The Pilgrim/Hales/Buckinghams

[Witsec7]

But then you'd have to pay $9 a gallon to fuel it! :lol:

I wonder how that compares to winter feed costs for the steed? :lol: It could be cheaper to feed it peppers. :lol:

[gardenvarietycitizen]

Oooh, it's gotta be the Maxwells.

Of course it's them. To which I can only say, welcome to the Internet.

If they're on the Internet, they will be found, and not only from people following links either - any number of search terms will get you there. Read a while, and you'll know what to look for. Looooong before FJ was even a twinkle in anyone's eye, it's how I found this sort of fascinating reading. If you're proud enough of your life to post it on the Internet, don't be surprised you get readers.

[hoipolloi]

Fundie see, fundie do.

Remember Shoshanna Pearl's wedding & her horseback ride? Looks like the trumpet was an add-on for the AK wedding.

nogreaterjoy.org/articles/the-wedding/

[emmiedahl]

Experiencedd, your recap of the evening was fabulous.

What I have learned? Things in Alaska are not more expensive than where I live. But they get huge socialist pay-outs from the government anyway. That Steve really does read here (Hi Steve! Let your wife have a Pepsi, K?).

[Guest Anonymous]

So, I'm curious about what I missed while I was sleeping. :D

Is Denali's family the same one that Sarah and Teri stayed with a couple of years back?

http://www.titus2.com/blog/index.php/20 ... -blessing/

Edit: well that family IS the Buckingham family, Tilaundia or "Lolly" illustrated Sarah's first few Moody books.

Possibly connected with the author of these books, pimped by the Maxwells?

http://www.titus2.com/reading/bob-arty.htm

[terranova]

So, I'm curious about what I missed while I was sleeping. :D

Is Denali's family the same one that Sarah and Teri stayed with a couple of years back?

http://www.titus2.com/blog/index.php/20 ... -blessing/

Edit: well that family IS the Buckingham family, Tilaundia or "Lolly" illustrated Sarah's first few Moody books.

Possibly connected with the author of these books, pimped by the Maxwells?

http://www.titus2.com/reading/bob-arty.htm

Not sure if the author is connected with the Buck/Hales, but his list on Amazon looks interesting http://www.amazon.com/Jeff-Barth/e/B001K7VE5M

including this one: http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Heirs-To ... 609&sr=1-1

[lilith]

So, I'm curious about what I missed while I was sleeping. :D

Is Denali's family the same one that Sarah and Teri stayed with a couple of years back?

http://www.titus2.com/blog/index.php/20 ... -blessing/

Edit: well that family IS the Buckingham family, Tilaundia or "Lolly" illustrated Sarah's first few Moody books.

Possibly connected with the author of these books, pimped by the Maxwells?

http://www.titus2.com/reading/bob-arty.htm

Oh the Maxwells......

Didn't feel that they could offer two volumes of the Bob and Arty books on their website, because.........

One mentions the "tribal people" thinking that there is a monster about.

And.... Be ready to be shocked.......

One book mentions Strange noises upstairs in a tower!!!!

So the Maxwells didn't feel that they could endorse those volumes of the adventures of two flying, home schooled missionary boys.....

[formergothardite]

Okay, it is early in the morning, but I am kind of confused about this whole story. Am I getting it straight?

~Fundie family moves to Alaska.

~Dad is raping older daughter.

~Kids ask him to repent, he doesn't so they report him to the police.

~The mom and kids hook up with another fundie Alaska family who supports them.

~Mom gets tossed out for something and second fundie family gets the kids?

~"neighbor" shows up to tell us how wonderful the family is.

~They are friends with the Maxwells.

[Patsy]

Oh the Maxwells......

Didn't feel that they could offer two volumes of the Bob and Arty books on their website, because.........

One mentions the "tribal people" thinking that there is a monster about.

And.... Be ready to be shocked.......

One book mentions Strange noises upstairs in a tower!!!!

So the Maxwells didn't feel that they could endorse those volumes of the adventures of two flying, home schooled missionary boys.....

Holy shit, thank you, I missed that!

Please note: There are actually two volumes we don't carry. Both books had something in it we objected to and did not feel that part provided wholesome reading. In Volume 2, there was a part that talked about a monster (the tribal people thought there was a monster). Volume 5, The Lighthouse Mystery, talked about strange noises up in the tower. We did not feel comfortable carrying those two books.

[Witsec7]

Okay, it is early in the morning, but I am kind of confused about this whole story. Am I getting it straight?

~Fundie family moves to Alaska.

~Dad is raping older daughter.

~Kids ask him to repent, he doesn't so they report him to the police.

~The mom and kids hook up with another fundie Alaska family who supports them.

~Mom gets tossed out for something and second fundie family gets the kids?

~"neighbor" shows up to tell us how wonderful the family is.

~They are friends with the Maxwells.

Minor corrections Papa Pilgrim and family met and stayed with Papa Buckingham and family. That when the sex abuse was revealed.

You did omit that peppers in AK cost as much as down here in the lower 48. In order to eliminate the sexual abuse the Hales traded one secretive fundy lifestyle for another that does not include sexual abuse but is likely just as repressive. (Evidence to this, everyone swimming with clothes on, sex segregated. ) Bucks and Hales intermarry and all live on the same property. Papa Buckingham is a minister who performs his own kids wedding.

In a moment of lucidity last night I did some peeking around at their real estate. The main house on Goa is now up to 2500+ sq ft, from it's modest beginnings. I couldn't find much on the other two residences on the property since it's likely they use separate addresses for them. There are three or four businesses tied to the address, construction, handyman, farrier and the Rev. Papa Bucks kennel.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

Okay, it is early in the morning, but I am kind of confused about this whole story. Am I getting it straight?

~Fundie family moves to Alaska.

BOTH fundie families moved to Alaska. Neither are actually originally from there, the fathers moved the family to Alaska when they already had some quite older children even. The Buckinghams knew the Maxwells as locals (went to the same church) when they lived in Kansas, stationed there with the Army.

[Witsec7]

More on the Barths here:

http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/2243#.T8ufV47aY4Y

[terranova]

Oh the Maxwells......

Didn't feel that they could offer two volumes of the Bob and Arty books on their website, because.........

One mentions the "tribal people" thinking that there is a monster about.

And.... Be ready to be shocked.......

One book mentions Strange noises upstairs in a tower!!!!

So the Maxwells didn't feel that they could endorse those volumes of the adventures of two flying, home schooled missionary boys.....

Maybe it was these kinds of noises :oops:

[fakepigtails73]

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/The-Darkest-Place.html?page=all

Did I read this right: Hale Sr was a suspect in the mysterious death of his first wife, who happened to be the daughter of former TX Gov. John Connally, the man who was seated in the same limo as the Kennedys when the President was shot in Dallas?

No one re-opened the 1st wife's case when all the abuses came to light? I mean, you'd think "the powers that be" would try to figure out what happened to the daughter of a former governor. Texas politics are a big "good ol' boys network", where on some level party lines don't matter (in fact didn't Connally switched from the Democrats to the Republicans when Reagan was elected? What an opportunist.)

Damn. :evil:

[Elle]

I hate when people release balloons into the air like that. What do they think happens to the latex and ribbon? It just sails off into outer space?

More and more balloons are made of a biodegradable rubber. When I helped source some for a balloon release last year, I was surprised that biodegradable balloons are more common than the ones that won't break down. I also was concerned about balloons deflating and killing animals, and had heard about biodegradable balloons, but I didn't expect them to be so common, and not cost any more.

[terranova]

Did I read this right: Hale Sr was a suspect in the mysterious death of his first wife, who happened to be the daughter of former TX Gov. John Connally, the man who was seated in the same limo as the Kennedys when the President was shot in Dallas?

No one re-opened the 1st wife's case when all the abuses came to light? I mean, you'd think "the powers that be" would try to figure out what happened to the daughter of a former governor. Texas politics are a big "good ol' boys network", where on some level party lines don't matter (in fact didn't Connally switched from the Democrats to the Republicans when Reagan was elected? What an opportunist.)

Damn. :evil:

It might have had something to do with the fact that Hale's father was an FBI agent? I don't know how powerful he was but that's what it smacked of to me. It also reminded me of the Beasley case.

[Elle]

Did I read this right: Hale Sr was a suspect in the mysterious death of his first wife, who happened to be the daughter of former TX Gov. John Connally, the man who was seated in the same limo as the Kennedys when the President was shot in Dallas?

No one re-opened the 1st wife's case when all the abuses came to light? I mean, you'd think "the powers that be" would try to figure out what happened to the daughter of a former governor. Texas politics are a big "good ol' boys network", where on some level party lines don't matter (in fact didn't Connally switched from the Democrats to the Republicans when Reagan was elected? What an opportunist.)

Damn. :evil:

You read right. Hale claimed she shot herself, and claimed it was an accidental shooting when he tried to get the gun from her. Her fingerprints weren't on the gun (he didn't even put her hands on it after killing her), AND the gunshot was to the back of her head behind her right ear. Hale was never even arrested when his pregnant teenage bride turned up dead with a gunshot would to the back of her head from a gun she hadn't touched days after she'd stayed with the landlady out of fear from his temper.

(I spent far longer than I should have yesterday afternoon and last night reading everything I could about Robert Hale, from his childhood clear through to his death, and what I could find about his family and their life with the Buckinghams. I still have a hard time thinking too harshly of a family that very likely saved the lives of the Hale kids, even though they are fundies who hold beliefs I can't stand. It's just that a lot of fundies wouldn't do a damned thing to actually help, especially to help so many people and to encourage turning in a FATHER who was abusing his daughter, wife, and other kids, something generally not only tolerated, but encouraged.)

[fakepigtails73]

He was active duty when he moved them to AK.

I read (was it in the Nation??) a couple of yrs back that the US military branch most popular with x-tian fundies is the Air Force. Wasn't there a lawsuit re: proselitization of atheist recruits at the Air Force academy in CO??

[luckylibrarian]

I'm really surprised that Steve would allow his children to associate with Hales, because of the physical and sexual abuse they experienced. Wouldn't Steve think they are tainted by their father's sins? Maybe it's okay since they are Buckinghams now.

Something about all of these families - the Hales, Buckinghams, and Maxwells - gives me the creeps. Taking out the physical and sexual abuse in the Hale family, I don't see much of a difference between the three families. They are all built around idolizing and pleasing an extreme patriarch who demands isolation and obedience.

[Witsec7]

I'm really surprised that Steve would allow his children to associate with Hales, because of the physical and sexual abuse they experienced. Wouldn't Steve think they are tainted by their father's sins? Maybe it's okay since they are Buckinghams now.

Something about all of these families - the Hales, Buckinghams, and Maxwells - gives me the creeps. Taking out the physical and sexual abuse in the Hale family, I don't see much of a difference between the three families. They are all built around idolizing and pleasing an extreme patriarch who demands isolation and obedience.

This issue has been raised on the thread and it is my posit as well. Once we remove the extreme physical abuse, and the sexual abuse, we still have a family locked into an isolationist, fundamentalist patriarchy. As I said last night, I think the whole trip to the hot springs in the middle of the night in street clothes, for segregated enjoyment is a special bit of cray cray that speaks to PaPa Bucks overwhelming issues of control.

When fundies like Denali come here, admit to reading and don't address some of these core issues I suspect they are merely attention whoring. FJ isn't here to address a scripted and organized 60 Minutes type interview with them. They already are aware of the concerns many of us have expressed on this thread. Sometimes I think VF, and the Maxwells et al issue merit badges to those who have come to the abortion party known as FJ.

[terranova]

I gotta say experiencedd, I got a bit of a shock just now to see your bacon boobies pop up on my fb feed!

[Witsec7]

I gotta say experiencedd, I got a bit of a shock just now to see your bacon boobies pop up on my fb feed!

Here there everywhere, ya never know where or when they will make an appearance.

[terranova]

Here there everywhere, ya never know where or when they will make an appearance.

Although it does make me kind of want to steal it and wrap it around some oysters. The bra that is, not the boobies :p

[Maude]

They popped up on my FB page too. :lol:

[desertvixen]

I still have a hard time thinking too harshly of a family that very likely saved the lives of the Hale kids, even though they are fundies who hold beliefs I can't stand. It's just that a lot of fundies wouldn't do a damned thing to actually help, especially to help so many people and to encourage turning in a FATHER who was abusing his daughter, wife, and other kids, something generally not only tolerated, but encouraged.)

At least they did something - I'll grant them credit for that. However, I wonder how much different things would be for the kids if they'd been taken into the family court system - maybe better.