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  1. fransalley

    Wanting to be right, but . . .

    For the life of me, and I'm sure I've said this before, I want to do the right thing. I don't want to say yes where God has said no, and I don't want to say no where God has said yes. But I keep feeling like I have to have some sort of degree in Biblical Studies in order to figure out what the Bible "really" says. I can't just open it, read it, and do it. A friend suggested that I study the gospel of Mark and get to know Jesus. How is that supposed to answer the question of whether or not women can preach?
  2. BackseatMom

    Roots of Royals Wife School

    I scrolled across a public post in my Facebook feed today that I had to share: Their website is nuts. Their t-shirts have the slogan "man leads." I haven't had time to dig too deep, but I knew you all would want to see this. www.rootsofroyals.com
  3. I couldn't find an active thread for the insufferable Tim and Franicia White, and have something I need to discuss NOW!! Quick background info: the family is well-known on here and good friends with the Bates and Duggars. They're an army family who lives in Chattanooga TN, into their guns and Trump, but eat all organic. Franicia is from Saipan, a Pacific island. She spectacularly transformed from a normal working girl with boyfriends to the fundiest of fundie moms. https://www.instagram.com/timandfranicia/ http://www.timandfranicia.com/ Remember their oldest daughter Heistheway? I used to feel bad for her as the oldest daughter and the only one in her family with an atrocious name. Well it gets worse. Her mom apparently put her on a diet when she was 12, and now wants to write a book about it. I'm speechless and don't even know where to start... It just reeks of body shaming and double standards, where men can be big and strong but women have to be teeny-tiny. Her husband is a huge guy. She should have thought twice before mating with him if she wanted tiny kids. And how does she know it's unnecessary weight? Her kids don't go to the doctors (she's an essential oil/chiropractor kinda gal), so this "diagnostic" is just what mom thinks a girl should look like. Heistheway looks perfectly healthy to me in pictures from a year ago (left in pink). Not to mention she was 12. 12!!!! Does her mother realize the damage she is doing to her? Anyway, these parents deserve the snark treatment. Let's make it harsh.
  4. I just thought this story was funny. http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2017/02/15/american-girl-introduces-boy-doll-local-minister-enraged/97945048/
  5. I know this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find an individual thread dedicated to it. Apologies if this is in the wrong place. http://www.ingender.com/forum/forum.aspx?ID=6 For those who don't know, there's a Gender Disappointment forum on Ingender.com that's dedicated to people experiencing disappointment and distress upon finding out their baby is not the gender that they wanted. Some even go to lengths of terminating their pregnancies or doing selective IUI. Most of them, fortunately, know that this persisting mindset is a toxic one to have, and they seek out solutions and support for how to alleviate it. I can even kinda get situations where, say, a mother has had sour relationships with all of her female relatives and is apprehensive about raising a daughter, or someone has an overbearing partner who's desperate for a son after tons of girls. The ones that frustrate me are the people who are lamenting that they'll never get their perfect pink princess who they'll get to have spa days with, or, alternatively, hate that they're having a girl because they hate pink and frills (really?). I've heard multiple accounts of users complaining about their exorbitant amount of grubby boys roughhousing in the next room (who raised them to do that, I wonder?). Much of it is very interesting, but there's also some good(?) hate-reads sprinkled in.
  6. I was at the park once and met another mom with a son the same age as mine. The boys hit it off and played happily together. She had three kids. The two oldest were biological a boy and a girl, and my son's new friend was adopted from Africa. The older ones went to a private Christian school, and her son was a preschooler. At one point she applied sun block to her bio kids then said the other boy didn't need sunblock since he was black. I thought that was strange. While he would not burn easily he still could burn, and get skin cancer. That was WTF #1. We were talking about preschools, and asked me where mine went. I told her how much we liked where ours went. She started ranting about the preschool her son went to because they did so many crafts and crafts were not appropriate for boys. She kept bringing it up. She was totally against boys doing crafts. I was so surprised I couldn't think of anything to say. Like, "carpentry is pretty much crafting for adults." Anyway, I have four kids. Three girls and a son. Of all my kids, my son is the one who likes to sit and do crafts with me. I spent the evening making ornaments with him. He made this Pikachu by himself. The others pout and sulk. My 15 year old insists she sucks at any art and does the bare minimum. My eldest is pretty talented at art but does not want to do it with ME. My ten year old sometimes humors me, but sneaks away any chance she gets. She would rather play soccer, or sing loudly off tune, she never stops moving and she is loud and boisterous and clumsy. She pretty much only wears sweat pants. My eldest despises cooking and any 'home arts' preferring real art and design. She also has what my husband calls a 'salty personality'. My 15 year old is my girly girl. She likes to dress nice, does her hair and makeup every day, and for the most part has a cheerful demeanor. But still hates crafty things, and is good at math. My family would be miserable if we had to adhere to strict fundie gender roles. Every now and then when creating stuff with my son I think of that little boy at the park and wonder if he is allowed to be himself.
  7. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-female-superheroes/ What do you want to be when you grow up? When pondering this question, most kids have given at least passing consideration to one fantastical if improbable calling: superhero. There is an understandable allure to the superhero position — wearing a special uniform (possibly with powerful accessories), saving the world from evil, and let's not forget possessing a wickedly cool special power like x-ray vision or the ability to fly. But new research by Hillary Pennell and Elizabeth Behm-Morawitz at the University of Missouri suggests that, at least for women, the influence of superheroes is not always positive. Although women play a variety of roles in the superhero genre, including helpless maiden and powerful heroine, the female characters all tend to be hypersexualized, from their perfect, voluptuous figures to their sexy, revealing attire. Exposure to this, they show, can impact beliefs about gender roles, body esteem, and self-objectification.
  8. MarblesMom

    Advice for wives

    http://www.littlethings.com/1950s-good-housewife-guide-vcom/ Just a little reminder we have come a long way, baby!
  9. thoughtful

    Macho dude advertising

    This is not really about MRAs, but this seemed like the most appropriate forum. I have been rolling my eyes until they hurt at some obnoxious Be a Macho Man ads. I don't see a lot of TV ads, since I mostly watch TCM and am quick to hit the mute button, and often get up and go do something, when watching other stations and an ad comes on. And yet, these dumb things still managed to get under my skin. Interestingly, when I went looking for a series of Chevy ads that annoy me, I found the long version, which includes all of the short ones, and a few less-obnoxious and more practical moments. It's still pretty stupid, though, and glorifies the image of a Manly Man With a Truck more than actual reasons to own a truck: [bBvideo 560,340:256nwq6j] [/bBvideo] Then there's this idiocy. which I guess the ad creators thought was mocking other macho ads. But I think it ends up sending the message "don't let those other products tell you how to be a man -- only our product can do that!" [bBvideo 560,340:256nwq6j]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veZtXsUMmIA[/bBvideo] Of course macho ads are nothing new (see the compilation below, which I found when googling for the ads I was thinking about), and even the "we're not really macho, we're being ironic about being macho" ones are getting really old, but these are the current ones that have annoyed me. [bBvideo 560,340:256nwq6j] [/bBvideo]
  10. N The Prayer Closet

    Rigid Gender Roles

    http://morningafter.gawker.com/even-fet ... 1660661062 The author of this article is hilarious. I especially love how she notes that Anna has nothing else to be excited for in life other than pregnancy (which of course isn't true but it is the way the women in this family are portrayed) and the comments are great. One commenter lamented gender reveal parties by saying "I saw a guy on the 2/3 train last week having a "gender reveal party" all by himself. Michelle would lose her marbles if she had to witness that.
  11. I mean, I believe men and women are different on average (with much overlap) but I don't see the problem with equal opportunity. Also the treating according to natural law is a fallacy, as well as dangerous since differences are so nuanced and variation within the genders is large. The military combat roles is a fallacy too. themattwalshblog.com/2013/12/28/why-it-matters-that-men-and-women-are-different/
  12. antares

    Marty Nemko?

    Pretty mainstream dude. Works with warren Farrell. Anyone want to comment? martynemko.com/articles/gold-diggers-are-alive-and-well-in-2006_id1222
  13. We need to go back to sex segregated school! The feminization of schools is ruining our boys! Never let a smart boy near a school with girls, they'll ruin everything! Fuck, why is it always womens fault when shit happens? takimag.com/article/notes_on_the_pussification_of_america_fred_reed#axzz2lWu2gAY1
  14. JesusFightClub

    It's men, bruv. It's men.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... t-mrm.html There's something that never gets stated and I'd like to state it now. "Men die at a far higher rate than women in war!" Wars started and conducted by men, with men as your opponents. "Men get raped too, even though feminists deny this!" No we don't, and yes, BY MEN. MEN ARE RAPED BY MEN. "Men are the victims of violent crime far more than women are!" BY MEN. MEN VIOLENTLY ASSAULT MEN. Do you see the constant here? It's not women.
  15. Are you a working mom? Well you are horrible and DOOOMING your child!! DOOM! Shit like this is so wide spread and does nothing but pit women against each other. There is absolutely no evidence that children of working mothers are not well adjusted...this is just trying to make other women feel bad whyiamnotafeminist.com/2013/09/30/does-anyone-care-how-the-children-of-working-mothers-feel/ Also there are apparently Traditional Women's rights activist who want women back in the 1800s secularpatriarchy.wordpress.com/category/traditional-womens-rights-activist/ Thankfully this one doesn't seem to get that much traction
  16. the-spearhead.com/2012/02/20/a-man-wants-a-wife-not-a-co-worker/ I like how he calls her the "foreignbride" instead of "my wife."
  17. markymarksthoughts.blogspot.com/2013/06/worthless-bitches.html Marky has apparantly been watching Jeresy Shore since it's first season and uses it to show how all American women are useless sluts or something like that. Basically, the girls on Jersey Shore don't help the men clean up and that's because ALL AMERICAN WOMEN ARE WORTHLESS AND NASTY WHORES Yes, Marky no American woman has EVER done anything in the house, all women are exactly like Snooki.
  18. JesusFightClub

    The Laydee Test

    Created by MRAs, find out just how sexxay you are! heartiste.wordpress.com/dating-market-value-test-for-women/ I look surprisingly like the "not hot" girl in the pics, so I think I failed already (Srsly, I do. That could almost be a shot of me in my younger days if the hair was dyed black.) Then, refreshed by your daily dose of misogyny, move swiftly to Thine is the Kingdom where you can tell how a man is inwardly by his outward look! (Because that's super Christian). allauthority.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/whats-guy-to-wear.html Is it me, or does the model #4 look like a stereotypical fascist? He really does. I was looking at him going "Ooh, I know that one. Ayrshire branch of the SDL, right? Hangs out with the guy who fancies himself as Anton LaVey?" But according to our mate Gabriel, he's I don't know if that tells more about him than he knows he's letting on. Anyway, "enjoy"!
  19. generationcedar.com/main/2013/05/women-work-freedom-one-big-fat-suicidal-error.html Also known as: Women could totally save the economy if they would just quit their jobs See? Kelly's not trying to oppress women! She just wants them to stay the hell at home where they belong. And that's nice damnit! If my great-grandmother, grandmother, or mother had stopped working "tomorrow" I'll tell you what would have happened overnight: Starvation. My grandmother walked herself to work in order to help my grandfather put beans (yes beans) on the table and a roof over my mother's head. When my grandparents died they still had some beans they refused to eat because they ate too damn many during the "lean years". She walked in the cold and everything else to a job that allowed her to buy my mother a tiny red rocking chair for Christmas that we still have to this day, and she did it all before it was "cool" for women to have a jobs. She helped to blaze a trail for smug women like Kelly who have no appreciation for the fact that we have an OPTION now. We have a choice. And the choice that's right for you and your kids might not be the choice that's right for me and mine. Umm yeah, that would be a no. My father was more than capable of working, but he decided he liked drinking better. My mom nearly worked herself to death keeping us housed and fed. She worked her way up the corporate ladder and I am so damn proud of the life she has today. You know what that taught me? Work ethic. You know what else it taught me? Women can do anything they damn well put their minds to, especially if they've got little kids counting on them. And from the comments: From Cindy at Get Along Home Kelly:
  20. In his latest post, Vox at alphagameplan.blogspot.com admonishes women who have the audacity to cut their hair short. How dare they ignore male preferences when it comes to female beauty. He is angry b/c women have ignored a post he wrote two years ago stating that men think short hair is unattractive. ALL women should have long hair, according to him. If you have short hair you are obviously a rebellious feminist or a lesbian. Vox wrote: "It is true that Halle Berry and Charlize Theron are attractive with short hair. But what so many women fail to realize is that they are attractive IN SPITE of their short hair, and that they are even more attractive with long hair. And also, they are failing to take into account that very, very few women are as attractive as these two women who are very wealthy due to their exceptional genetic gifts." A poster named Deti responded: "Memo to women: 1. For the eleventy millionth time: Confidence in a woman means exactly jack-squat NOTHING to her physical and sexual attractiveness. 2. As a matter of fact, men are the sole arbiters of what is physically and sexually attractive in women. 3. Women do not get to decide what is physically and sexually attractive about them. 4. Women do not get to decide FOR MEN what men should find physically and sexually attractive." Given how much I respect Vox and Deit's opinions, I'm going to start to grow out my hair down to my waist. How about you?
  21. samurai_sarah

    Snog, Marry, Avoid (UK)

    For those not in the know, it's a "make-under" show. Basically, they take people "addicted to fakery", literally dress them down and provide "natural" make-up. I used to be a fan, but beyond the first season, I started being conflicted. Basically, I like the idea of showing people that they do look good without make-up. Make-up is practically non-existent in my life, and I enjoy the idea of other people not caring either. But that's where my problem with this show starts. Granted that on camera you look odd without make-up, but they only show men and women how to put on more natural make-up. It plays into the segment they have, in which the Great British public decides whether they'd "snog, marry, avoid" that person "before" and "after". That rubs me completely the wrong way. Usually participants get a major "avoid" in their chosen looks, and get "snog" or "marry" in their new "natural" looks. Public shaming for expressing oneself however one chooses, really pisses me off. I personally don't think purple hair is all that attractive, but if that's your deal, you sure as hell don't need my approval. In my books that's just policing other people's bodies, and I'm not cool with that. As I said, I'm a conflicted about this show, because yes, I'm a big fan of going au naturel. But no, I would never tell anyone else what to wear. And no, why the hell does the "public" get to decide what's best for other people in terms of their attractiveness? Not to mention that it usually reinforces gender-roles, in terms of attire. I still do like watching though. But in any case...thoughts?
  22. [link=http://www.cracked.com/article_19780_5-gender-stereotypes-that-used-to-be-exact-opposite.html]5 Gender Stereotypes That Used To Be the Exact Opposite[/link] Cracked got linked for that article with the Pearls, so I thought I'd post this here. It's not specifically about fundies but it shows how some of the "natural gender laws" they drivel on about are in fact very recent.
  23. The 4 eldest daughters sat out at space camp, on the nature hike, and a few other activities. What gives? Isn't their big thing to do activities as a family?
  24. Jim Bob said in the 'dating' episode that there were a lot of Godly women vs fewer Godly men.... and then encouraged JD to hold a seminar on men being Godly. Why do you supposed there are more Godly women than men? Is it because some Gothard men actually wake up someday and realize they want a partner not a child like wife? Is it because some Gothard men want a sexy wife rather than a frump? Or is that most 20-30 year old men need to work for a living and cant be attending 1400 ATI conferences watching adult women act like 20 year old nannies? What is causing the imbalance in the numbers?
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