(CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 47: Serial SM Commenter Anna Silent on Family Posts Lately. I Wonder Why?

[Cam]

52 minutes ago, Antimony said:

Added Thought: Were I JB, I'd start being paranoid about God himself because it seems to me that every scandal Josh gets caught in is just pure bad luck for him. A data leak from Ashley Madison? It's not super likely. That isn't something you could guard against. An improper filing error leads to InTouch getting a police report that should have been sealed? What are the chances? The shit he downloads gets flagged by the government? He's not very good at hiding but even things that should have been hidden (credit card use at AM, police reports) he's got a bad string of luck with. 

Wow. In the back of my mind I was vaguely aware of these somewhat accidental incidents happening that always turned out to catch Josh’s crimes and misdeeds, but I love how you listed them together to form some kind of karmic pattern.
 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Cam

[QuiverFullOfCondoms]

6 minutes ago, Cam said:

Wow. In the back of my mind I was vaguely aware of these somewhat accidental incidents happening that always turned out to catch Josh’s crimes and misdeeds, but I love how you listed them together to form some kind of karmic pattern.
 

God gave Jim Blob many nudges to put his house in order and do the right thing and he never bothered, so God took matters into a his own hands.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

23 minutes ago, käsekuchen said:

Re: verification: A mod answered this in response to a user asking about how they verified the witness for his AMA a couple of days ago:

 

He would be easy to vet as his name was public record.  It's tying screen names to real people that can be complicated.  

[nelliebelle1197]

5 hours ago, FleeJanaFree said:

The most interesting tidbit so far from the AMA. This guy has been verified by the Mods, by the way, I assume he had to show pictures of his employment contract. 

I don't know what their verification process is over there but the reddit mods have been fooled a few times. I do our verification now and I am pretty tough about it. With something like this, I would get much more than just a contract. I don't think we have had an issue since Raising Ruth was outed with fakers.

[SassyPants]

36 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

I have never heard that before.  Why would a report made while Josh was no longer a juvenile need to be sealed to protect his “juvenile record”?

What I have heard is that if the family had reported things properly and the investigation had happened when Josh was a juvenile, then the whole thing would have been sealed.  

I think the real issue is that material was not supposed to be open to FIA because it was connected to an investigation for CPS on child abuse.  Such material is sealed to protect the victims regardless of the age of the offender.

This has nothing to do with sealing Josh’s juvenile record.

So are you saying that someone other than JB screwed up, if this info was not supposed to be open to FIA? Is this what the girls are suing over? 

[Emma]

Just a thought, here, please don’t blast me.  Josh apparently reached out for help several times, confessing to his dad and Bobye. Maybe he knew something was really wrong with him and he needed help. But he never got the proper help that he needed. Maybe he wanted to get caught because that was the only way he could get the proper help. That could explain the smile in his mugshots. “At last, I’m going to get away from these people and get the help I really need.” 
Just a thought.

[molecule]

3 hours ago, Alisamer said:

If he was close behind him at a stoplight or something, he could probably see what was on the phone. 

This is entirely possible. I was once at a stoplight and could see the phone of the person driving the car in the lane next to me. I couldn't see details, but there was clearly a large naked bosom followed by a view of the crotchal area. 

[EmCatlyn]

4 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

So are you saying that someone other than JB screwed up, if this info was not supposed to be open to FIA? Is this what the girls are suing over? 

Yes.  The girls are suing over their privacy as victims being violated.  The investigation that the police report recorded was to be kept confidential because it involved minor victims.

 

[SassyPants]

1 minute ago, Emma said:

Just a thought, here, please don’t blast me.  Josh apparently reached out for help several times, confessing to his dad and Bobye. Maybe he knew something was really wrong with him and he needed help. But he never got the proper help that he needed. Maybe he wanted to get caught because that was the only way he could get the proper help. That could explain the smile in his mugshots. “At last, I’m going to get away from these people and get the help I really need.” 
Just a thought.

He’s 33 YO. Wouldn’t he have sought help once out the house, and before he started acting out again? Admittedly, I know nada about this subject, but someone earlier mentioned CSA is about power and control. Well, hello JB Duggar genes. Wouldn’t it be difficult for a person with this sort of horrible predilection to have a houseful of tiny children? 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

7 minutes ago, Emma said:

Just a thought, here, please don’t blast me.  Josh apparently reached out for help several times, confessing to his dad and Bobye. Maybe he knew something was really wrong with him and he needed help. But he never got the proper help that he needed. Maybe he wanted to get caught because that was the only way he could get the proper help. That could explain the smile in his mugshots. “At last, I’m going to get away from these people and get the help I really need.” 
Just a thought.

He's been an adult for a long time, he could have sought help on his own at any point without doing what he did.  

[imokit]

Josh had access to child sexual abuse material, adult porn and Ashley Madison.  If he had access to those (which its been proven he did), he could have used those powers to get help and proper counselling if he wanted.  He also could have used got himself a vasectomy on the downlow.

I have some sympathy for teen Josh.  I believe that how he was raised, with sexual repression and power dynamics and misogyny played a role, and shipping him off to labour camp and repeatedly publicly humiliating him wasn't ok.  I also believe that he still knew what he was doing was wrong and I'm not excusing him in way shape or form.  I put 80% of the responsibility for what happened on Josh, but 20% has to go to his parents especially when they let it continue and actively taught him that he was more important then the girls he was assaulting.

But adult Josh.  He knew exactly what he was doing and he had so many opportunities to make different choices.  If he can access porn, he can access counselling.  He could also take responsibility for birth control and not have a load of kids he didn't want.

[EmCatlyn]

Just now, Emma said:

Just a thought, here, please don’t blast me.  Josh apparently reached out for help several times, confessing to his dad and Bobye. Maybe he knew something was really wrong with him and he needed help. But he never got the proper help that he needed. Maybe he wanted to get caught because that was the only way he could get the proper help. That could explain the smile in his mugshots. “At last, I’m going to get away from these people and get the help I really need.” 
Just a thought.

I think Josh’s “resting” face is a smiling face, not because he is happy but because he has a short upper lip and has been trained to “look friendly.”

I do think he was crying for help when he was in his teens. Unfortunately he got punishment on the one hand and attention that validated his sense of specialness on the other hand.  If they had intentionally tried to make things worse, they could not have hit on a better way.

However, his actions as an adult don’t suggest to me that he is crying for help, and I am pretty sure he did not want to get caught.  The impression I get is that Josh gets a rush out of taking risks, doing things that might get him caught is part of the rush.  Every time he got away with something, it confirmed his sense of smugness and superiority.

His parents made a huge mistake in how they handled Josh and his problems.    As I have said before, he might never have been a “nice person” but he might not have become a monster.

[Not that josh's mom]

I agree that as a young teen he was asking for help. No one helped him and he went on to more and more deviant behaviors. Maybe, just maybe, he could have been helped as a 12 to 15 year old. As an adult, its all on him. He had the knowledge and ability to get help and choose not to. 

[Cam]

25 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

However, his actions as an adult don’t suggest to me that he is crying for help, and I am pretty sure he did not want to get caught.  The impression I get is that Josh gets a rush out of taking risks, doing things that might get him caught is part of the rush.  Every time he got away with something, it confirmed his sense of smugness and superiority.

 

This makes great sense. He gets off on viewing CSAM and an additional high from the risk factor or getting caught. Maybe something in his prefrontal cortex isn’t formed properly. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Cam

[onekidanddone]

Is there any indication he kept on with the porn even after they moved into the TTH? It would seem to be impossible to have him under supervision. I’m thinking he kept up his habit up to and after he married and moved out.

The sisters had to live each day with him skulking around all creepy. 

[Fjrocks]

    So I read the AMA and the guy comes across as likeable, I will give him that.   I don't entirely buy it though.

.    He said he went back to work a wedding after the summer of 2015, that would have been Amy's wedding correct?  I thought TLC pulled out of Amy's wedding special because of the first scandal?? so why would they pay for security? I could see a Duggar wedding being filmed needing security but not Amy's and why would that be on TLC's tab?

I also thought the Duggars didn't even stay that long at Amy's wedding because of dancing/drinking.   Was Josh at Amy's wedding?? 

ETA:  Looked it up, the articles say Josh wasn't there because it was after Ashley Madison had broke so he was in Jesus jail.  Duh

 If the first scandal caused such a media storm and the family needed security, why would security leave at the end of the summer after the pressure got even worse??

Here is what he says in the AMA. 

 

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[SassyPants]

41 minutes ago, Not that josh's mom said:

I agree that as a young teen he was asking for help. No one helped him and he went on to more and more deviant behaviors. Maybe, just maybe, he could have been helped as a 12 to 15 year old. As an adult, its all on him. He had the knowledge and ability to get help and choose not to. 

IMO, once he reached out for help as a teen and got slapped upside the head by JB’s controlling behaviors, JJD was done with asking for help. Unfortunately, it seems JJD, the man, is as big a controlling asshole as his father, and now a convicted criminal. 

[Dandruff]

53 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

The impression I get is that Josh gets a rush out of taking risks, doing things that might get him caught is part of the rush. Every time he got away with something, it confirmed his sense of smugness and superiority.

Unfortunately, Josh is no superhero.  If he was, he might have been able to pull it off (no pun intended). 

He reminds me very much of Wile E. Coyote.

[Daisy]

I have sympathy for teen Josh, and nothing but disgust for adult Josh.  He asked for help and his parents couldn’t have handled it worse if they tried.  If you want to make sure your child doesn’t come to you with a problem again,  subject them to humiliation, isolation, and physical labor as punishment, and be sure to skip any kind of reputable counseling while you are at it. At some point, though, you need to take responsibility for your own actions, and that time was way before he was downloading CSAM. He knew what he was doing was very wrong. He knew he wasn’t the type of guy who should have a big family with lots of little kids around. He didn’t do anything about it until he got caught. 

[Fjrocks]

     Josh was living in Washington DC when the molestation scandal broke,  I googled when he left DC and the Daily Mail (I know, I know) says the moving trucks were at his house in Washington DC, June 9th.   That would have been a few days after the Megyn Kelly interview aired and it was probably filmed a few days before that.

   So now I am more confused about where Josh was in late May/early June and how it fits into this AMA timeline saying he met and guarded Josh right away.  Josh would have had to packed/moved and gone back and forth to DC it would seem?

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[imokit]

If I remember rightly he was in DC when the molestation scandal happened.  He fled back to the TTH within days, there are some really sad papparazi airport picks of him and Anna with their young Ms (the Ms looks petrified, because sad parents and yelling paparazzi).

I think the moving likely happened remotely (ie when he was in Arkansas, people moved for him). I don't think he went back to DC after the initial shameful flee.  He was permanently back in Arkansas and hiding from paps when Ashley Madison happened within 2 months.

[nelliebelle1197]

Teen Josh was pathetic and needed help. The help he got hurt him more than anything. It is incredibly sad that this was the result of the Mother of the Year’s parenting.

[EmCatlyn]

47 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Is there any indication he kept on with the porn even after they moved into the TTH? It would seem to be impossible to have him under supervision. I’m thinking he kept up his habit up to and after he married and moved out.

The sisters had to live each day with him skulking around all creepy. 

I don’t doubt that he watched porn after they moved into the TTH. There is no report that he did, but why wouldn’t he, if he could get away with it?  He did not have a smart phone and any viewing he did had to have been on one of the desktop computers, but he was the computer wiz of the family, responsible for their technology.

His viewing porn seems perfectly within the range of normal behavior for teens, so if he did, big deal.  The problem is that in that family, the porn viewing is seen as equal to molesting your sisters.🙄

It appears that after the move to the TTH the situation was easier for the girls.  The boys’ room was a good distance away from the girls’ room, there were enough bathrooms, and in general the environment seems to have made them feel safer. (In the police report, the only one of the girls who wasn’t sure she felt safe was Jinger.)

I think the girls mostly adjusted to having this brother they didn’t much trust in their mist.  And then Josh was married off a couple of years later.

[Bad Wolf]

There was something about a lock on the girls' door. It was never clear whether the door was locked from the inside or the outside.

[EmCatlyn]

Not exactly exciting news, but a Redditor reports that the shack that served as an office in Josh’s car lot has just been removed.

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