Lori and Ken Alexander's Big Ol' Bucket o' Crazy - Part 2

[jerkit]

I've been a bit busy so I haven't been able to really go read these comments in detail.

BUT I'M SO HAPPY ROBERT IS BACK! :cracking-up: :popcorn2:

How sure are you that Anonymous is CM? I still think he needs credit when he posts so he usually only uses amanhiswife.

[Firiel]

How sure are you that Anonymous is CM? I still think he needs credit when he posts so he usually only uses amanhiswife.

Not really sure. Just full of wishful belief because Ken and Lori are responding so thoroughly and politely to an Anonymous asshat.

[usmcmom]

From part of his comment on Lori's recent post:

By telling women that "God designed sex, well, actually He designed lovemaking" it setting up a scenario where many women especially in our crowd who struggle with anything that is not slow, soft, etc can fall into the trap of telling themselves and their husbands that their husbands very natural desire for his wife is perverted and because he has been watching porn. When nothing could be further from the truth

From part of his post on Peaceful Wife's blog:

I heard the “I just feel like a piece of meat†thing…when nothing could have been further than the truth.

(peacefulwife.com/2013/03/03/from-the-thankful-husband/)

For some reason, the term "when nothing could be further from the truth" jumped out at me yesterday. I remember thinking that Robert was so arrogant in thinking, when I read Peaceful Wife's post, that if HE believed he treated his wife well, it didn't matter what she actually thought. "The truth" is what Robert deems it to be.

I agree with the previous poster that we shouldn't accuse "Anonymous" of being Robert if we aren't 100% sure; Lord knows that's a horrible accusation if the poor writer is not Robert. But so many things about his writing - his defensiveness, his obsession with selfish sex - in my opinion, do point to Robert.

If Anonymous is not Robert, we need to be very afraid. That just means there are more of them out there. :o

[dairyfreelife]

Looking at their fbs, I am a bit surprised at why some of you like Emily so much. Yeah, she seems more feminist than Lori, but she clearly thinks it's okay to control other women's bodies. Totally not cool.

[2xx1xy1JD]

BTW, what on earth is a purity camp?

I'm familiar with religious/ideological camps in general, but never heard of one focused just on not having sex. How do you revolve a whole camp around that?

[littlemommy]

BTW, what on earth is a purity camp?

I'm familiar with religious/ideological camps in general, but never heard of one focused just on not having sex. How do you revolve a whole camp around that?

I guess everyone sits around not having sex. Camp=successful!

[Firiel]

I guess everyone sits around not having sex. Camp=successful!

So... am I attending "purity day camp" every day when I go to work?

[spud]

Anonymous doesn't capitalise "christian", "christianity" or "bible". He also knows how to use an apostrophe.

I don't think it's Bob.

[KittenMitten]

Ok I had to google purity camp. My bad because I should be doing paperwork, but FJ is addicting to me.

Most of the Purity Camps seem to be your run of the mill Christian summer camps or weekend camps, worship, prayer, activities. One camp I was thrilled to learn about was in New Hampshire. It is at a ski lodge. In winter they offer week long ski/snowboard lessons lessons for kids, both boys and girls together-gasp. Summer has a generic boys program, doing outdoor things and gaining confidence and exploring individuality-gasp. I think it was called purity due to the lake or air or something.

The scary one had programs for boys and girls, at separate times, of course. The boy's program wax called Sacred Revolution and the girl's was called The Princess Within, how to make yourself a princess from the inside out.

I also stumbled upon a a site that explained a different type of purity in the camp, from Numbers 5 in the bible. Apparently they booted people out of camp if they were unpure. So skin disease and discharge makes you unpure. I wonder if this also included someone with hives due to allergies or eczema or if a woman had her period. Who am I kidding. Of course. I do wonder how these banished people survived. Were they given shelter and food and water? What about protection?

[GeoBQn]

If you are talking about the Purity Springs Resort in New Hampshire, I think that's just a regular resort that is named after a local creek.

[KittenMitten]

If you are talking about the Purity Springs Resort in New Hampshire, I think that's just a regular resort that is named after a local creek.

Yes, I am. Sorry I did not make that clear. Looks kind of a nice place. I couldn't send my kid to Christian camp. Couple of summers ago I sent him to UU camp. It was a great experience for him. Up the lake was a Conserative Christian camp. I loved hearing how the UU counselors made up these scary around the fire about the camp. I'm sure the Christian counselors told stories about the UU which were probably far more frightening. One group my son went to was a gender identity discussion group.

[usmcmom]

My kids went to church camp. My son only went a couple of years because it just wasn't his thing and we didn't push it. Our daughter went every year for ten years and then returned as a counselor when she could. They did have Bible study a couple times a day, but also crafts, talent shows, crazy Olympics, swimming, team sports and quite delicious food. The one really conservative thing they did was toseparate the boys and girls during swim times, but there was a time (late elementary and jr. high) that my daughter was glad there were no boys at the pool with her. I'm sure in the high school years, the girls wouldn't have minded a bit if the boys had been around for some co-ed swimming. :wink-kitty: but "there shall be no mixed swimming in the pool of the Lord...."

I served as an adult counselor once (which is how I know the food was delicious) and was quite impressed on how they seamlessly moved from fireside devotionals each night to ghost stories that had the youngest ones squealing.

I wonder if Lori's "purity camp" is just a church camp. I've never heard of a purity camp either and I've spent plenty of time in some very conservative church environments.

[FundieWatcher]

Looking around Google, I found 2 Purity "camps" that were men only. Nothing like a teen camp for Christians. My guess her daughters just went to a normal religious camp that taught saving yourself marriage, alongside their talks about not stealing and all the other 10 Commandments. Lori just wants to be similar to the Bates in some way.

[KittenMitten]

Hey, usmcmom. I'm sorry about what I said about Christian camps. I was insensitive.

For whoever is interested in a Purity Camp, Google Sacred Revolt Purity Camp. It has this whole thing about the Princess theme which is interesting.

[usmcmom]

Hey, usmcmom. I'm sorry about what I said about Christian camps. I was insensitive.

For whoever is interested in a Purity Camp, Google Sacred Revolt Purity Camp. It has this whole thing about the Princess theme which is interesting.

Heh. I didn't even read what you wrote as offensive. Thanks for the apology, though. I was just throwing in my kids' experience without relation to any of the comments here.

Believe me, I'm well aware of how legalistic, and often hateful, conservative Christian organizations can be. Also, I'm aware that some of the camp's rules were quite silly, but my daughter enjoyed it (as much for the social part as anything) and we make light of lots of it now. Like when she's sitting all cuddled up with her fiancé on our couch, we'll say, in a sing song voice "leave room for Jesus," which was a tag line at her church camp. 'Cause lots of young romances blossomed during church camp.

Really, no offense noticed or taken. Thanks.

[KittenMitten]

Well, thanks.

Sounds like your daughter's camp was good, and the whole thing with cuddling on the couch-Awww. I'm a sucker for young love.

I actually get the whole male and female swim times. Our public school has a pool and many of the kids, both girls and boys, would prefer not to have coed swim. If my school, a million years ago, had a pool, I would have hated coed swim also. Unfortunately, in public school then and now it would more likely be a body image issue. That makes me sad.

[lilwriter85]

When I briefly lived in Alabama for an exchange program in college, I met a few people who worked for Young Life, a Christian youth organization. They worked as counselors at summer camp programs. Their descriptions of camps is a lot like what usmcmom described.

On the topic of purity camps, they probably do exist. I wouldn't be surprised if that Colorado Springs family that was involved in purity balls would set up purity camps.

[dairyfreelife]

Another post about women never worked in the past...clueless idiot.

lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/03/walk-in-ancient-paths.html

My grandmother and her sisters did work. Actually both of my grandmothers worked. One was an RN with a *gasp" college education back in the 1950s. My great-grandmother, their mother, worked. At least three of my great-grandmothers worked actually. My maternal great-grandmothers, one always worked menial jobs for extra income and was not allowed to drive and had barely an eighth grade education, if that. She did work Lori would never dare do. Lori will never be as awesome a woman as she was. Never. My other maternal grandmother lost her husband with 4-5 children still at home and 5-6 grown children and she had to do menial work to put food on the table. My one paternal grandmother was actually mostly a single mother. No one is really sure who my paternal grandmother's father actually is. That's right, Lori. A woman back in the late 1920s/early 1930s had a child outside of wedlock. :dance: Women have always worked outside the home. The difference between then and now is that women are allowed to get real educations with good paying and less back-breaking work for little pay.

Whiny, clueless idiot.

[2xx1xy1JD]

Another post about women never worked in the past...clueless idiot.

lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/03/walk-in-ancient-paths.html

My grandmother and her sisters did work. Actually both of my grandmothers worked. One was an RN with a *gasp" college education back in the 1950s. My great-grandmother, their mother, worked. At least three of my great-grandmothers worked actually. My maternal great-grandmothers, one always worked menial jobs for extra income and was not allowed to drive and had barely an eighth grade education, if that. She did work Lori would never dare do. Lori will never be as awesome a woman as she was. Never. My other maternal grandmother lost her husband with 4-5 children still at home and 5-6 grown children and she had to do menial work to put food on the table. My one paternal grandmother was actually mostly a single mother. No one is really sure who my paternal grandmother's father actually is. That's right, Lori. A woman back in the late 1920s/early 1930s had a child outside of wedlock. :dance: Women have always worked outside the home. The difference between then and now is that women are allowed to get real educations with good paying and less back-breaking work for little pay.

Whiny, clueless idiot.

She's been corrected again and again on this topic, but refuses to acknowledge that actual information about anyone else's grandparents can be anything other than Exception! Distraction! Red Herring! Satan interfering with her mission!

She also refuses to learn anything at all about various minorities or classes, and prefers to imagine that all women sat at home and mysteriously never had to work and had food magically appear on the table.

[2xx1xy1JD]

I usually don't comment on the more "theological" posts from Lorken, but the reference to Hitler in Sunday's post is pissing me off. They are talking about how wonderful Jesus is, because otherwise someone who couldn't forgive a Nazi guard would be doomed.

Guess what? They make it pretty clear that they believe that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus is doomed, which would include all the Jews they murdered. They also believe that faith in Jesus is the one thing that might get you into heaven, so they believe that any Nazi that found faith afterward could get in. What sort of fucked up morality would say that the murderers go to heaven while the victims go to hell?

[lilwriter85]

One of the big problems with Lori is that she truly believes that past eras were peachy with all women staying home. But we all know there were women who worked outside the home and there were good reasons for it.

Our Grandmothers, those who lived during the Great Depression era, were never ever asked what they did for a living. A woman's job was her home; where she cooked, cleaned, and raised a family. The majority of them were very content making a house into a home because they knew they were right where they were suppose to be.

Some grandmothers during that time, probably had to go out and work, even if they weren't making much money. My maternal grandparents were ranchers during the Great Depression and while my grandmother didn't work outside the home/ranch. She wasn't in the house all day. Things had to be done on the ranch with livestock. My grandmother wasn't chained in the house all day. Also depending on where people live, not everyone had gardens. Today it is the same thing, idiot Lori. Some people can only garden during part of the year.

If their husband couldn't find work or didn't make much money, they weren't expected to go out and get a job. The family, church and community would all pitch in and help. They would live on less and make due with what they had. They could care less about keeping up with the Jones' since there were no Jones'. They were content with simple furnishings and were probably very thankful for the roof over their heads and food in their bellies.

There is probably some truth to relatives, churches, and communities helping out people in need in the past and it still happens today. Idiot Lori doesn't realize that throughout history some women have had to go out and work because there is only so much churches, communities, and relatives can do for people. During the Great Depression and other eras hit by war and other issues, some families and churches, were barely making it and they probably couldn't afford to help out jobless men or men who couldn't work. Also, not everyone in the past and present wants to be taking constant help from their relatives and churches.

[Maggie Mae]

None of these women in these photos were working.

https://www.nwhm.org/online-exhibits/industry/1.htm

They were all home with their families in their houses (not shanty or apartments), cleaning their modest clothing and disciplining their children.

Honestly. Has Lori ever read a single book? Learned anything about the Industrial Revolution. Or immigration. Or farming. Also her blog posts sounds a little like something a fifth grader would write. Not the subject matter, only Lori is that uninformed. But it reads like a child's writing. Claim after claim of lies, multiple sentences with the same structure, starting with the same words.

It's honestly infuriating how she is able to stick her head so far in the sand.

[jerkit]

All day long lori pulls posts out of her ass

[lilwriter85]

None of these women in these photos were working.

https://www.nwhm.org/online-exhibits/industry/1.htm

They were all home with their families in their houses (not shanty or apartments), cleaning their modest clothing and disciplining their children.

Honestly. Has Lori ever read a single book? Learned anything about the Industrial Revolution. Or immigration. Or farming. Also her blog posts sounds a little like something a fifth grader would write. Not the subject matter, only Lori is that uninformed. But it reads like a child's writing. Claim after claim of lies, multiple sentences with the same structure, starting with the same words.

It's honestly infuriating how she is able to stick her head so far in the sand.

She only reads the bible. But weren't there working women in the bible?

[EmiGirl]

She only reads the bible. But weren't there working women in the bible?

It was ok for them because they worked out of their homes.