Lori and Ken Alexander's Big Ol' Bucket o' Crazy - Part 2

[jerkit]

Looks like they're getting another grandchild. Poor kid. :(

Wait, what?

[littlemommy]

Anonymous is definitely our Robbie Rob. Boobert, how the HELL have you been? Did you get over having your fee fees hurt?

[dairyfreelife]

Wait, what?

Son, Ryan. Via the new website

He is married to Erin and has 2 adorable children and one on the way.

[usmcmom]

Anonymous is definitely our Robbie Rob. Boobert, how the HELL have you been? Did you get over having your fee fees hurt?

He definitely is someone Lori knows and loves. She's responding to him with actual civility even though he's disagreeing with her. With any regular ole' commenter, she laces her responses with venom. I'm guessing Robert too. He's one of the few people with whom Lori and Ken will attempt common courtesy.

I wish, whoever it is, he'd clarify his comment; but even Ken and Lori aren't pushing him to do so. It's rather vague - like he's trying to say "sex is all about HIS physical pleasure and nothing else" without actually saying it.

Of course, it IS Ken and Lori; so since they agree with his views on sex, I don't know what I'm hoping for; so...never mind.

[polecat]

Remember when Robert calculated total orgasms for each different sexual ethoses?

I miss him. :cry:

I'd bet almost anything that Mrs. AnonyRobert has never had a single orgasm with AnonyRobert. Maybe on her own (or with a previous partner, if she had sex prior to marriage) but never with him. Any "orgasms" she's had with him were more than likely performance art.

[usmcmom]

Well, at least Anonymous has clarified himself. Sort of.

Ken,

I was more trying to say that to most people, especially women, the word making love paints a picture of the marriage act. Soft, slow, gentle, sweet words, tenderness...flowers and candlelight. That definetly should be a part of any married couple's reportoire but that does not define the biblical marriage act- whether we call it sex, making love, intimacy, eros, or yada. However, the simple act of calling it making love paints the biblical marriage act into that corner because it is the defintion of making love in most people's minds. By telling women that "God designed sex, well, actually He designed lovemaking" it setting up a scenario where many women especially in our crowd who struggle with anything that is not slow, soft, etc can fall into the trap of telling themselves and their husbands that their husbands very natural desire for his wife is perverted and because he has been watching porn. When nothing could be further from the truth. "Lovemaking" encompasses a large range of things outside of slow and sweet to a husband and wife who love each other & are trying to please one another but to those women who struggle with the notion that it can't you are putting a huge stumbling block in their path because of the accepted definition of the word. Hope that makes sense.

I seriously cannot believe that he is so hung up on the phrase "making love." The man has serious issues with a woman's sexuality, doesn't he? He wants to make it clear that HIS needs - the man's needs - are more important than the woman's (scripture please!!) and that if a woman expects mutual pleasure and care in the marriage bed, then she is wrong. Poor AnonyManda. (sorry, couldn't resist)

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Women are very aware, Mr. Anonymous, that "lovemaking" does not always mean candlelight and flowers. We are very aware that it can entail any number of things. The key is that it is mutually pleasurable for both spouses. I think that is where you have a problem. You can't stand the thought that your wife is to enjoy the marriage bed as much as you. Also, I think you actually despise the word "love," not the whole term. That is where you are hung up, right? You don't want "love" anywhere near your sex life, because you believe sex is a wife's duty and you believe sex is the only reason a Christian man marries, right? If you were secure in your intimate life; if you believed you were living Biblically in that area of your life, why would you quibble over what others call it?

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[salex]

This irks me. WHY does AnonyRobert get to decide what is and isn't biblical re: "lovemaking"? Why on earth must EVERYthing be a battle?! Why does it have to be one thing or another (gentle and romantic OR rough and aggressive)? Why can't there be compromise, experimentation and play?

Their sex lives must suck as bad as the rest of their lives. I already knew that by Lori's "10 minutes and lube" philosophy, but I kinda hoped it was just those two. Nope. Apparently not.

My guess? The guys who have to have a specific , self described "wham bam, shut up and take whatever I can offer ma'am" sort of sex life, and are oppressed by women who want to have an orgasm, a different position or a different position, style or pace... these guys may be the guys who are working the hardest to get and keep it up and any thing "fancy" or slower, or that distracts them from directing all their attention at maintaining, for however long, their erection, is a distraction, and IF there are suggestions or god forbid complaints, it makes them defensive and angry. And if the woman doesn't like it, she should shut up because, men are different and feminists made up female orgasms just lately, blah blah blah.

Why else would sex make these men so angry and defensive about how often their wives do or don't reach orgasm or even enjoy it?

Why would there have to be a rule about having sex with your husband x times per week or on demand if he was any good at it at all?

[EmiGirl]

My guess? The guys who have to have a specific , self described "wham bam, shut up and take whatever I can offer ma'am" sort of sex life, and are oppressed by women who want to have an orgasm, a different position or a different position, style or pace... these guys may be the guys who are working the hardest to get and keep it up and any thing "fancy" or slower, or that distracts them from directing all their attention at maintaining, for however long, their erection, is a distraction, and IF there are suggestions or god forbid complaints, it makes them defensive and angry. And if the woman doesn't like it, she should shut up because, men are different and feminists made up female orgasms just lately, blah blah blah.

Why else would sex make these men so angry and defensive about how often their wives do or don't reach orgasm or even enjoy it?

Why would there have to be a rule about having sex with your husband x times per week or on demand if he was any good at it at all?

You hit the nail right on the head.

[ghost]

My guess? The guys who have to have a specific , self described "wham bam, shut up and take whatever I can offer ma'am" sort of sex life, and are oppressed by women who want to have an orgasm, a different position or a different position, style or pace... these guys may be the guys who are working the hardest to get and keep it up and any thing "fancy" or slower, or that distracts them from directing all their attention at maintaining, for however long, their erection, is a distraction, and IF there are suggestions or god forbid complaints, it makes them defensive and angry. And if the woman doesn't like it, she should shut up because, men are different and feminists made up female orgasms just lately, blah blah blah.

Why else would sex make these men so angry and defensive about how often their wives do or don't reach orgasm or even enjoy it?

Why would there have to be a rule about having sex with your husband x times per week or on demand if he was any good at it at all?

This is so true. :worship: :worship: :worship:

[feministxtian]

They don't seem to understand that lovemaking/sex/intimacy can encompass a spectrum from "hot monkey sex" to "long, slow, make it last". I've been married awhile (this time) and there are times when it's strip and get busy because we're horny, then there are times when the tension has been building all day, a bubble bath, soft music, long, slow and sensual.

These fundies don't get it. For the men it's just fucking...who cares if the woman gets anything out of it.

[jerkit]

Wait I thought Ryan was married to Cassi?

[dairyfreelife]

Alyssa is the eldest, married to Jon.

Kenneth Ryan is eldest son, goes by Ryan. He's married to Erin and they have two children, Emma and Ken III and apparently another on the way.

Cassi is married to a Ryan as well.

Stephen is married to Emily.

[KittenMitten]

You hit the nail right on the head.

No pun intended, I'm quite sure. Emigirl, you are great!!!11!!

[polecat]

They don't seem to understand that lovemaking/sex/intimacy can encompass a spectrum from "hot monkey sex" to "long, slow, make it last". I've been married awhile (this time) and there are times when it's strip and get busy because we're horny, then there are times when the tension has been building all day, a bubble bath, soft music, long, slow and sensual.

These fundies don't get it. For the men it's just fucking...who cares if the woman gets anything out of it.

He's such an idiot. First off, not all women are down for candles and flowers (I'm not). Second, sometimes men are more romantic than women. I know because I'm one of those "not romantic" types and have dated really romantic men who mostly made me feel uncomfortable. But even so -- none of that's important. Because in my book, it's about doing for your partner because you love them and want to please them. It goes BOTH ways. My husband loves me and wants to please me, so he does things I enjoy. I love him and want to please him, so I do things HE enjoys. Not just sexually but in all aspects of our relationship.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: These people pervert love and warp sex. They've made it something foul. It's about power and force rather than love. It's not a picture of Christ and His church. It's RobKen getting their rocks off. That's ALL it is.

[jerkit]

All men are the same and enjoy the same things sexually. All women are the same and enjoy the same things sexually. Individuality does not exist.

[EmiGirl]

No pun intended, I'm quite sure. Emigirl, you are great!!!11!!

I aim to please.

[KittenMitten]

Thank you ma'am!!!

[usmcmom]

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Anonymous · 13 hours ago

Ksdee,

I spoke pretty strongly against pornography so I don't know what to tell you except for every woman who feels hurt and betrayed by a husband's porn use there is a husband who feels hurt and betrayed because he has desires for things in the marriage bed that to his wife falls outside of "lovemaking." He would have the desire for these things because he is a man- without any porn consumption. I'm not speaking in favor of pornography but I am speaking against the idea that the modern christian women who are too afraid to use the word sex, and always define the marriage act as making love or intimacy, get to define what is "lovemaking." The bible gets to define that and it paints a much different picture than the one I hear painted by many christian women. I'm against pornography. But I'm also against heaping burdens upon men's shoulders they were not meant to carry because we've allowed christian women to get just as messed up sexually as we've allowed christian men become and then control the marriage bed. To many women, they understand that lovemaking does not mean soft, slow, etc all the time, but to a great many they do not understand that- in fact they call that perverted and unbiblical to go beyond that. No problem at all speaking out about porn. Big problem encouraging those women who have a warped view of married sex and encouraging them further in that direction. God bless-

So...to sum up. Men view porn because their wives push them into it. The ONLY reason men view porn is because their wives are not being sexually adventurous enough for them. It's the woman's fault, people!!!

We do know that Robert justified his own porn use by saying he did it because his wife wasn't enthusiastic enough and he liked watching women enjoy sex. He even said it had nothing to do with looking on other women's girly bits - or something just as eloquent.

[polecat]

So...to sum up. Men view porn because their wives push them into it. The ONLY reason men view porn is because their wives are not being sexually adventurous enough for them. It's the woman's fault, people!!!

We do know that Robert justified his own porn use by saying he did it because his wife wasn't enthusiastic enough and he liked watching women enjoy sex. He even said it had nothing to do with looking on other women's girly bits - or something just as eloquent.

He does realize that porn actors are ... ACTORS? That a good chunk if not all of that "enjoyment" is acted?!

Oh, who'm I kidding? He doesn't even seem to understand that his own wife is now reduced to faking it just to keep him off her back. :(

Amanda, I truly hope that one day you are free and able to meet a man who believes your satisfaction is just as important as his and who will take the time to ensure you enjoy every single moment of your intimacy. You deserve that.

[FundieWatcher]

Lori's post today talks about purity camps. First I've heard of that.

[usmcmom]

Once again Robert has humiliated his wife by shining a spotlight on their dysfunctional marriage, specifically their (completely unbiblical) sex life. He must feel nothing but disdain for her, the way he continues to humiliate her with his writings.

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[2xx1xy1JD]

He does realize that porn actors are ... ACTORS? That a good chunk if not all of that "enjoyment" is acted?!

Oh, who'm I kidding? He doesn't even seem to understand that his own wife is now reduced to faking it just to keep him off her back. :(

Amanda, I truly hope that one day you are free and able to meet a man who believes your satisfaction is just as important as his and who will take the time to ensure you enjoy every single moment of your intimacy. You deserve that.

E-card that needs to be send to him immediately:

http://www.someecards.com/usercards/vie ... cdeb71ea61

His POV is truly fucked up. He can't stop talking about how often, how active, how enjoyable, etc. Look - it's your bedroom and your marriage. You don't have to impress some mystery audience. There's only one other person in a position to have an opinion - your wife. Unfortunately, you seem oddly focused on trying to cut her views out of the process. THAT is the problem, because we couldn't give a shit if you decided to do it 5 times a day swinging from the ceiling if she was happily on board with it.

[littlemommy]

My favorite part is how he's posting under "Anonymous". Boobert, you are so transparent that it is pointless. Be yourself, you galumphing idiot.

[polecat]

Lori's post today talks about purity camps. First I've heard of that.

This little speech revolted me:

Being pure until you are married, saving yourself for your husband alone, that's God's design; one man, one woman, for life. You've already lived such a godly life. I'm so happy. So this is a little gift we got you. It's valuable but what you are is way more valuable than any gift we could give you. (What you are -- a virgin? -- is more valuable than anything else? Are they really saying that?) What God's given you is a wholesome, pure life and I want you to keep it until the day ("Keeping it that way," meaning keeping her hymen intact presumably, isn't always within a young woman's ability. So is a woman ruined if she is molested, raped, sexually assaulted or heck, even just "fails" to maintain your purity standards? She no longer has value?) that I hand you off to some fine young man and he'll begin to take care of you. We love you." {They both were shedding tears at this point.}(I'm shedding tears, too but because I feel so sad for the young women who are told they are only worth something if they keep that precious virginity intact.)

[Firiel]

I've been a bit busy so I haven't been able to really go read these comments in detail.

BUT I'M SO HAPPY ROBERT IS BACK! :cracking-up: :popcorn2: