Lori and Ken Alexander's Big Ol' Bucket o' Crazy - Part 2

[Loveday]

Lori is super pissed that people disagreed with her about tithing. Her new post is all "I won't be publishing dissenting opinions" and theological snobbism. *eye roll*

As well as, "If you're interested in doing an in-depth, amazing study of Galatians,

Michael Pearl's study on this is eye-opening!"

Thank you, Lori, but I will pass on doing a Michael Pearl study on ANYTHING. :ew:

[polecat]

Lori is super pissed that people disagreed with her about tithing. Her new post is all "I won't be publishing dissenting opinions" and theological snobbism. *eye roll*

Kennanias and SeppLori.

[polecat]

Lori is super pissed that people disagreed with her about tithing. Her new post is all "I won't be publishing dissenting opinions" and theological snobbism. *eye roll*

Kennanias and SeppLori.

[Koala]

It's because a fb poster had a dissenting opinion with Bible verses to back her position. Lori says she allows debate as long as it's respectful and Biblical, but she has no answer for this lady, so she has to plug her ears, stamp her feet, and declare, "NO ONE PUT'S LORI IN A CORNER!" :roll:

[Firiel]

Lori is super pissed that people disagreed with her about tithing. Her new post is all "I won't be publishing dissenting opinions" and theological snobbism. *eye roll*

I thought you were giving up reading Lori. :lol:

[formergothardite]

It's because a fb poster had a dissenting opinion with Bible verses to back her position. Lori says she allows debate as long as it's respectful and Biblical, but she has no answer for this lady, so she has to plug her ears, stamp her feet, and declare, "NO ONE PUT'S LORI IN A CORNER!" :roll:

I would love to see Lori's face when she reads dissenting comments that are supported by the Bible. :lol:

[littlemommy]

I would love to see Lori's face when she reads dissenting comments that are supported by the Bible. :lol:

It doesn't say that in my copy of the Bible!--Lori

[jerkit]

I thought you were giving up reading Lori. :lol:

She got me :-/

[2xx1xy1JD]

I'm looking at that now and bingo that is why Ken is pissed. Most of the people listed on that page are women and they are Ken and Ryan's competition. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ryan has the same hateful attitude that Lori and Ken have towards working women.

I had seen that too.

It makes sense that much of their competition is female. Much of the work can be done from home, it has flexible hours, and some of the consultants are former staff in orthodontal practices.

I will say that the new website is a tad better than the old one.

As for Steven's practice - it's pretty common for younger dentists to buy an established practice from an older one, and have the older one stay on for a while. That's what my BIL did. It allows the older one to semi-retire, and the patients are more likely to stay on if there is some continuity. It also makes sense to look for an area that is underserviced, with lots of potential patients but fewer orthodontists willing to live there.

[kpmom]

She got me :-/

Consider it your Lenten sacrifice, jerkit.

[jerkit]

Consider it your Lenten sacrifice, jerkit.

I should have!

Guys, she's seriously so toxic. I need therapy or something :P

[GolightlyGrrl]

Didn't Lori once have a post encouraging people to grow their own food?

As if she would ever grow her own food. This broad would get the vapors putting a head of lettuce back into the fridge.

[usmcmom]

For those who asked about Ken and financially supporting adult kids. . .

Ken's new business website is called "Alexander and Sons." There's a pic of him and his two sons, including the one who is an orthodontist in NY. There's no sign of the son-in-law who was formerly a construction worker. I wonder if orthodontists read his bio and were disinclined to hire him, because he clearly had no background in orthondontics (he seems like a nice guy, not trashing him). Anyway, he's gone.

There's another interesting thing about that website. Ken's son Steven just graduated from orthodontist school last summer. Yet he is described as an "owner" of a practice in New York. If you go to the practice website, there is no mention of Steven, except for an occasional picture or two on the practice website. Also, the name "Alexander" is added to the practice name. But nearly everything on the website is about Dr. Bartlett, the original owner.

It also seems Dr. Bartlett and Ken are old friends. He is the first testimonial on Ken's website,saying Ken is great. And "Ken A. from Carlsbad, CA" gives Dr. Bartlett two positive reviews on Yelp.

On Ken's website, there is an article about young orthodontists buying the practices of older ones. They recommend the young orthodontist work with the older one for a few years as part of the transition. I imagine that either Ken purchased Steven's share of the practice, or made the downpayment, or perhaps Steven is doing it entirely on is own by working for his share. I'm not sure how these things work.

There's a few interesting things in that article (I"m not including links because I'm not sure if it's OK). It suggests that you don't want to buy a practice in an area that is too "poor", because, of course, you won't make enough money. It also says taht young orthodontists may have to start out in a place that is "cold" (or has other undesirable features) but can always sell out after a while to move to a more desirable location.

Anyway the thing that struck me was the description of young Steven as an "owner" of a practice that he has only worked at for a few months and that he probably has contributed very little equity.

Edited to clarify

Re: the bolded: It sure shows Ken's true colors to encourage young professionals to stay away from "poor" areas. Wouldn't a Godly man leave that part out, maybe encourage giving decent service and care to those who can't usually acquire it - you know...serving the least of these and all that? I understand he has a business to run, but that just sounds so elitist.

Also, because I'm feeling a little nit picky today; his comment about someplace "cold" sounds both childish and insulting. Is he implying that doctors and dentists that settle in such states are below par and can't get jobs in more desirable locations? 'Cause I can assure Ken, that as I stare out at the eight inches of snow in my yard, I have every confidence in the healthcare professionals in our area. It looks like he just needed, as usual, to use as many words as he could think of. Maybe he asked Emma "Emma, what makes a place yucky?" And she said "um....it's cold?"

[2xx1xy1JD]

Re: the bolded: It sure shows Ken's true colors to encourage young professionals to stay away from "poor" areas. Wouldn't a Godly man leave that part out, maybe encourage giving decent service and care to those who can't usually acquire it - you know...serving the least of these and all that? I understand he has a business to run, but that just sounds so elitist.

Also, because I'm feeling a little nit picky today; his comment about someplace "cold" sounds both childish and insulting. Is he implying that doctors and dentists that settle in such states are below par and can't get jobs in more desirable locations? 'Cause I can assure Ken, that as I stare out at the eight inches of snow in my yard, I have every confidence in the healthcare professionals in our area. It looks like he just needed, as usual, to use as many words as he could think of. Maybe he asked Emma "Emma, what makes a place yucky?" And she said "um....it's cold?"

I thought that this was actually the best written and most logical stuff that we've seen from Ken (which makes me suspect that someone else wrote or edited it).

Under-serviced areas have more income potential. There are more factors at work than just the weather, but it is one thing that makes some places more desirable than others. The California market is probably saturated and office costs more expensive compared to, say, North Dakota. My BIL's sister just moved back to Winnipeg from Toronto, and her income has seen a huge jump. It's a simple case of supply and demand.

Same thing with looking at the population in a location. He's giving business advice, not talking about how to establish a free clinic. Orthodontic work is great if you can afford it, but it's not an absolute necessity. It's not fully covered by all health plans, and families who are struggling and who don't have great coverage won't make it a priority. You also need an area with a lot of kids ages 10-15, so a retirement community or place populated by young singles may not have a lot of potential patients.

[Hisey]

I thought that this was actually the best written and most logical stuff that we've seen from Ken (which makes me suspect that someone else wrote or edited it).

Under-serviced areas have more income potential. There are more factors at work than just the weather, but it is one thing that makes some places more desirable than others. The California market is probably saturated and office costs more expensive compared to, say, North Dakota. My BIL's sister just moved back to Winnipeg from Toronto, and her income has seen a huge jump. It's a simple case of supply and demand.

Same thing with looking at the population in a location. He's giving business advice, not talking about how to establish a free clinic. Orthodontic work is great if you can afford it, but it's not an absolute necessity. It's not fully covered by all health plans, and families who are struggling and who don't have great coverage won't make it a priority. You also need an area with a lot of kids ages 10-15, so a retirement community or place populated by young singles may not have a lot of potential patients.

Yes, he is giving business advice, but there is more than one way to run a business. Running a business does not HAVE to mean "make as much money as you can."

I know people who move to poor, rural areas to provide medical or dental services. They are definitely not maximizing their income potential, but they are trying to help the people there. They are running a business, too, AND helping the "poor" that Ken is advising we avoid.

I don't really have a problem with anything Ken wrote. But for someone who always has Christianity on the tip of his tongue, he certainly forgets it quickly when it comes to "running a business."

When I read Lori's post on tithing, I thought, "Well, they certainly can't afford fancy weddings with expensive videos if they tithe all their money away." I suspect that is what was behind it all. I bet all the "tithing" they do is paying for their kids' needs and wants.

That business about the cold was weird. Many of the most desirable areas of the country --New York. Boston, Chicago-- are in cold areas, yet they have high real estate prices, indicating that people find the areas desirable. I suspect Ken's attitude comes from years spent living in Carlsbad in southern CA. Actually, I've been to Carlsbad and I found it quite undesirable because (though the weather is great) is so so incredibly crowded and congested. Yuck!

[Grimalkin]

I would love to see Lori's face when she reads dissenting comments that are supported by the Bible. :lol:

I am sure her expression remains vapid. She is incapeable of comprehending logic.

[lilwriter85]

I'm not familiar with the cost of living in upstate New York where Steven is now living. But that could have been a factor, in why he chose to work with that orthodontist that is friend of Ken's. Steven might have dental and orthodontic school debt and he is trying to find ways to pay it off sooner.

Lori said on the blog that Cassi's husband Ryan is going to one of the cheapest dental schools in the country. As others upthread mentioned, he likely has debt due to pharmacy school, which he didn't finish. If Ryan goes into orthodontics after dental school, he will probably end up as a partner in Ken's business somehow.

[dairyfreelife]

Looks like they're getting another grandchild. Poor kid. :(

[usmcmom]

There's an interesting conversation going on at her blog today:

(lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/02/wheres-lovemaking-gone.html)

First of all; for her initial question "Where's the Lovemaking Gone?" I want to tell her to ask her great friend Robert about that. You know, the man who defies scripture and brags about denying his wife sexual satisfaction.

Also, Anonymous has this to say:

I agree that it is about loving each other and becoming one flesh (and producing children)- my problem was the word lovemaking because it has an assumed definition, and like intimacy is has largely been defined by christian women. Lovemaking to a christian man who has never viewed pornography will still be considered depraved to many a christian woman in their frame of "lovemaking." We are naturally more aggressive, adventureous- sorry don't want to get graphic (and not that we should not be loving, cherishing & being understanding with our wives). Just saying that men and women are different- lovemaking is a definition that has been defined by romance novels and TV- not the bible, so using it will set up a stumbling block between men and women that will cause much hardship if we set it up as what is biblical.

This is just part of his second comment and I'm not sure what he's trying to say. I think he's saying that the word "lovemaking" makes women assume that sex with their husbands should be gentle, romantic and fulfilling; and he's saying that's NOT how it should be???

And, Lori qualifies, at least once, the use of porn by using the term "heavily into porn," implying that "light" porn usage is okay. Reads like more justification to me.

Finally...another grandchild?!?

[polecat]

There's an interesting conversation going on at her blog today:

(lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/02/wheres-lovemaking-gone.html)

First of all; for her initial question "Where's the Lovemaking Gone?" I want to tell her to ask her great friend Robert about that. You know, the man who defies scripture and brags about denying his wife sexual satisfaction.

Also, Anonymous has this to say:

This is just part of his second comment and I'm not sure what he's trying to say. I think he's saying that the word "lovemaking" makes women assume that sex with their husbands should be gentle, romantic and fulfilling; and he's saying that's NOT how it should be???

And, Lori qualifies, at least once, the use of porn by using the term "heavily into porn," implying that "light" porn usage is okay. Reads like more justification to me.

Finally...another grandchild?!?

This irks me. WHY does AnonyRobert get to decide what is and isn't biblical re: "lovemaking"? Why on earth must EVERYthing be a battle?! Why does it have to be one thing or another (gentle and romantic OR rough and aggressive)? Why can't there be compromise, experimentation and play?

Their sex lives must suck as bad as the rest of their lives. I already knew that by Lori's "10 minutes and lube" philosophy, but I kinda hoped it was just those two. Nope. Apparently not.

[RosyDaisy]

I have a sexy man sleeping in my bed right now who would 100%, wholeheartedly, and vehemently disagree with anonymous. Oh, and the Bible does say that men should love their wives as Christ loved the church.

[Koala]

Looks like they're getting another grandchild. Poor kid. :(

? Who's pregnant? Where was it posted?

[usmcmom]

This irks me. WHY does AnonyRobert get to decide what is and isn't biblical re: "lovemaking"? Why on earth must EVERYthing be a battle?! Why does it have to be one thing or another (gentle and romantic OR rough and aggressive)? Why can't there be compromise, experimentation and play?

Their sex lives must suck as bad as the rest of their lives. I already knew that by Lori's "10 minutes and lube" philosophy, but I kinda hoped it was just those two. Nope. Apparently not.

AnonyRobert!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I will say that when I quoted that comment, my spell check went a little crazy with all the red lines.....It was BEGGING ME not to hit "submit."

As far as lousy sex lives, Robert has bragged about his lousy technique many times. So...sadly, no...it's not just Ken and Lori.

[Firiel]

AnonyRobert!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I will say that when I quoted that comment, my spell check went a little crazy with all the red lines.....It was BEGGING ME not to hit "submit."

As far as lousy sex lives, Robert has bragged about his lousy technique many times. So...sadly, no...it's not just Ken and Lori.

Remember when Robert calculated total orgasms for each different sexual ethoses?

I miss him. :cry:

[2xx1xy1JD]

Actually, the Bible DOES differentiate between different types of sex.

The highest form is referred to a "knowing". In other places, it's just called "lying with", "going unto" or in some cases, "lie with by force".

Knowing is a word used with consensual marital sex, which suggests love and intimacy. You know - lovemaking. It can be active and boisterous, but the key is that when you "know" your partner, you are in sync about what you each want and it's about deepening intimacy and not just physical release.