Josh Duggar Has a New Job?

[socalrules]

I really don't understand the idea of using Josh to appeal to young people. He might be young by the calendar, but his family life, behavior, and views are like that of your crotchety uncle you avoid at family reunions.

I think Josh only appeals to the young people who are already from crazy fundy families. Young people from regular families are not going to be attracted to Josh. They are too busy going to school, working real jobs and spending time with their diverse culture of friends and family. How can he convince them to leave everything the know behind and basically give up most of their beliefs and, likely friends and family that think and live differently? Just to be superficial, Josh is nowhere near hot enough to use his looks to convince young stupid girls that the fundy lifestyle is for them. Josh has no ability to appeal to anyone else to bring them into the fold from the outside. All he can do is preach to the choir, which is not going to increase their numbers. Besides, if you don't watch the show, you would have no idea who he is or anything about his family except that they have way too many kids.

I am now starting to think that the Duggar family had something on someone high up in the FRC, otherwise, why would Josh be chosen for a job. It is painful listening to him try and explain his position on anything. I am not sure he could give a coherent, slightly intelligent answer as to why he like pickles, so I don't know how he can give a rational political explanation for anything. He can't be sent out to be interviewed by real journalists because if there is someone else on a panel with opposing views Josh will be eaten alive. He isn't charming or smooth enough to work a crowd at an event or smooze big donors and convince them to give more money. No way can Josh be a speech writer or analyst, so I just don't see what he could actually do to help his hate organization.

[CallmeChaCha]

At first I thought maybe he would do something with his social media - tweet up a storm, instagram everything - but from seeing that disclaimer on his Twitter account, it seems that's not what he's doing, at least not for FRC. Then I thought maybe he'll be giving speeches. Not written by him, obviously, but from what others have posted, he sounded like crap on the radio, like maybe he wasn't sure what he was saying. I didn't listen and don't think I want to.

He doesn't have the looks, he doesn't have the notoriety, I'm not even sure he's TMZ-worthy on a slow day. Is FRC really that naive to think that Josh can bring masses to support them and their causes? That sounds more plausible. I'm sure he'll get some training on public speaking and how to repeat the same answer 30 different ways so it sounds like he's saying something else instead of the same thing 30 times over. I wonder: if he was hired for his "experience" in schmoozing, were previous schmoozees allowing him to do said schmoozing because they felt sorry for him or wanted to use him? As in "aw, look, how cute/sad, this guy wants to hang out with us. invite him over so we can make him do our dirty work/make fun of him/find out what the fuck's wrong with his family..."

[CruitLvr]

He can't be sent out to be interviewed by real journalists because if there is someone else on a panel with opposing views Josh will be eaten alive.

Not to get off-topic, but why has no journalist ever asked any Duggar a hard question? I have yet to grasp what makes them less susceptible to scrutiny than other reality stars.

How would Josh handle being in a panel with people who have opposing views? I think FRC will avoid this at all costs. If he does have to face real journalists, he'll be majorly coached beforehand.

[Evilbad]

You guys are assuming that they will hang out with people who are different, but they won't. They will find a group of people just like them, and continue to keep their close minded beliefs and never step outside of their comfort zone. For christs sake, the older duggar girls went to Chicago and had a local family escort them around because they were just girls, after all. And the association he's going to work for? Please. They'll stay in their little box and that will be that, lol.

[Handmaiden of Dog]

Not to get off-topic, but why has no journalist ever asked any Duggar a hard question?

Real journalists are a scarce commodity in America. True journalists wouldn't waste their time with a reality show character (I can't bring myself to call him a celebrity) and somebody asking hard questions is going to find it impossible to get face time with any of the Duggars. That's why I am hoping for a documentary about Gothardism because all it takes is someone getting interested in exposing this cult and then getting the funding.

As to Josh's assets. I agree that he is neither charismatic nor well-spoken so I'm at a loss as to how he can be exploited. Short of announcing him by name and then parading him around like a stuffed animal, I can't picture Josh succeeding in any public arena.

[lilwriter85]

I think Josh only appeals to the young people who are already from crazy fundy families Young people from regular families are not going to be attracted to Josh. They are too busy going to school, working real jobs and spending time with their diverse culture of friends and family. How can he convince them to leave everything the know behind and basically give up most of their beliefs and, likely friends and family that think and live differently? Just to be superficial, Josh is nowhere near hot enough to use his looks to convince young stupid girls that the fundy lifestyle is for them. Josh has no ability to appeal to anyone else to bring them into the fold from the outside. All he can do is preach to the choir, which is not going to increase their numbers. Besides, if you don't watch the show, you would have no idea who he is or anything about his family except that they have way too many kids.

I am now starting to think that the Duggar family had something on someone high up in the FRC, otherwise, why would Josh be chosen for a job. It is painful listening to him try and explain his position on anything. I am not sure he could give a coherent, slightly intelligent answer as to why he like pickles, so I don't know how he can give a rational political explanation for anything. He can't be sent out to be interviewed by real journalists because if there is someone else on a panel with opposing views Josh will be eaten alive. He isn't charming or smooth enough to work a crowd at an event or smooze big donors and convince them to give more money. No way can Josh be a speech writer or analyst, so I just don't see what he could actually do to help his hate organization.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote. Josh can only appeal to the already crazy fundies. The people who associate with FRC are already fundie. I can't see Josh appealing to young people who are less conservative. I think if Josh had to visit Young Republican groups on different college campuses, he would have hard time to talking to people in those groups. I agree with you on Josh's looks. I think Josh looked better when he was younger. Since he has lost some weight, he looks more his age. But there is something about Josh that isn't attractive.

[lilah]

Let me know if you spot them, and I'll be right over. I agree with Ashburn or Leesburg, if they can afford it. Otherwise maybe Manassas.

watching them househunt million dollar homes in dc makes me think they don't have a clue about where to look.

I wonder if there will be pressure from the producers to emphasize the country mice in a big city angle by having them live in an apartment in dc

[copyed]

Coincidentally, I have dinner reservations tomorrow night at a new restaurant (NoPa) that's just down the block from the offices of the FRC.

I made the reservation about two months ago, so it's not like I'm deliberately Smuggar-stalking, but I have to admit the idea of seeing him out on the town is compelling in a creepy way. I wonder if he is actually any good at schmoozing or just compensates for what he lacks by taking lots of selfies with people he meets?

[GeoBQn]

Real journalists are a scarce commodity in America. True journalists wouldn't waste their time with a reality show character (I can't bring myself to call him a celebrity) and somebody asking hard questions is going to find it impossible to get face time with any of the Duggars. That's why I am hoping for a documentary about Gothardism because all it takes is someone getting interested in exposing this cult and then getting the funding.

As to Josh's assets. I agree that he is neither charismatic nor well-spoken so I'm at a loss as to how he can be exploited. Short of announcing him by name and then parading him around like a stuffed animal, I can't picture Josh succeeding in any public arena.

JimBob only allows the family to participate in interviews where he can approve all the questions beforehand. By this time, they have all their answers memorized, and asking them anything different would probably produce a non-sensical response. There was a Christian conference where Michelle was on a panel and someone in the audience asked for her views on infertility treatments. She went on a long rant against abortion. When the moderator pointed out that she hadn't actually answered the woman's question (which was about infertility treatments, not abortion), Michelle backpedaled and said something like, "Oh. Um, I've never needed them, so, I don't know . . ."

[ILoveJellybeans]

Is that because if he didnt, someone might ask one of his kids something like "What do you really think about having to be a buddy for your little sister" or "Do you want to go to college?" and they might give the "wrong" answer on live TV and then they would have to quickly think of a lie to shut down the kid's thoughts and make them still look like they love being a fundie.

[slickcat79]

Equal parts :head-desk: and

I would pay any amount of money to hear this turd recite the Constitution. Also, Josh dear - you might wanna read the first amendment. A first year law student could rip him to shreds. Ohh, please set him up for a debate.

I'd be impressed (not really) if he actually knew the difference between the constitution and the declaration of independence :roll:

http://freejinger.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 20#p172719

[Renting with Raggles]

I think Josh only appeals to the young people who are already from crazy fundy families. Young people from regular families are not going to be attracted to Josh. They are too busy going to school, working real jobs and spending time with their diverse culture of friends and family. How can he convince them to leave everything the know behind and basically give up most of their beliefs and, likely friends and family that think and live differently? Just to be superficial, Josh is nowhere near hot enough to use his looks to convince young stupid girls that the fundy lifestyle is for them. Josh has no ability to appeal to anyone else to bring them into the fold from the outside. All he can do is preach to the choir, which is not going to increase their numbers. Besides, if you don't watch the show, you would have no idea who he is or anything about his family except that they have way too many kids.

It's not superficial at all. Young people want someone they can relate to, but who embodies their aspirations. Working class kids are going to be put off by his entitlements and Crown Prince attitude, which oozes out of his every pore like so much Chick-fil-A grease. University students (even fundie-lite students) will find his profound ignorance repulsive. As everyone else has noted, he lacks charm, looks or even sex appeal. Even with the weight lost, he looks like a dull, middle-aged father of three. Fundy-lite girls can't put his poster up and dream of becoming Mrs Joshua Duggar, Proverbs 31 trophy wife of an FRC "executive", unless Anna meets with an unfortunate accident. He offers no fantasy to fundy-lite boys, who all expect a virgin, kids and a local business of their own, and who will resent the fact that Josh came by these things without any effort on his part. There is nothing exciting about this pasty bastard, and he is not going to persuade any non-fundy under 50 to join the FRC.

The FRC is stupid, but it's something of a catch22 when these "family" organizations try to attract young talent. Not only do they get fifth rate celebs, but their ideology has these rock stars ( if they are men) marry early, diminishing their sex appeal; if female, they never marry, and spinsters are equally unsexy. The Catholic FRC, NOM, has a better looking, better educated young man called Thomas Peters as their flavor of the month, but he is also married. I don't think they've twigged that that kills his appeal to anyone but blue-rinse biddies and the local youth pastor.

[boxerlover24]

You guys are assuming that they will hang out with people who are different, but they won't. They will find a group of people just like them, and continue to keep their close minded beliefs and never step outside of their comfort zone. For christs sake, the older duggar girls went to Chicago and had a local family escort them around because they were just girls, after all. And the association he's going to work for? Please. They'll stay in their little box and that will be that, lol.

If they were in the actual city, thats actually a good idea...

Pretty violent in Chicago- packs of teenage thugs robbing stores and people on MICHIGAN AVE last summer, people getting shot, knocked down EL (the trains in Chicago) station stairs over iphones...

Hell I grew up here and I only go to the city alone if I absolutely need to. You can be in a good area one minute and a sketch area in a matter of blocks.

But, yeah, Josh and Anna will find like minded people and latch on lol

[galekarens1]

First time to post here! I live in Chicago and it's no more violent than any other city. Plenty of people go about their business every day and don't get robbed or mugged. When that sort of thing unfortunately happens, it's news because it doesn't happen so often compared to the millions of people who live and/or work here. The "wildings" that started happening last summer have been cracked down on and Chicago is still a big tourist destination city. Since I live alone I have to go places by myself and have no fear, altho I wouldn't want to go to a higher-crime area alone. But YMMV, I guess. (I believe one place the Duggar girls went by was Willis (formerly Sears) Tower, not considered a high-crime area, so they surely could have walked around there safely without a chaperone, IMHO.)

[boxerlover24]

First time to post here! I live in Chicago and it's no more violent than any other city. Plenty of people go about their business every day and don't get robbed or mugged. When that sort of thing unfortunately happens, it's news because it doesn't happen so often compared to the millions of people who live and/or work here. The "wildings" that started happening last summer have been cracked down on and Chicago is still a big tourist destination city. Since I live alone I have to go places by myself and have no fear, altho I wouldn't want to go to a higher-crime area alone. But YMMV, I guess. (I believe one place the Duggar girls went by was Willis (formerly Sears) Tower, not considered a high-crime area, so they surely could have walked around there safely without a chaperone, IMHO.)

I wasn't saying that anyone who walks alone is going to get shot on the street, I was just pointing out that having someone escort them in Chicago wasn't all that ridiculous. Its a big city with MANY bad areas, they don't know the city, they stick out like sore thumbs, are are much more naieve than most people due to their upbrining.

And yes it while it wasn't any more violent than Detroit or NY, it is a violent city. 40-some odd people got shot last weekend, it is much different than rural Arkansas.

[CruitLvr]

You guys are assuming that they will hang out with people who are different, but they won't. They will find a group of people just like them, and continue to keep their close minded beliefs and never step outside of their comfort zone. For christs sake, the older duggar girls went to Chicago and had a local family escort them around because they were just girls, after all. And the association he's going to work for? Please. They'll stay in their little box and that will be that, lol.

Agreed. Fundies are everywhere, even in DC. I'm sure there's another ATI/Gothard family they already know, and they'll only associate with them. IMO, Josh's Instagrams will now be photos of he and Anna hanging out with "The Whoevers" and having double date nights.

[anjulibai]

Like others, I don't see how Josh will appeal to most in his generation (which is mine, as I'm only about 4 years older than he is).

Most of us are pretty liberal. Even the conservative ones tend to be pretty liberal on social issues - gay marriage has the strongest support among our age group. Polls of evangelical/conservative youth tend to show support for gay marriage, environmentalism, social welfare programs, etc. It may not be the same numbers as their liberal peers or with the same enthusiasm, but it's a sizable portion. The rest of us that are liberal just will be completely turned off by Josh for his social views.

Most in our generation are dealing with debt issues. His debt free superiority, with it being well-known that he's had all sorts of stuff handed to him, will not endear him to those of us that have had to struggle and been forced to take out loans for schooling, homes, cars, etc.

We are super into our pop culture - it pervades much of our lives. Hipsterness is pretty rampant, and being a nerd/geek is the cool thing to be. That means we're into things like video games, super heroes, sci-fi, indie music (or indie inspired music), hip/hop and rap, books, fashion, etc. None of which Josh has any experience with in any significant way. He might have an iPhone and Anna might carry a Coach purse, but that's the extant of their move into mainstream culture. This is going to be especially true for liberals, but also with conservatives, who listen to pop, country and Christian rock music regularly, and wear decidedly unmodest clothing.

We're having kids later in life, and those that have them earlier tend not to be married. The former is more common in liberals, and the later more common in conservatives. His superior attitude over staying "pure" until marriage isn't going to win him a lot of fans, and he's not going to be able to relate to those that aren't young and married with kids since most of us either don't have kids yet or are unmarried.

Josh simply is completely detached from his generation that are not already part of the fundamentalist movement. If you look at most efforts by Christian groups, particularly fundie-lites, today towards youth they really try to go for a pop-culture, trendy vibe (though they don't really pull it off, frankly), and Josh just doesn't have that. If he has any chance of succeeding, he's going to need to embrace a whole other culture. I'm not sure he's capable of even seeing he'll need to do that, let alone want to do it.

[Mela99]

This. He's not going to get the massive youth vote of anyone. Even some of my more conservative counterparts think he's a douchecanoe.

[August]

It's not superficial at all. Young people want someone they can relate to, but who embodies their aspirations. Working class kids are going to be put off by his entitlements and Crown Prince attitude, which oozes out of his every pore like so much Chick-fil-A grease. University students (even fundie-lite students) will find his profound ignorance repulsive. As everyone else has noted, he lacks charm, looks or even sex appeal. Even with the weight lost, he looks like a dull, middle-aged father of three. Fundy-lite girls can't put his poster up and dream of becoming Mrs Joshua Duggar, Proverbs 31 trophy wife of an FRC "executive", unless Anna meets with an unfortunate accident. He offers no fantasy to fundy-lite boys, who all expect a virgin, kids and a local business of their own, and who will resent the fact that Josh came by these things without any effort on his part. There is nothing exciting about this pasty bastard, and he is not going to persuade any non-fundy under 50 to join the FRC.

The FRC is stupid, but it's something of a catch22 when these "family" organizations try to attract young talent. Not only do they get fifth rate celebs, but their ideology has these rock stars ( if they are men) marry early, diminishing their sex appeal; if female, they never marry, and spinsters are equally unsexy. The Catholic FRC, NOM, has a better looking, better educated young man called Thomas Peters as their flavor of the month, but he is also married. I don't think they've twigged that that kills his appeal to anyone but blue-rinse biddies and the local youth pastor.

Only because those evil gays won't let us return to biblical marriage. If we lived as god intended and instructed us to in the bible they could dream of being concubine #14.

[CruitLvr]

We are super into our pop culture - it pervades much of our lives. Hipsterness is pretty rampant, and being a nerd/geek is the cool thing to be. That means we're into things like video games, super heroes, sci-fi, indie music (or indie inspired music), hip/hop and rap, books, fashion, etc. None of which Josh has any experience with in any significant way. He might have an iPhone and Anna might carry a Coach purse, but that's the extant of their move into mainstream culture. This is going to be especially true for liberals, but also with conservatives, who listen to pop, country and Christian rock music regularly, and wear decidedly unmodest clothing.

Exactly. I'm this generation also. Even my conservative friends are well-cultured. They listen to rock music, watch movies, go to concerts, etc. I agree, being "geek" is a big thing now. Sometimes people can even feel left out of conversations if they don't know simple pop culture references. The trendiest thing I've seen from Josh is going to University of Arkansas sporting events, and even that's a stretch.

[JenniferJuniper]

This is the new logo for Josh's employer's latest anti-gay campaign.

I don't think one even needs a gutter mind to see the epic fail here.

Is it too much to hope Josh okayed this hip, happenin' logo as part of his youth outreach campaign?

[bal maiden]

This is the new logo for Josh's employer's latest anti-gay campaign.

I don't think one even needs a gutter mind to see the epic fail here.

Hahahahaha nope! My mind went straight there! If I was better with photoshop I'd totally be creating my own version with a companion figure to the one 'praying'...

[Sola]

Yep, me too. I do have a gutter mind though. I'll award the entire internet if someone could do something with Photoshop.

[Sola]

Looking at that logo more, I'm unsure if the person is about to get a right royal sodomising, or they're on their knees giving a blow job. Maybe both?

[Artemis]

It's not just the guy in a submissive 'receiving' position is it though? It's the whole penis in mouth thing with the rest of the logo. The '2' part? The curve of the two looks like an eye, the rest like an open mouth with a prepuce inserted?

Did no-one there SEE how laughable it is?