Duggars By the Dozen - General Discussion - Lucky 13

[justbecause]

Statistically speaking, at least one and probably two of those kids are gay (NOT speculating on anyone in particular, just speaking generally). Given the "no touching!" courtship, I think a gay one could easily court a member of the opposite sex, enjoying the pleasure of a friend's company.

If any of the girls are lesbians and get married, I assume she would still be so brainwashed that she would see it as her duty to have sex with her husband. It's very sad really, she'd never get to have sex she really enjoyed.

If any of the guys are gay and get married, he's not going to have any real desire for his wife. Will he be able to do his duty, so to speak, and impregnate his wife? Will he be able to do it many, many times? And neither of them would ever get to have great sex either.

I know gay people have been pretending to be straight for hundreds of years, but it's the 21st century.

I'm not even sure what my point is anymore. I just think these Quiverfull parents are such awful, selfish cruel people. They didn't grow up isolated from everything, unable to date or even leave the house alone. They dated, picked their own spouses and, according to them, did a great job because they all have great marriages. Have they ever thought about how they would have reacted to living under the rules they impose on their children?

This "isolate the children, wait for god to drop a spouse on the front porch" philosophy is where they failed to think their clever plan all the way through. They want to use their overwhelming numbers to take over society/government but they seem to have an awful lot of single adults living with them and not producing any blessings.

I've thought about that too. Although I think that person/persons if that happened would pretend and do what was needed and probably have a secret life on the side.

[justbecause]

https://www.duggarfamily.com/michelles-blog?ID=651536de-8b7d-4525-afb0-3f525bc390e1

Statement from Josh

It looks like they've taken it down - the 'site' is having maintenance issues

[justbecause]

https://www.duggarfamily.com/michelles-blog?ID=651536de-8b7d-4525-afb0-3f525bc390e1

Statement from Josh

Do you remember what the statement said?

[J'ean Skirt]

Do you remember what the statement said?

A Statement From Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar and Josh Duggar

August 20, 2015

Statement from Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar:

Please see the statement below from our son Josh regarding recent media stories about him. When we learned of this late last night our hearts were broken. As we continue to place our trust in God we ask for your prayers for Josh, Anna, our grandchildren and our entire family.

Statement from Josh Duggar:

I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have been unfaithful to my wife.

I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him.

I have brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions.

The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country I was hiding my own personal failures.

As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all the hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example.

I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time.

Josh Duggar

Permalink: duggarfamily.com/2015/8/statements-from-jim-bob-and-michelle-duggar-and-josh-duggar

[SpoonfulOSugar]

The Josh Ashley Madison story has its own threads:

Part One

Part Two

And we've been asked to break links to non-news type sites, especially the fundies, so if you could omit or delete the http and www from them so they aren't live, it would be helpful.

[ljohnson2006]

I hope Anna doesn't convince Josh to have another baby to try and save their marriage. Bringing another innocent baby into this mess, will do nothing to fix what's already happened. Anna needs real counseling, and to be able to make the choice about whether or not she wants to stay with this scum bag.

[MakeItSo]

"As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences."

this sentence to me says it all. As stated before, I do not condone promiscuity and at the end of the day he made a terrible decision BUT I would lie if I didn't say that I believe a lot of this is a direct result of how he was raised. Bear with me here... I am very fascinated by what drives people. There is a reason for everything we do, the way we handle situations, etc and a lot of it has to do with how we were raised (plus personality, mental health etc). I have made this point before but if your environment and knowledge acquisition is as controlled and limited as Smuggar's was when he was growing up, there is a chance that he never truly learned about real world cause and effect beyond "if I don't follow the rules, I get punished". Once he moved out he had "the freedom to choose" and just how some kids enter college and make terrible decisions that first year of being away from home, Josh did his version of that. Not sure if I'm alone in thinking this way. As much as I like to snark on this family, it must be incredibly tough on Jchelle, (hopefully) slowly realizing that maybe everything she believes in/choices that were made for the kids weren't the best ones.

[gustava]

Makeitso.....Interesting perspective. Josh never had the chance to sow wild oats, to learn how to be himself. He was "the golden child" and stuck with that role. I feel sorry for him.

[MakeItSo]

Makeitso.....Interesting perspective. Josh never had the chance to sow wild oats, to learn how to be himself. He was "the golden child" and stuck with that role. I feel sorry for him.

Thank you. For Josh, with his personality, being raised in the cult(ure) he was, seems to have been a bad thing. This is not to say that some of the other kids are not happy. They may be. Jill seems to be enjoying her life and she seems to agree with it.

I think another thing is, too, that if you go to a school (public or private....just NOT the dinner table), even if you yourself don't make terrible mistakes, you at least get exposed to others around you making bad decisions and that also helps you gauge case and effect as you're growing up. I know a big reason I, myself, have never tried drugs was because I saw what it did to some of my friends' parents. I didn't need someone to tell me "drugs are bad".I saw how it affected the individual and their kids (my friends). Or maybe it was the kid in class who posted something online not realizing it would be there forever...those are all lessons people seem to learn growing up just by being there, in the real world. Smuggar didn't have that kind of exposure.

[Mela99]

I have to wonder - did HE tell his parents what he did, or did they catch wind of it before he fessed up?

[Mela99]

I have to wonder - did HE tell his parents what he did, or did they catch wind of it before he fessed up?

[bostonista]

I have to wonder - did HE tell his parents what he did, or did they catch wind of it before he fessed up?

I mean, in this day and age, they must have a google alert set for their name don't you think? I can't honestly imagine that he would go to them and tell them it was coming- I think they'd have to confront him.

[Cochise]

I've just been looking at the "Duggar Family Official" facebook page, and boy, are Josh, Jim Bob and Michelle taking a beating. I'm not surprised that they're after Josh; he deserves it, for any number of things. But do many, many statements critical of Jim Bob and Michelle normally stay on the site for hours? There are scores of critical ones right now, and they say again and again that if Josh hadn't been raised in such a repressed, isolated, uneducated way he might not have come to this point, and/or that if Jim Bob and Michelle hadn't hidden his molestations away from the law and gotten him bogus "therapy" things would not have progressed as they have. (True enough; for one thing, yes, perhaps Anna learned that Josh had "sinned" in some way, but did she get the full story, or the sanitized "no big deal" version? Did she have enough understanding of sex to have a complete idea of what she was being told? Were her parents also told, and if so, did they get the whole story? Since no one was telling the whole story to anyone but investigators, it seems unlikely. Would any parents have been so dazzled by the Duggar Fundie Magic that they'd hand a daughter over to Josh if they really knew what he'd gotten up to with his sisters? Did they know he got caught watching porn while supposedly working?)

There's also a comment from a guy who says he forgives Josh. Er, sorry, pal, but that's not your call.

Looks like yelling "Nike!" wasn't quite enough.

The fall of Josh and his parents--not the Duggars as a whole, who aren't complicit--has come in stages. Is there going to be a time when things get so bad that Jim Bob and Michelle realize they can't pray the problem away, offer to provide therapy to incest victims, etc. etc. etc., and instead just feel shame? Will the leghumpers ever be fed up? Will there come a point at which people just say "Enough, go away, no we don't want to see you on TV any more, you're moral charlatans"?

[MisUndrstd]

I've just been looking at the "Duggar Family Official" facebook page, and boy, are Josh, Jim Bob and Michelle taking a beating. I'm not surprised that they're after Josh; he deserves it, for any number of things. But do many, many statements critical of Jim Bob and Michelle normally stay on the site for hours? There are scores of critical ones right now, and they say again and again that if Josh hadn't been raised in such a repressed, isolated, uneducated way he might not have come to this point, and/or that if Jim Bob and Michelle hadn't hidden his molestations away from the law and gotten him bogus "therapy" things would not have progressed as they have. (True enough; for one thing, yes, perhaps Anna learned that Josh had "sinned" in some way, but did she get the full story, or the sanitized "no big deal" version? Did she have enough understanding of sex to have a complete idea of what she was being told? Were her parents also told, and if so, did they get the whole story? Since no one was telling the whole story to anyone but investigators, it seems unlikely. Would any parents have been so dazzled by the Duggar Fundie Magic that they'd hand a daughter over to Josh if they really knew what he'd gotten up to with his sisters? Did they know he got caught watching porn while supposedly working?)

There's also a comment from a guy who says he forgives Josh. Er, sorry, pal, but that's not your call.

Looks like yelling "Nike!" wasn't quite enough.

The fall of Josh and his parents--not the Duggars as a whole, who aren't complicit--has come in stages. Is there going to be a time when things get so bad that Jim Bob and Michelle realize they can't pray the problem away, offer to provide therapy to incest victims, etc. etc. etc., and instead just feel shame? Will the leghumpers ever be fed up? Will there come a point at which people just say "Enough, go away, no we don't want to see you on TV any more, you're moral charlatans"?

I think the Duggars at this point are probably getting tired of fighting a losing battle. I know previously they would police comments on their blog or their Facebook page heavily. But they probably figure, "why bother anymore". It's done, it's over all their fame and glory is past tense there is no hope in bringing anything back. I imagine their house is like a tomb. They fought the demon that is in Josh but in the end the demon that is Josh won. I can only hope they regroup enough, see the error in some of their ways and focus on educating their children so they have the arsenal of knowledge they need to go out into the real World and get good enough careers to support themselves.

[DeFrauder]

I went over there to take a look. There are literally hundreds, maybe thousands of scathing comments. Some are a day old. Whoever is on delete duty has given up.

I find it odd they have not turned off commenting.

[MakeItSo]

I went over there to take a look. There are literally hundreds, maybe thousands of scathing comments. Some are a day old. Whoever is on delete duty has given up.

I find it odd they have not turned off commenting.

which causes me to wonder who ACTUALLY runs their social media accounts? Do they pay someone to do it? Or is it a "sweet friend" who is doing it because their servant's heart called them to help out? I somehow highly doubt that Jchelle actually sits there at the computer all day long, deleting comments.

[tcach]

Maybe Jana or Jinger has been doing it. We can only hope that they have read comments which may cause them to question their life and consider getting out.

[jqlgoblue]

You'd think JB would be so cheap he'd make Jana/Jinger do it BUT you raise a good point about them seeing things they aren't supposed to. Maybe it got too expensive to pay someone.

[chris]

I think Jim Boob and Michelle (mainly Michelle) run their social media accounts. I can just hear her voice in my head as I read their Facebook posts.

Examples

Aug 10, when Michelle had jury duty - "Well today this girl has jury duty. Here is our pre--Civic duty Selfie."

July 12 - "Well, sweet Anna is now past her due date! First time she has ever gone "late" instead of early! Here she is with our Jessa. Be praying for these girls. Pretty soon we will get to kiss the sweet face of another Duggar grandbaby!!!"

Plus, when Jinger or Jana post, they sign their names to it.

[NormalBikiniWearingMom]

Will the leghumpers ever be fed up? ?

:dance:

Former leghumper here, gave it the molestation news a few days to sink in and once Douchebag's anti-confession came out, fuhgeddabout it. Cheating on his wife isn't a shock, sadly, because he's had issues for years and no one, least of all him, has dealt with them.

[hilee]

Anyone else worried about Anna? I think it was after one of the boys I remember it seeming on the show like her happiness was a bit forced. If she's already prone to post partum depression and all this happens? I'm sure she isn't getting support from her family to leave Josh, except for a few of the siblings that are more mainstream and I'm sure she sees how they are treated by Ma and Pa and is scared.

[NormalBikiniWearingMom]

Definitely scared for her. This is a horrendous blow when she's literally at her most vulnerable. She'd already endured Josh Gate 1 and moved cross country back to the country. Going from DC to Arkansas would be a shock even for someone who grew up rural. I felt DC really agreed with her, she never looked better.

[Beermeet]

I really hope someone, anyone is helping Anna. She needs time without Josh. For as long as she needs. Just her and the baby. To digest what has happened and cry it out. I really hope she can get away from the Duggars for a bit. I can't imagine going through this with in-laws all over the place and all her kids. Even a few days would be beyond helpful to her.

Also, I wonder how pissed Jessa is! Upstaged again. Marsha, marsha, marsha style.

[2manyKidzzz]

I just went to the Duggar Family Official Facebook page and see no comments about the scandal.

Am I blind....or did they finally delete them.

[2manyKidzzz]

I just went to the Duggar Family Official Facebook page and see no comments about the scandal.

Am I blind....or did they finally delete them.