Joseph Duggar starts College

[Themiscyran]

Absolutely. Besides, a homeschooler (or even the graduate of a Christian school or an ordinary Bible Belt high school) may have a rather limited reading of, say, The Scarlet Letter , But if they have read it, you can build on that and introduce them to new ways of seeing the story and the characters. Then there is the possibility of expanding horizons, as you say. The canon is ever expanding.

:dance:

Ramen! :dance:

And tbh, in some cases, I've had homeshooled students actually read the WHOLE thing vs. not-hs read only excerpts from, say, Dickens.

(Again, this was in AR.)

I guess it really goes back to just exposing them to reading and to at least some of the basics of analysis. I should also say that I've had students not prepared who really bloomed when they got the chance! So, there's hope even for the more repressed--the odds are tougher, but it is def possible!

[FloraDoraDolly]

I'm willing to bet my left kidney that, no, they've probably never heard of, let alone read, the Inklings.

On the hand, yes, Joseph gets to leave the house, but how much is he really gaining at that school? He gets to potentially interact with more non-related, fundie-lite people, but it's still a side-huggin, skirt-wearin, fundieland experience. He gets to be away from the circus, which I'm sure he's appreciating right about now but it doesn't seem like he really gets to expand his universe beyond the one he lived in at home. :shrug:

He gets away from Jim Bob.

He gets away from Michelle.

He gets away from that dorm room full of howlers.

Whatever they teach at Crown College, at least it is aimed at young adults. Joseph might be able to read an actual book without being dragged off to a petting zoo with a bunch of little kids. He can hang out with people his own age without everybody's younger brothers and sisters tagging along. Imagine if you had to spend your entire childhood in an environment where almost nothing goes above a 3rd grade level, and then all of a sudden you're in college. You get to use brain cells that you might not have known were alive and well inside your head.

[CallmeChaCha]

He gets away from Jim Bob.

He gets away from Michelle.

He gets away from that dorm room full of howlers.

Whatever they teach at Crown College, at least it is aimed at young adults. Joseph might be able to read an actual book without being dragged off to a petting zoo with a bunch of little kids. He can hang out with people his own age without everybody's younger brothers and sisters tagging along. Imagine if you had to spend your entire childhood in an environment where almost nothing goes above a 3rd grade level, and then all of a sudden you're in college. You get to use brain cells that you might not have known were alive and well inside your head.

I hadn't thought of it that way, I was thinking more about all the restrictions at the college and all the restrictions at home. I'm sure, though, he enjoys being around people his age.

[Cleopatra7]

I hadn't thought of it that way, I was thinking more about all the restrictions at the college and all the restrictions at home. I'm sure, though, he enjoys being around people his age.

I would question whether Crown is really geared for a young adult audience, given that its academics are so weak and it has more rules and regulations than your average elementary school. These fundie "bible colleges" encourage students to snitch on each other under the guise of "accountability" and discourage males and females from even the most casual contact, so I question how Joseph could form any real friendships in such a repressive atmosphere. If anything, he's probably subject to more rules and supervision at Crown than the TTH, where JB and Michelle checked out of parenting a long time ago. Then again, the Duggars assume that all the kids are tattling and snitching on each other too, so maybe it's just more of the same. :shifty-kitty:

[IReallyAmHopewell]

I would question whether Crown is really geared for a young adult audience, given that its academics are so weak and it has more rules and regulations than your average elementary school. These fundie "bible colleges" encourage students to snitch on each other under the guise of "accountability" and discourage males and females from even the most casual contact, so I question how Joseph could form any real friendships in such a repressive atmosphere. If anything, he's probably subject to more rules and supervision at Crown than the TTH, where JB and Michelle checked out of parenting a long time ago. Then again, the Duggars assume that all the kids are tattling and snitching on each other too, so maybe it's just more of the same. :shifty-kitty:

Just like in any oppressive totalitarian society I'm sure the students at Crown have their "ways" of letting the opposite sex know they are interested and their own ways of communicating. I'd be willing to bet there have been expulsions or super-fast weddings for pregnancy too. Remember, a lot of these kids are there because its what the folks will pay for--not because they desperately want to go there. I would bet, too, that there are sibling groups and that helps get messages to the "other gender." Then there's prayer gossip of this sort: "Lord please help John Doe...." (says interested girl) "I was so sad to see his countenance was downcast today..." or "Be with John Doe, I wouldn't want him to stumble and it seems [girl from other dorm room] might not have worn her shade shirt and he might have seen a peek at her upper neck..." thereby signaling that John Doe is HERS and other bitch better'd back off!

[HereticHick]

I wonder if the Crownies (yes, that is what they call themselves) get to sit with the opposite sex in daily Chapel?

Can they touch fingertips while sharing a hymnal??

Scandal!

[JMarie]

catalog.crown.edu/content.php?catoid=13&navoid=361

Quote: Pregnancy Policy

Scripture urges believers to seek wise and godly counsel when faced with significant or difficult life choices. Therefore, should a Crown College student become pregnant while unmarried, she is encouraged to communicate with Residence Life staff, Counseling Services, and/or Health Services. The College wants to assist those involved in an unplanned pregnancy while at Crown to consider the options available to them within the Christian moral framework. These include marriage of the parents, single parenthood, or offering the child for adoption.

Quote: Sexuality

Crown College strives to enhance and strengthen a biblical sexual identity for its students. The College does not tolerate involvement in, participation in, or promotion of sexually immoral behavior such as premarital sex, cohabitation, adultery, homosexual behavior, or the use or display of pornographic, obscene, or suggestive materials of any kind (including materials found on the Internet).

So students can't have premarital sex but can still become pregnant???

[Dandruff]

So students can't have premarital sex but can still become pregnant???

Pregnant with demerits, calls to parents, fire, and brimstone.

[Hera]

So if you get pregnant, you get kicked out of school, forced to get married or have a baby out of wedlock, which ruins your reputation in the community, and the school tattles to your parents. These people really don't see how this encourages abortion? (I'm pro-choice, just remarking at how the unintended consequence of their policies - because the intended consequence, of course, is No Secks- are antithetical to their stated beliefs.)

[HerNameIsBuffy]

suggestive materials of any kind (including materials found on the Internet).

I'm not a biblical scholar, having studied none of it ever, but isn't it suggestive in parts? I'm sure I've seen on TV that there are passages in the bible some would consider NSFW if filmed, right? I would so use this as my loophole to get out of bible study.

So students can't have premarital sex but can still become pregnant???

Rumor has it that this happened to some chick named Mary back in the day. Some people dismiss it as folklore and idle gossip, but people still talk about it. :)

Edited for riffles

[EmCatlyn]

And tbh, in some cases, I've had homeshooled students actually read the WHOLE thing vs. not-hs read only excerpts from, say, Dickens.

(Again, this was in AR.)

I guess it really goes back to just exposing them to reading and to at least some of the basics of analysis. I should also say that I've had students not prepared who really bloomed when they got the chance! So, there's hope even for the more repressed--the odds are tougher, but it is def possible!

A lot of Christian homeschoolers are well prepared in the sense that they have done a fair amount of reading and may even enjoy "the classics." The problem with repression does skew their ability to think, but as you say, a lot of them can really blossom.

But blossoming is hardest for the underprepared kids, not all of whom come from the Sotdrt. It can take a lot of work to catch up.

I am really appalled te hear about the Duggar's homeschooling. Such a waste of potential.

[toosweet]

When I stated to friends that I wanted my twin daughters to go to a public college instead of a tiny private 'Christian' college (we are Southern Baptist Christians but not at all extreme) one stated that they might have a professor that taught evolution. I said "And...?" "That is a theory and my daughters can choose to believe it or not but that won't define who they are or who they become. (BTW they had a high school anatomy teacher who told the kids they came from stardust and my girls thought he was nuts) I want them to experience different thought processes." We raised our children with the morals and values we deemed important (honesty, integrity, great work ethic, kindness to EVERYONE, and tolerance). We live in the Heart of Dixie/Bible Belt but wear bikinis, enjoy a stiff drink, curse too much, and enjoy life. College should be an extension of that....a chance for my girls to figure out who they are and what they believe to be important. To have an open mind. Period.

I doubt Michelle and I would be friends...I'd be a bad mom in her eyes. I'm also a public school teacher with three college degrees. Really bad mom.

[nastyhobbitses]

When I stated to friends that I wanted my twin daughters to go to a public college instead of a tiny private 'Christian' college (we are Southern Baptist Christians but not at all extreme) one stated that they might have a professor that taught evolution. I said "And...?" "That is a theory and my daughters can choose to believe it or not but that won't define who they are or who they become. (BTW they had a high school anatomy teacher who told the kids they came from stardust and my girls thought he was nuts) I want them to experience different thought processes." We raised our children with the morals and values we deemed important (honesty, integrity, great work ethic, kindness to EVERYONE, and tolerance). We live in the Heart of Dixie/Bible Belt but wear bikinis, enjoy a stiff drink, curse too much, and enjoy life. College should be an extension of that....a chance for my girls to figure out who they are and what they believe to be important. To have an open mind. Period.

I doubt Michelle and I would be friends...I'd be a bad mom in her eyes. I'm also a public school teacher with three college degrees. Really bad mom.

The stardust thing is from Carl Sagan and it's sort of a way to simply explain the fact that all the particles and elements that make up life on earth originally came from stars billions and billions of years ago. So by way of several billions of years, we (and everything on earth) are made from stardust. It sounds ridiculous, but the idea behind it is pretty sound. It's just put into major layman's terms and made to sound more cutesy and inspiring.

But good on you for raising open-minded kids. Unless you want to go be a monk or a nun (and if you do, more power to you), true faith can coexist with "worldly" things and bend or accommodate, but never break.

[HarleyQuinn]

Quote: Sexuality

Crown College strives to enhance and strengthen a biblical sexual identity for its students. The College does not tolerate involvement in, participation in, or promotion of sexually immoral behavior such as premarital sex, cohabitation, adultery, homosexual behavior, or the use or display of pornographic, obscene, or suggestive materials of any kind (including materials found on the Internet).

OMG I couldn't imagine going to a university who had rules on what I did with my sex life. That's so awful.

[Toothfairy]

You know these christian colleges with these strict rules usually have kids fucking under the table. It sounds like baby sitting instead of college. Sex isn't the worst thing you will do. These ridiculous rules are for children not grown adults. Heck even children don't gave these ridiculous rules.

[nastyhobbitses]

You know these christian colleges with these strict rules usually have kids fucking under the table. It sounds like baby sitting instead of college. Sex isn't the worst thing you will do. These ridiculous rules are for children not grown adults. Heck even children don't gave these ridiculous rules.

I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if the broom closets and wooded areas at Crown College were filled with fumbling 19-year-olds slobbering all over each other. My religious summer camp (Jewish, and very hippie liberal Jewish) had some fairly lax rules about limiting boy-girl contact among older campers and counselors (not friendship or relatively chaste romance, but no having sex and no PDA beyond hand holding, especially in front of younger campers), and if you walked behind any slightly more remote cabin or into any more secluded area, you'd find two counselors going to town.

[ChestHugger]

You know these christian colleges with these strict rules usually have kids fucking under the table. It sounds like baby sitting instead of college. Sex isn't the worst thing you will do. These ridiculous rules are for children not grown adults. Heck even children don't gave these ridiculous rules.

I went to the heathen college in the same city as Liberty. You are 100% correct. Some would get away from campus and do all sorts of crazy things at my school.

[Sunshine1491]

There is a proper time and a place for everything...and it's called college! :D

I hope Joseph figures that out.

[Four is Enough]

You know these christian colleges with these strict rules usually have kids fucking under the table. It sounds like baby sitting instead of college. Sex isn't the worst thing you will do. These ridiculous rules are for children not grown adults. Heck even children don't gave these ridiculous rules.

High school friend of mine got pregnant on the choir loft of our Catholic Church.. It happens. :wink-kitty:

[nokidsmom]

OMG I couldn't imagine going to a university who had rules on what I did with my sex life. That's so awful.

The college I went to had similar rules. However, it didn't stop people. I lived off campus anyway so didn't really care about it. My boyfriend who lived on campus found that there was an advantage to having a commuter student as a girlfriend. ;)

[VelociRapture]

Edited for riffles

1. The one part of the Bible that always pops into my head when talking about suggestive material is "The Song of Solomon." Apparently there is a good amount of material in there that is. . . shall I say. . . Biblically raunchy. :lol:

2. I heard about that too! Apparently, this girl said an angel visited her and stated that God was going to knock her up. And then she had a baby who could walk on water - which made bath-time impossible. :D

[Sunshine1491]

1. The one part of the Bible that always pops into my head when talking about suggestive material is "The Song of Solomon." Apparently there is a good amount of material in there that is. . . shall I say. . . Biblically raunchy. :lol:

2. I heard about that too! Apparently, this girl said an angel visited her and stated that God was going to knock her up. And then she had a baby who could walk on water - which made bath-time impossible. :D

I heard about that kid! Wasn't he the homebrew guru who could turn any kind of juice into high-quality alcohol? Too bad he predated TLC, they might want to do an episode. 'Nezareth Brewing.'

*edited because I'm a idjit and commented inside someone else's quote.

*edited again to point out I'm holding out for hand sex on my 69th post! :cracking-up:

[GreenTea]

Hi,

I've read through all the pages. What is Joseph studying at college? I know that the options at The Crown College are very, very limited. Does he have a major or is he just taking a few classes?

Is he staying in a dorm on campus? I read that their friends the Bates family doesn't live far from the college. Is he staying with them?

It would be great if Jinger took some college classes. Even a local community college near her hometown would be better then nothing. It would allow her to get out, learn something new, meet some people her age not thinking about marriage/having babies, and maybe seeing some different views. Jinger seems so sad now in interviews. Like she is apologizing for her outgoing personality.

[MatthewDuggar]

Oldish article, but some good insights into some of the crap that goes on at Fundamentalist Christian Colleges:

cracked.com/personal-experiences-1688-5-awful-realities-fundamentalist-christian-college.html

[MatthewDuggar]

Thanks to ClaraOswin on another thread, Joseph was seen applying for a job at Chik Filet:

https://instagram.com/p/7-2SIog4nM/?taken-by=freejinger