel it.

[Beermeet]

I was thinking about their living arrangements, too. Like, are all the kiddos at the TTH and Anna and Smuggar are to work out their "differences"? As much as that mere thought makes me gag (ANNA ARE YOU OK? Are you ok? Are you ok, Annie?...JUST RUN!), I really hope that the M's are kind of shielded frsom all this for now. They must still be awfully confused, though. Kids pick up on a LOT of stuff, especially when it's about their parents. I always knew when my parents weren't getting along. You can just feel it.

I can't even believe Anna is not getting alone time. She has a newborn so, baby must be with her. I like that her sane siblings are being supportive. However, if she is under JB's umbrella, their efforts will seem like attacks. Anna is a prisoner of sorts. I wish she could get a few days away from fundies, be with her siblings. Damn her parents. How could they?!?! JB and M only care about themselves. So much stress and zero time to sort it out. Not cool. If they could only see her as human.

[Beermeet]

Fundie or not, I think many people react to being cheated on at some point by questioning themselves. "Was I sexy enough, was I good enough in bed, etc". So that reaction itself isn't unusual, but the difference with the fundie culture here, is that they are taught from the beginning that pretty much everything wrong in the marriage is the fault of the woman. So while a person who has a cheating spouse, might question their own worth to some degree, normally they have friends and family who offer them support and reinforce the idea that the cheater is the wrong one, and don't just add to the self blame

But Poor Anna, as a woman in this terrible patriarchal fundie society has been told that as a wife she is at fault if her husband is unhappy, or breaks the law, or cheats, or gambles or drinks. As a woman, she is more prone to the temptations by the devil, and so if her husband comes to no good, it is likely because she has somehow allowed the influence of the devil into her home.

She will be blamed for this by her peer group, and her parents, Josh's parents and his siblings. Additionally, she will be pressured into forgiveness and staying even though, by now, anyone with a brain could see that the likelihood of Josh ever fully reforming is next to nil.

With that kind of twisted logic, I would think the women would be prone to getting in trouble! Since we can't be trusted and all. :angry-banghead:

No one is in charge of anyone else's adult life choices! If the men are all knowing than why is the blame for their shit behaviour up too the lesser sex ( their words, not mine!!!)? I should really stop trying to figure this out. It only leads to :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:

[Sweet Fellowship]

I just read Daniel Keller's comments on Jessa's Facebook page. I'm so glad somebody in the family has reached out to her. It's a shame she seems to want to stay.

[ckw]

If Jesus has showered the Duggars with blessings because He thinks they are worthy, was the death of Caleb a punishment because they used birth control? Was the loss of Jubilee Jesus telling them that they had done something else wrong and were no longer worthy of his blessing? Jesus blessed them with a television ministry but did he punish them by taking it away? Just trying to understand their brand of Christianity. Jessa surely believes that Jesus punishes sinners so I assume that the whole clan does. Are their current trials and travails a result of Jesus punishing them for sins? I've noticed that many Christians thank the Lord for blessings but seldom give Him any credit for punishment.

[SassyPants]

If Jesus has showered the Duggars with blessings because He thinks they are worthy, was the death of Caleb a punishment because they used birth control? Was the loss of Jubilee Jesus telling them that they had done something else wrong and were no longer worthy of his blessing? Jesus blessed them with a television ministry but did he punish them by taking it away? Just trying to understand their brand of Christianity. Jessa surely believes that Jesus punishes sinners so I assume that the whole clan does. Are their current trials and travails a result of Jesus punishing them for sins? I've noticed that many Christians thank the Lord for blessings but seldom give Him any credit for punishment.

I hate that the Duggars call themselves Christian. Whatever hybrid amalgamation of Gothardianty they practice is certainly foreign to most mainstream Christian denominations.

Let's start with who they worships? BG or JC

Next, they appear to be Christians who totally disregard the NT, in totally deference to the OT.

They then go on to cherry picking the OT.

Smoke and Mirrors religiosity.

No actual church- they make up the rules...seems the Duggars worship a religion of convenience.